Who will be the next SH?


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Gorosei Informer

All of you have horrible takes and have no idea how to analyze One Piece.

The other day I saw someone on here say that Sogeking can't join the crew, because Sogeking is Usopp... LIKE, do you people fucking read the Manga? Do you shit all over the pages or your computer screen and can only see half of the dialogue between your foul feces?

A: Usopp was left behind on Water 7 when they went to Enies Lobby. Like, it's right there. Sogeking was on the train, how can Usopp be in two places at once?

B: Sogeking is from Sniper Island, Usopp is from Syrup village. Even if you wanted to argue that Sniper Island actually WAS Syrup Village, and that Sniper Island was just another name for Usopp's hometown, we know from Sogeking that Sniper Island is in your heart. Since Syrup Village is larger than any heart shown in the series, we can safely say that Syrup Village cannot fit in your heart, and therefore isn't Sniper Island

C: People argue that Sogeking's nose, which is shaped like Usopp's, proves he is in fact Usopp. HOWEVER, in reality, Sogeking is wearing a mask to conceal his identity, and the mask has a nose longer than his own, made to make CP9 THINK Usopp was Sogeking. However, Sogeking's espionage skills are so great, that while fooling the intelligence agents in CP9, he obviously fooled the Straw Hat pirates, even the knowledgable Nico Robin. Sogeking's skills in stealth are so great that he has infiltrated both Mary Geoise and Marineford, impersonating Imu and Akainu. No one has ever seen Sogeking's true face.

Sogeking looking like Usopp was meant to subvert our expectations: we're meant to believe Sogeking cannot join the crew, because he is Usopp. Oda wanted us to believe Sogeking was Usopp

D: Sogeking has a cape. Usopp does not have a cape. Learn to read the fucking manga, bitches. God. Oda is way too good for you people, you don't understand his deconstructionaryelementstablishism at all. Go get a dictionary, and then a Bible, because you brainwashed heathens who actually thought Carrot would join the crew over Sogeking need serious help.

E: The real reason Sogeking didn't join the crew, is because his advanced Future Sight allows him to see the future, and he realized he would stifle the crew's development. This is why he pretended to be weak at Enies Lobby: Oda was subverting our expectations by making us think that Sogeking is Usopp by showing Sogeking as weak, when Sogeking actually was portraying himself as weak to keep his identity and power a secret.

Since no character, like the Straw Hat crew mate Yamato, can join the crew if they're stronger than Luffy or Zoro, Sogeking can now join because Luffy and Zoro are finally Yonkou tier and above Sogeking, who is stronger than every Admiral. Sogeking joining the crew is proof that they're a Yonkou crew and the Admirals were just Whitebeard, Blackbeard, and Shanks hypetools (more on Shanks later).

F: Why would Oda make Sogeking a key part of Enies Lobby and saving Robin, if Sogeking wasn't going to join the crew? Unlike Pedro, Sogeking both survived Enies Lobby, and has infilitrated Big Mom's territory to acquire Poneglyph Rubbings without Big Mom even realizing. After, Sogeking made a child with Big Mom, but then used his Haki to erase her memories of him, to avoid breaking her heart. When Pudding tried to use her Memory abilities on Sogeking to make him believe he was her husband, Sogeking completely resisted her powers, because Sogeking low diffs Sanji, and then told her, "I can't be with you, Pudding, because I love your mother, and despise men who take advantage of young maidens like you... like a certain Number 5 I know on a certain Pirate Crew." Pudding wept and shouted, "But your nose is so much bigger and manlier than Sanji's!"

G: Did you know that Sogeking is so powerful, that whenever Shanks needs to actually fight someone, he calls in Sogeking to appear as him? Shanks vs Kaido? Yep, Sogeking. Shanks vs Akainu? Sogeking. Captain Kid getting neg-diffed into an Elbaf daycare? BING BONG, GOO GOO GA GA KILLER, LU LU LA LA LU MUTHERFUCKER, LOCK OOOOOOON.

Q: Sogeking appeared to save Robin, and heard her flashback in Enies Lobby. Do you know who actually neg diffed the Supernova and Straw Hats on Sabaody? Sogeking masqeurading as Kizaru, who paid Sogeking in weed to help him fight the Straw Hats. Egghead is focused on what? Ohara, with Robin's bounty now high. Sogeking heard Saturn was going to Egghead, 420-diffed Kizaru, and has been pretending to be Kizaru the whole time, which is why Kizaru jobbed to Luffy: it's actually Sogeking trying to lure Saturn out, so the Straw Hats can kill him. After the flashback, Sogeking will snipe Saturn to save Bonney, and declare war on the World Government.

