General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[KonyaruIchi]

Barrel's full

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Why Am I doing this to myself ? xD

Because you're a masochist

 

[Logiko]

Okay, maybe he will try to encourage her, or try to solve her problem, and then let her decide whether she wants to join him or not, but he won't force her to join him

What did he do for Chopper saying the same depreciating stuff ?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

What did he do for Chopper saying the same depreciating stuff ?

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[Logiko]

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[meho_meho]

What did he do for Chopper saying the same depreciating stuff ?

He encouraged him to join, but for those who are ruling their countries Luffy lets them decide whether they want to join him or just stay in their country and manages it

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

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[Logiko]

He encourage him to join, but for those who are ruling their countries Luffy lets them decide whether they want to join him or just stay in their country and manages it

No. What Luffy does, is going through the self lies of the character. What he would say to Carrot to Carrot in such a situation is "Get on I don't care!!"

 

[Ravagerblade]

Tell me, what does Vivi wanted at the end of Alabasta before doing her speech ?

Again, Apples and Oranges.
Vivi does want to sail but she wants to be there for her Kingdom. So she makes a decision.
Yamato wants to sail but can't, otherwise leaving Wano unprotected and would make Wano a target for Oppression once more.
So it's a waiting game but after that She will join.

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

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[Logiko]

Again, Apples and Oranges.
Vivi does want to sail but she wants to be there for her Kingdom. So she makes a decision.
Yamato wants to sail but can't, otherwise leaving Wano unprotected and would make Wano a target for Oppression once more.
So it's a waiting game but after that She will join.

SO.. are you saying that VIvi is not necessary to her Kingdom ?

 

[Sigran101]

No panel shows that she didn't make this choice freely, this is just your interpretation, in fact the story shows that she made the choice knowing full well the consequences and in FULL FREEDOM. The reality is that Yamato made a simple choice. And in storytelling, a choice that involves so much is the signal of the END of an arc of character, not the beginning. Again, if you deny this choice for Yamato, you also deny it for Vivi as this is the SAME choice.
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Really ?

And this is where you lack evidence. I explained in great detail how the panels show this, and your entire argument is "no it doesn't". You can't just make a claim with no evidence and expect people to listen, especially when, by your own admission, 99% of the forum agrees with my interpretation over yours.

 

[Ravagerblade]

SO.. are you saying that VIvi is not necessary to her Kingdom ?

Do you even listen to yourself. Vivi Is the Princess to her Kingdom.
Yamato isn't. But she's going to protect it since nobody can atm (Oda's dumbass bullshit right here)

 

[meho_meho]

No. What Luffy does, is going through the self lies of the character. What he would say to Carrot to Carrot in such a situation is "Get on I don't care!!"

Why would you think that Carrot is lying on herself ?!, her people really needs her, she's the ruler of the Minks right now. also Luffy never seemed to want Carrot to join

 

[Ravagerblade]

Why would you think that Carrot is lying on herself ?!, her people really needs her, she's the ruler of the Minks right now. also Luffy never seemed to want Carrot to join

Lol right, "An island full of Choppers" who could forget that

 

[Logiko]

All of this means she NEEDS to make her own choice out of freedom.

1 - Yamato's story is not over, Oda ended Wano on her making a choice against her will
2 - Yamato's story is over, Yamato choosed to stay on Wano because she wanted to thus making her own choice in front of her dad and her idole.

Let me ask you one thing:

What is most likely for a storyteller with such a track record like Oda ? That he wrote something negative like option 1 or something positive like option 2 ?

Do you even listen to yourself. Vivi Is the Princess to her Kingdom.
Yamato isn't. But she's going to protect it since nobody can atm (Oda's dumbass bullshit right here)

I ask you again, do you consider Vivi as not necessary to her Kingdom ?

her people really needs her

Really ? What makes you think that in the manga ?

 

[Ravagerblade]

1 - Yamato's story is not over, Oda ended Wano on her making a choice against her will
2 - Yamato's story is over, Yamato choosed to stay on Wano because she wanted to thus making her own choice in front of her dad and her idole.

Let me ask you one thing:

What is most likely for a storyteller with such a track record like Oda ? That he wrote something negative like option 1 or something positive like option 2 ?


I ask you again, do you consider Vivi as not necessary to her Kingdom ?


Really ? What makes you think that in the manga ?

Necessary or not, Vivi made her choice out of her own volition... Yamato's choice is different

 

[Logiko]

Necessary or not, Vivi made her choice out of her own volition... Yamato's choice is different

Answer to me please. Is Vivi necessary or not to her Kingdom?

 

[Ravagerblade]

Answer to me please. Is Vivi necessary or not to her Kingdom?

Why should I answer, you never seem to when we ask. Instead I'll deflect and strawman until you. Are. Dead.

 

[Logiko]

Why should I answer, you never seem to when we ask. Instead I'll deflect and strawman until you. Are. Dead.

You do you, but don't ask me anything now.