Who will be the Next Strawhat?


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But here. Nothing is said about the sea and Bonney is free so. It could also simply be Kuma talking and not Bonney. This is often used to dive into the flashback. This is volontaraly vague to make a parralel between Bonney and Juma, both being Kids and losing dads.

I don't see here the confirmation that Bonney will follow Nika. This would be a huge interepretation step.
I'm not saying she's confirmed to join because of it. I'm saying it makes that much more likely than joining the revos. Regardless of how you interprate this, Bonney has a significant connection to Nika.
 
But here. Nothing is said about the sea and Bonney is free so. It could also simply be Kuma talking and not Bonney. This is often used to dive into the flashback. This is volontaraly vague to make a parralel between Bonney and Juma, both being Kids and losing dads.

I don't see here the confirmation that Bonney will follow Nika. This would be a huge interepretation step.


here you have the page. Bonney remembers what Kuma told her and she asks will I be freed too?
This is something I’ve been asking myself for sometime. What is freedom? Bonney clearly doesn’t consider herself free. Because ever since she is born she has suffered under the celestial dragons. Maybe not directly, but her parents were slaves, her grandparents too. And we have seen the mental scars CDs can inflict with Boa and her sisters. And now the CDs have taken her dad and we don’t know what happened to Ginny yet. I don’t think Bonney is free just because she isn’t a slave or because she can travel as a pirate.
 


here you have the page. Bonney remembers what Kuma told her and she asks will I be freed too?
This is something I’ve been asking myself for sometime. What is freedom? Bonney clearly doesn’t consider herself free. Because ever since she is born she has suffered under the celestial dragons. Maybe not directly, but her parents were slaves, her grandparents too. And we have seen the mental scars CDs can inflict with Boa and her sisters. And now the CDs have taken her dad and we don’t know what happened to Ginny yet. I don’t think Bonney is free just because she isn’t a slave or because she can travel as a pirate.
And according to Kuma, It's Nika who will free her, whatever that means in this context. That clearly implies Luffy will do something significant for her.

Side note, the official translation has Bonney ask specifically if Nika will free her, not just if she will be freed.
 
Not at all no lol

Its like comparing Usopp and ZOro and saying that they are the same.
are ussop grow 6 arm and 3 head when he serious like how mink use electro?



Yes because it tells us a story.
nope , but now im convice you have basic understanding in charachter design



No moving goalpost here. My point has always been that this hat was connoted as artsy. And french/Italian.
yeah me too also fans of asian farmer hat pirate


You don't understand. The point is the difference of characterization in term of design. The mink in general (in some exception) are very close to their characterization in Sulong. Carrot is radicaly different.
i do understand. and i also undersrand you just found that analogy match your theory and you cant let it go. by your reply and i quote “
The mink in general (in some exception)”
already mean there another mink that also not very close to their characterization. you just admited carrot aint that special. its like saying arlong ability to swim fast in the sea is a symbol of he saw ocean and water as a freedom and he longing for it. while any fishman also could do the same.


Do you see any mink flying in base form ?

No.
from saying zoro of all charachter arent unique, to say rabbit can jump high while we have so many hunan that can fly in the crew already, thats cope man

Lol, I never lose.
so why you change your nick? lost confident in your candidate?

well i think i done enough for my first debut in this forum and already debating with the famous logiko, i watch this forum enough to see how you argue and this would never go anywere.so yeah we can continue this discussion if carrot make new appearance or you have argument against vivi. until then ciao~
 
Bonney has a significant connection to Nika.
I agree with you on that. but I'm waiting for more information to connect her to the crew personnaly.


here you have the page. Bonney remembers what Kuma told her and she asks will I be freed too?
This is something I’ve been asking myself for sometime. What is freedom? Bonney clearly doesn’t consider herself free. Because ever since she is born she has suffered under the celestial dragons. Maybe not directly, but her parents were slaves, her grandparents too. And we have seen the mental scars CDs can inflict with Boa and her sisters. And now the CDs have taken her dad and we don’t know what happened to Ginny yet. I don’t think Bonney is free just because she isn’t a slave or because she can travel as a pirate.
i've replied earlier to Sigran about this specific panel, it could be Kuma talking.