H: Why will Sogeking declare war on the World Government? Because, he already did in Enies Lobby. LIKE, SOGEKING SHOT DOWN THE WORLD GOVERNMENT FLAG, OF COURSE HE'S A STRAW HAT! And guess what, who ordered him to shoot it down? THAT'S RIGHT, LUFFY, THE CAPTAIN OF THE STRAW HATS. HE ORDERED SOGEKING AS HIS CREWMATE TO SHOOT DOWN THE FLAG, PROVING LUFFY VIEWS USOPP AS NAKAMA AND PART OF THE CREW.



THIS IS WHY LUFFY NEVER REFERS TO SOGEKING AS USOPP: BECAUSE LUFFY KNOWS THAT SOGEKING IS NOT USOPP, BUT ANOTHER PERSON IMPERSONATING HIM. YOU CAN TELL LUFFY WOULD KNOW, BECAUSE IN WHOLE CAKE ISLAND, LUFFY COULD TELL THAT CAESAR CLOWN WAS PRETENDING TO BE GANGSTER GASTINO.

Luffy knew that blowing up Sogeking's cover would be bad, because he would be betraying his Nakama's wishes, and it would cause Usopp to be hunted down by the people after Sogeking's life. Sogeking couldn't join the crew also because powerful people from Subversion Island, the Island that exists in your ass, are trying to kill him, and they're so strong that Zoro would break all his blades and Sanji would break both his legs, dick, and balls if they tried to fight them and their powerful Bullshitting Haki.

Sogeking is so clearly the next Nakama, you should all be hunted by Celestial Dragons like Hiyori rounding up Kurozumi for your SINS, YOUR VILE SINS, and horrible takes, so I never have to read them again. Nah, that's too far, but I hope a cat jumps onto your laps, and then farts loudly.

Sogeking4Nakama, Oda's bivergingpretensiouspoppercockery is truly something to behold, what a grafulding, sempidumplet manga. Ya'll should thank me for being so propologygigus at analyzing One Piece. I'm CLEARLY the best theorist on the site, despite the fact that every fucking theory I've made, from the Straw Hats going to Sphinx, and Wano Act 4, never fucking happened.

Oda just doesn't understand his own story as well as I do, I swear.
 
See how it feels?
Frustrating isn't it?
That isn't even a sliver of how the rest of the people feel.
Granted what I said earlier was just a show...
Maybe do better next time.
Hm no lol. I'm used to you guys completely missing the point or not being able to answer my question lmao
You might not feel it, but that's what you guys are doing each time you answer to me xD
 
Hm no lol. I'm used to you guys completely missing the point or not being able to answer my question lmao
You might not feel it, but that's what you guys are doing each time you answer to me xD
If we are missing the point, then maybe you just aren't articulate enough.
Do you have half a brain missing? Maybe you should seek medical care.
Fine I'll answer, Vivi is necessary...
 
Maybe yeah. But I've tried everything in two year so..



ALready did thanks



Fine. Then there is absolutely no difference between the choice of VIvi and the choice of Yamato.
That's where you are wrong dude. How many times do we have to tell you.
They're in 2 different situations.
Vivi is a Princess... Pretty vital to her Kingdom.
Yamato is a free Agent but has chosen to stay to protect and be a wall for those who might come to Wano.... different.
And even then that won't last.
 
Again I've told you there's differences in why.
Stop deflecting.
Lmao actually, you did the opposite. What you said is:

- Yamato is necessary to save the country of Wano
- Vivi is necessary for her Kindgom

So you pretty much proved that Vivi and Yamato's necessity was the same. But somehow, their choice is different ? How do you explain that ?
 
Lmao actually, you did the opposite. What you said is:

- Yamato is necessary to save the country of Wano
- Vivi is necessary for her Kindgom

So you pretty much proved that Vivi and Yamato's necessity was the same. But somehow, their choice is different ? How do you explain that ?
Wrong, you are twisting words to fit your narrative, like you do often.
Yamato isn't actually necessary for Wano, but she thinks she does.
 
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1 - Yamato's story is not over, Oda ended Wano on her making a choice against her will
2 - Yamato's story is over, Yamato choosed to stay on Wano because she wanted to thus making her own choice in front of her dad and her idole.

