General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Monkey D Al]

BonClay4Nakama

 

[Logiko]

LETS SEE FOR VEGAPUNK:

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK (through reputation) 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. CHECK 5%
• The Symbolic reach. ONLY 3/4 6%
• A Strong character arc. NONE 0%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. CHECK 10%
• The Rescue. I will say yes 11%
• A Tragedy. YES 12%
• The Double Nakama link. ONLY HALF 6%
• The Post. POTENTIALLY ONLY HALF 7%
• The Shining Nakama Action. NONE 0%

VEGAPUNK Stella reaches a very good 60% and potentially checks all the 5 Golden rules.

 

[ShiShiShi]

LETS SEE FOR VEGAPUNK:

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK (through reputation) 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. CHECK 5%
• The Symbolic reach. ONLY 3/4 6%
• A Strong character arc. NONE 0%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. CHECK 10%
• The Rescue. I will say yes 11%
• A Tragedy. YES 12%
• The Double Nakama link. ONLY HALF 6%
• The Post. POTENTIALLY ONLY HALF 7%
• The Shining Nakama Action. NONE 0%

VEGAPUNK Stella reaches a very good 60% and potentially checks all the 5 Golden rules.

This feels incredibly biased, considering your PFP.

 

[Logiko]

This feels incredibly biased, considering your PFP.

Hehe no biases from me sorry.


So, for the recap for the 0.5% that are interested:

"THOSE" are the one that don't follow the 5 golden rules.

LUCCI 3 %
KIZARU 7 %
AKAINU 12 %
STUSSY 12 % - This could change real quick
SMOKER 18 %
LILITH 19 % - This could change real quick
MARCO 36 %
BONNEY 44 % - This could change real quick
BON CLAY 49 %
BOA 50 %
SABO 52 %
VEGAPUNK 60 %
YAMATO 65 %
LAW 67 %
CARROT 72 %
VIVI 74% (5 golden rules or not?)

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

KIZARU 7 %

Joining the grand fleet. It's inevitable

 

[Warback]

We're still arguing about the imaginary arbitary point system?

Why is it arbitary? Because you made it up.

 

[Logiko]

We're still arguing about the imaginary arbitary point system?

Why is it arbitary? Because you made it up.

Ok. Make something better.

 

[Vivi4Nakama]

Carrot cant become nakama because she not unique and all strawhat is unique, what make carrot special when every mink can fight using electro and use sulong like she do? if there a pillar needed , the only one and the most important pillar is be unique

 

[Monkey D Al]

I have made a system that is 100% accurate but can’t share the details. Trade secret.
according to it looks like followed:
1. Yamato 100 points
2. Boa 99 points
3. Stussy 98 points
4. Litlith 97 points
5. Bonney 96 points
6. Lucci confirmed @Rambles
7. Kizaru joins the grand fleet
8. Bon clay 3B points
9. Vivi 10 points
10. Carrot 0 points

I know this system can look biased. But it is real science and accurate. Trust me bro

 

[Logiko]

Carrot cant become nakama because she not unique and all strawhat is unique, what make carrot special when every mink can fight using electro and use sulong like she do? if there a pillar needed , the only one and the most important pillar is be unique

You need to understand that a character needs to be unique with the other STRAWHATS. Not necessaraly with all the character. But even then Carrot is unique. She has a unique design, she is the mink who is the most symbolically researched, she can fly, She is a look out etc.

I have made a system that is 100% accurate but can’t share the details. Trade secret.
according to it looks like followed:
1. Yamato 100 points
2. Boa 99 points
3. Stussy 98 points
4. Litlith 97 points
5. Bonney 96 points
6. Lucci confirmed @Rambles
7. Kizaru joins the grand fleet
8. Bon clay 3B points
9. Vivi 10 points
10. Carrot 0 points

I know this system can look biased. But it is real science and accurate. Trust me bro

You are using bad faith here, I even agreed to change my system because of the discussion I had with you. You are being really dishonest here.

Bon. For those who can't understand. You see the result of all the characters above ? Well here are the result for the strawhats:

Luffy 100 %
Zoro 100 %
Nami 100 %
Usopp 100 %
Sanji 100 %
Chopper 100 %
Robin 100 %
Franky 100 %
Brook 100 %
Jinbe 100 %

Still don't understand the point of the pillars ??