Let me ask you one thing:

What is most likely for a storyteller with such a track record like Oda ? That he wrote something negative like option 1 or something positive like option 2 ?


I ask you again, do you consider Vivi as not necessary to her Kingdom ?


Really ? What makes you think that in the manga ?
This is exactly what I mean when I say you work back from your conclusion. You've already decided that the conclusion is whatever you think is better writing, and so the interpretation you believe is whichever one fits that rather than which one the evidence points toward. The fact that the only "evidence" you have for your interpretation is "which one would Oda do" shows that you clearly have no evidence at all. You can't tell me one thing in those panels that points to your conclusion.

Having now admitted that the panel points to my conclusion, and the only reason my conclusion has to be false is that it would be bad writing, you only have two options.

A. Oda made a bad ending for Yamato's story
B. Yamato's story isn't over

There is no option C where your conclusion is right despite everything pointing to the contrary without being intellectually dishonest. Like I said, follow the story instead of working backwards from your conclusion.
 
@Logiko I will probably regret this, but I want to try and speak to you normally. Even if this will take me some time that I actually do not have.

Point 1: Yamato staying in Wano


You can see above that while she plans to stay on Wano and start her journey as Oden did she also still plans to go out to see later on. You can also see that Momo and kinemon are confused and feel like something is fishy with this decision of hers. The reason for that is that she knows Momo is not ready to protect Wano completely alone, but not actually that far from that level.




You see it here. Yamato wants to call Luffy and co but Momo says that is not acceptable as he needs to protect Wano or better said Wano needs to be able to protect itself. This conclusion comes from the fact that he does not mind the help of his retainers as they are part of wano.

Now to ask you here a question. How would Momo feel if this happened the next day?
Yamato: I’m not leaving Wano
Momo: Why, what happened?
Yamayo: You are not strong enough to protect Wano yet. I need to stay here longer and that’s why I can’t live my dream.
What does your gut tell you?

And lastly. I proved that she wants to continue to go out to the see and look at her reaction when she gets invited by Luffy. Also when he says that the Flag means screwing with you is the same as screwing with us. You can see that Momo asks “does that mean I‘m one of you?” And in the next panel Luffy says the names of Momo, Yamato and Kinemon. This proofs that Luffy already thinks of them as Nakama. It is the same as what Rayleigh said about Crocus. ”He only sailed with us for a year, but I do consider him part of our crew.” Same for Oden. So Luffy already considers them Nakama. The only thing left for Yamato to do is actually join them on the ship. This will be done later in the story. Probably when the borders open or before they go to Laughtale, as Yamato has odens will and she needs to go to Laughtale and see what oden saw herself.

 
Wrong, you are twisting words to fit your narrative, like do often.
Yamato isn't actually necessary for Wano, but she thinks she does.
Oh, the denial.. YOU are actually twisting the narrative here. So now, its Yamato how is not necessary

But..
Yamato wants to sail but can't, otherwise leaving Wano unprotected and would make Wano a target for Oppression once more.
Here you are saying in other words, that she is necessary....

So, Yamato leaving Wano would leaving Wano unprotected when it fits your argument, but Yamato is suddenly not necessary, when it fit your argument as well...

WEIRD ... RIGHT ?


This is exactly what I mean when I say you work back from your conclusion. You've already decided that the conclusion is whatever you think is better writing, and so the interpretation you believe is whichever one fits that rather than which one the evidence points toward. The fact that the only "evidence" you have for your interpretation is "which one would Oda do" shows that you clearly have no evidence at all. You can't tell me one thing in those panels that points to your conclusion.
Dude, you are tiring, I've given you evidence here:


THose evidence are :

- The fact that Yamato was sealed down by her father into a cave
- The fact that yamato was cuffed by her own father
- The fact that freedom was taken from her by her father
- The fact that Yamato sees Oden as the paroxysm of freedom and the fact that Yamato choose the opposite way
- The fact that Yamato fought her father over a disagreement on what Yamato should become and the fact that Yamato choosed the opposite way
- The fact that Momo's sees Oden as the paroxysm of rightfulness but did in fact the opposite of what his father wanted to do
- The fact that Yamato was surprised by the will of Momo to choose his own path
ETC.
Those are , in storytelling sence, evidences.

Having now admitted that the panel points to my conclusion, and the only reason my conclusion has to be false is that it would be bad writing, you only have two options.
i've admitted nothing. And you have avoided the question. I don't work backward unless I theorize. So please, answer the damn question.