 

[Devilbat]

@Monkey D Al

Ok, i've rewritten the Pillar in fonction of our discussion and your advice and here is what we have now with pourcentage this time:

• The Antagonistic introduction. 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. 5%
• The Symbolic reach. 8%
• A Strong character arc. 9%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. 10%
• The Rescue. 11%
• A Tragedy. 12%
• The Double Nakama link. 13%
• The Post. 14%
• The Shining Nakama Action. 15%

So, we can look at all the character:

SABO

• The Antagonistic introduction. NONE 0%
• The Multi layered characterization. CHECK 5%
• The Symbolic reach. CHECK 8%
• A Strong character arc. CHECK 9%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. ONLY HALF 5%
• The Rescue. NONE 0%
• A Tragedy. CHECK 12%
• The Double Nakama link. CHECK 13%
• The Post. NONE 0%
• The Shining Nakama Action. 0%

SABO reach a 52 %

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STUSSY

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. CHECK 5%
• The Symbolic reach. ONLY HALF 4%
• A Strong character arc. NONE 0%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. NONE 0%
• The Rescue. NONE 0%
• A Tragedy. UNKNOWN 0%
• The Double Nakama link. NONE 0%
• The Post. NONE 0%
• The Shining Nakama Action. NONE 0%

STUSSY reach a 12 % - This could change real quick

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LILITH

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. CHECK 5%
• The Symbolic reach. ONLY HALF 4%
• A Strong character arc. NONE 0%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. NONE 0%
• The Rescue. NONE 0%
• A Tragedy. NONE 0%
• The Double Nakama link. NONE 0%
• The Post. POTENTIALITY ONLY HALF 7%
• The Shining Nakama Action. NONE 0%

LILITH reach a 19 % - This could change real quick

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BONNEY

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. CHECK 5%
• The Symbolic reach. ONLY HALF 4%
• A Strong character arc. POTENTIALITY 5%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. CHECK 10%
• The Rescue. POTENTIALITY 5%
• A Tragedy. CHECK 12%
• The Double Nakama link. NONE 0%
• The Post. NONE 0%
• The Shining Nakama Action. NONE 0%

BONNEY reach a 44 % - This could change real quick

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SMOKER

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. CHECK 5%
• The Symbolic reach. NONE 0%
• A Strong character arc. NONE 0%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. CHECK 10%
• The Rescue. NONE 0%
• A Tragedy. NONE 0%
• The Double Nakama link. NONE 0%
• The Post. NONE 0%
• The Shining Nakama Action. NONE 0%

SMOKER reach a 18%

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KIZARU

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. NONE 0%
• The Symbolic reach. HALF 4%
• A Strong character arc. NONE 0%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. NONE 0%
• The Rescue. NONE 0%
• A Tragedy. NONE 0%
• The Double Nakama link. NONE 0%
• The Post. NONE 0%
• The Shining Nakama Action. NONE 0%

KIZARU reach a 7%

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LUCCI

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. NONE 0%
• The Symbolic reach. NONE 0%
• A Strong character arc. NONE 0%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. NONE 0%
• The Rescue. NONE 0%
• A Tragedy. NONE 0%
• The Double Nakama link. NONE 0%
• The Post. NONE 0%
• The Shining Nakama Action. NONE 0%

LUCCI reach a 3%

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YAMATO

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. CHECK 5%
• The Symbolic reach. CHECK 8%
• A Strong character arc. CHECK 9%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. CHECK 10%
• The Rescue. ONLY HALF 5%
• A Tragedy. CHECK 12%
• The Double Nakama link. CHECK 13%
• The Post. NONE 0%
• The Shining Nakama Action. NONE 0%

YAMATO reach a 65%

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And now

CARROT

• The Antagonistic introduction. CHECK 3%
• The Multi layered characterization. CHECK 5%
• The Symbolic reach. CHECK 8%
• A Strong character arc. ONLY HALF 4%
• Hint of the 2 driving forces. ONLY HALF 5%
• The Rescue. NONE 0%
• A Tragedy. CHECK 12%
• The Double Nakama link. ONLY HALF 6%
• The Post. CHECK 14%
• The Shining Nakama Action. CHECK 15%

CARROT reach a 72%


HERE ARE THE RECAP OF THE RESULTS BY PROBABILITY OF JOINING:

LUCCI 3%
KIZARU 7%
STUSSY 12 % - This could change real quick
SMOKER 18%
LILITH 19 % - This could change real quick
BONNEY 44 % - This could change real quick
SABO 52 %
YAMATO 65%
CARROT 72%

This doesn't take into account that LUCCI, KIZARU, SMOKER and SABO don't pass the 5 golden rules. And doesn't take into account that the desire and needs of Yamato have already been resolved.

Carrot is still ahead, but Stussy Bonney and Lilith could surprise us

Even if we entertain the idea that this system works, you need to add thresholds, like "0-49% won't join, 50-79% the possibility is there, 81-100% this is almost a given will join".

Otherwise those points are pointless.

The fact that Kizaru gets a score above zero should tell you this list is useless.

C'mon, Wizaru for nakama! We need a best match for Aokiji, and if BBP got an ex admiral, why shouldn't SHP have one?

Wouldn’t it make more sense if Lucci was above Kizaru? He’s more likely (but not enough to join) IMO.