1 - Yamato's story is not over, Oda ended Wano on her making a choice against her will (your interpretation)
2 - Yamato's story is over, Yamato choosed to stay on Wano because she wanted to thus making her own choice in front of her dad and her idole. (my interpretation)

What is most likely for a storyteller with such a track record like Oda ? That he wrote something negative like option 1 or something positive like option 2 ? (and nothing here is about bad or good storytelling, just positive and negative)

THis is a SIMPLE question. Answer it.
 
Oh, the denial.. YOU are actually twisting the narrative here. So now, its Yamato how is not necessary

But..

Here you are saying in other words, that she is necessary....

So, Yamato leaving Wano would leaving Wano unprotected when it fits your argument, but Yamato is suddenly not necessary, when it fit your argument as well...

WEIRD ... RIGHT ?



Dude, you are tiring, I've given you evidence here:




Those are , in storytelling sence, evidences.


i've admitted nothing. And you have avoided the question. I don't work backward unless I theorize. So please, answer the damn question.


1 - Yamato's story is not over, Oda ended Wano on her making a choice against her will (your interpretation)
2 - Yamato's story is over, Yamato choosed to stay on Wano because she wanted to thus making her own choice in front of her dad and her idole. (my interpretation)

What is most likely for a storyteller with such a track record like Oda ? That he wrote something negative like option 1 or something positive like option 2 ? (and nothing here is about bad or good storytelling, just positive and negative)

THis is a SIMPLE question. Answer it.
So now you're throwing back old things I've already adressed. To repeat, these things mean Yamato NEEDS to choose of her own freedom, but they don't mean that she DID. I'm not going to say that again, so don't forget this time.

As for your other question, the most likely option is 1, since that's what happened. Whether I think it sounds like Oda or not is irrelevant. If you can't understand what happened in One Piece just by reading it, you're doing something wrong. It's not bad writing if her story is still to be continued, and if it's not, and it was just a bad ending, then it's just a bad ending. Oda has made those before.
 
she also still plans to go out to see later on.
Careful, that's actually part of the lie she told Momo



Nothing is proving that Yamato still wants to go to the sea when we know that panel.


but not actually that far from that level.
What kind of proof have you to say that Momo is "not far" from having the level to protect Wano from admiral and other threats ?


Yamayo: You are not strong enough to protect Wano yet. I need to stay here longer and that’s why I can’t live my dream.
What does your gut tell you?
That Momo would take it pretty hard but accept it. Hence why Yamato invented a lie.


And lastly. I proved that she wants to continue to go out to the see and look at her reaction when she gets invited by Luffy
No you didn't. As I said, it was part of the lie. She would LOVE to go out to sea, but that's not her main desire anymore.


This proofs that Luffy already thinks of them as Nakama.
Nakama ? Debatable. But here we are not debating about Nakama as friends, but Nakama as crewmates. I don't care if Luffy consider Yamato his Nakama like Vivi what is important is who will be the next crewmate. And in that sence, a crewmate, what I calll a REAL nakama in my blog (I explained the difference) is someone with the attributes of the strawhats (on the SUNNY).


The only thing left for Yamato to do is actually join them on the ship
No. THere is a LOT more to be done for Yamato in term of storytelling. Yamato needs a new storyline, a post etc.


I'm sorry, but again, you just proving that you are ignoring what the strawhat have in common just to fit Yamato in the crew


So now you're throwing back old things I've already adressed. To repeat, these things mean Yamato NEEDS to choose of her own freedom, but they don't mean that she DID. I'm not going to say that again, so don't forget this time.
Yes they means that SHE DID. Because its the THEMATIC of the arc !

As for your other question, the most likely option is 1, since that's what happened
1. This is not what happened.
2. Oda would have choosed a negative option, a man that his known for ALWAYS (on two exception) finishing his arc positively for all ally characters

Needless to say that what you are describing is an exception for a secondary character. This makes absolutely no sence. No logic.

It's not bad writing if her story is still to be continued
Only you is saying that its bad writing. I'm saying that Yamato's story is an actual very good one with a very sweet ending that ALL OF YOU GUYS missed because of your inability to admit being wrong.

This is your logic. You prefer saying that Oda made an exception by writing a negative ending for a character in a very positive ended arc rather than admitting that you are wrong and choosing the simplest answer that is:

Oda just wrote something you didn't understand. Simple. its okay to admit it.
 
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What are you doing in Carrot's FC, are you also being held against your will, just like @Mr. Reloaded ?
 
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