Lucci is a conscious killer, Kizaru is just following orders!

 

[Logiko]

Even if we entertain the idea that this system works, you need to add thresholds, like "0-49% won't join, 50-79% the possibility is there, 81-100% this is almost a given will join".

Yes but this would be arbitrary this time.

My work is done only for predicting the best candidate, not how likely they are to join.

But I can try.

0-24 % : No chances to join
25-49 % : Low chances to join
50-74 % : A good chance to join
75%-99%: Will most likely be confirmed soon
100% : Is a complete strawhat.

 

[Rambles]

I have made a system that is 100% accurate but can’t share the details. Trade secret.
according to it looks like followed:
1. Yamato 100 points
2. Boa 99 points
3. Stussy 98 points
4. Litlith 97 points
5. Bonney 96 points
6. Lucci confirmed @Rambles
7. Kizaru joins the grand fleet
8. Bon clay 3B points
9. Vivi 10 points
10. Carrot 0 points

I know this system can look biased. But it is real science and accurate. Trust me bro

Scientificly proven

 

[Ravagerblade]

Bruh Vivi had a much better instance to join and still didn't.
Vivi > Carrot
Here's some differences too. Basically an invitation already...
Meanwhile no Invitation for Carrot.
Asked to join at a later date or asked to be considered a SH in heart.
Carrot never asked to join and isn't waiting to join.

Wanna know what else, practically every SH was either Hesitant to join or had something that they had to accomplish before being free to do so.

As a 1:1 ratio Jinbei and Yamato are very similar in that regard.

Carrot just cannot compete for those situations etc.

 

[Logiko]

Bruh Vivi had a much better instance to join and still didn't.
Vivi > Carrot
Here's some differences too. Basically an invitation already...
Meanwhile no Invitation for Carrot.

Vivi is already above Carrot mate.

Wanna know what else, practically every SH was either Hesitant to join or had something that they had to accomplish before being free to do so.

Spoiler: It was one of my pillar, I called it "the refusal". And this forum said (you included I think) that it was quoted "BS". I deleted the Pillar because the case of Usopp is uncertain and his call for adventure is not so clear.

 

[Monkey D Al]

You are using bad faith here, I even agreed to change my system because of the discussion I had with you. You are being really dishonest here.

Bon. For those who can't understand. You see the result of all the characters above ? Well here are the result for the strawhats:

I’m just having a little bit of fun and giving my favorite characters good scores. Also I did ask you to change your system. You asked me how I would do it and I told you. I do believe that such a system can help identify potential candidates, and at the same time be 100% wrong. A character could get 100 points and still not join.

Don’t take it too seriously, have a little fun. A lot of the characters I liked didn’t join. During whole cake island I was a huge Reiju4nakama supporter. She didn’t join and I knew she wouldn‘t.

 

[Logiko]

A character could get 100 points and still not join.

Debatable.

Don’t take it too seriously, have a little fun. A lot of the characters I liked didn’t join. During whole cake island I was a huge Reiju4nakama supporter. She didn’t join and I knew she wouldn‘t.

Sorry, I have a hard time knowing what is trolling, joking and toxicity here. Its a little bit fuzzy.

 

[Vivi4Nakama]

You need to understand that a character needs to be unique with the other STRAWHATS.

and she not, her element shared with nami, her hair color with sanji, we already have furry animal in a crew and her fighting style also a standart brawling like luffy

Not necessaraly with all the character. But even then Carrot is unique. She has a unique design, she is the mink who is the most symbolically researched, she can fly, She is a look out etc.

and she also not, her initial outfit it standart minkncloth with standart green cape that mink have, there a lot people who can fly now and and many animal have better eyesight than a rabbit, the symbolical is fans headcanon like how luffy supposed to be monkey king but proven wrong now

so yeah, maybe you claim you good at researching story, but manga is picture book and design play more bigger part, try researching that in your free time.

 

[Logiko]

!?

Yes she is unique, but you need to actually understand the meaning of her design to understand that. I won't waste my time as there is 90% chance that you will say "you are not Oda" so yeah. You do you.

BTW, I'm also (theorically) educated in the domain of concept art as drawing is my second passion (even if I lack technicity right now) so.. yeah, don't patronize me on design bra.. lol

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

and she not, her element shared with nami, her hair color with sanji, we already have furry animal in a crew and her fighting style also a standart brawling like luffy


and she also not, her initial outfit it standart minkncloth with standart green cape that mink have, there a lot people who can fly now and and many animal have better eyesight than a rabbit, the symbolical is fans headcanon like how luffy supposed to be monkey king but proven wrong now

so yeah, maybe you claim you good at researching story, but manga is picture book and design play more bigger part, try researching that in your free time.

Vivi4nakama is the truth