are ussop grow 6 arm and 3 head when he serious like how mink use electro?
lol

nope , but now im convice you have basic understanding in charachter design
Cute, keep telling yourself that


i do understand. and i also undersrand you just found that analogy match your theory and you cant let it go. by your reply and i quote “
The mink in general (in some exception)”
already mean there another mink that also not very close to their characterization. you just admited carrot aint that special. its like saying arlong ability to swim fast in the sea is a symbol of he saw ocean and water as a freedom and he longing for it. while any fishman also could do the same.
Remember. unique IN the crew.


from saying zoro of all charachter arent unique, to say rabbit can jump high while we have so many hunan that can fly in the crew already, thats cope man
Sure lol


so why you change your nick? lost confident in your candidate?

well i think i done enough for my first debut in this forum and already debating with the famous logiko, i watch this forum enough to see how you argue and this would never go anywere.so yeah we can continue this discussion if carrot make new appearance or you have argument against vivi. until then ciao~
No, Just moving on :)
Bye o7


Share an example where you won
Yamato not joining. Explaining exactly how and why. Month in advance.
 
I agree with you on that. but I'm waiting for more information to connect her to the crew personnaly.



i've replied earlier to Sigran about this specific panel, it could be Kuma talking.



lol


Cute, keep telling yourself that



Remember. unique IN the crew.



Sure lol



No, Just moving on :)
Bye o7



Yamato not joining. Explaining exactly how and why. Month in advance.
The crew connection isn't the problem to me. She's getting along great with everyone, especially Luffy. He even remembers her name. I'm just waiting for confirmation that she inherited Kuma's dream. If that happens, I'll change my estimation from 60% to more like 80%.
 
The crew connection isn't the problem to me. She's getting along great with everyone, especially Luffy. He even remembers her name. I'm just waiting for confirmation that she inherited Kuma's dream. If that happens, I'll change my estimation from 60% to more like 80%.
The inherited will happens to a lot of strong character. What we must really look for is something related to a special skill, it might even put her above Carrot and Vivi.
 
Dream is way more important.
If it was, there would be a lot less character that have them. It is important for the thematic of the story. its also extremely important for a character and yes, its the main thing about them. But we are not focused on what is the most important thing for a character but a prediction system to see if we can reveal a new strawhat.

In that prediction system, the post is a categorie far more important. Simply because it is shared by only 11 people. It is right that a character can join without being assigned to a role but when we look at the story, we observe that the role and the thematic related to this role is ALWAYS foreshadowed during the early stages of the character's development.

For example Jinbe was an helmnans already after impel down.

If indeed no one can join without a dream, this is a character trait shared by too many character, in the contrary, no strawhats has ever skip the characterization related to their post.

Hence why the post is higher. And the shining Nakama action even higher.
 
Dream is way more important. Characters joined without a role before like Ussop, or had no role until the last minute like Jinbei. No one joined without a dream.
If it turns out that Bonney is actually a child then she can be an apprentice and doesn’t really need a role. Although as a supernova how much can she really be an apprentice. She also managed to get from Mary Goise to Egghead so she knows how to navigate.
 
If it was, there would be a lot less character that have them. It is important for the thematic of the story. its also extremely important for a character and yes, its the main thing about them. But we are not focused on what is the most important thing for a character but a prediction system to see if we can reveal a new strawhat.

In that prediction system, the post is a categorie far more important. Simply because it is shared by only 11 people. It is right that a character can join without being assigned to a role but when we look at the story, we observe that the role and the thematic related to this role is ALWAYS foreshadowed during the early stages of the character's development.

For example Jinbe was an helmnans already after impel down.

If indeed no one can join without a dream, this is a character trait shared by too many character, in the contrary, no strawhats has ever skip the characterization related to their post.

Hence why the post is higher. And the shining Nakama action even higher.
This is exactly why a point system doesn't work :kriwhat:
 
If it was, there would be a lot less character that have them. It is important for the thematic of the story. its also extremely important for a character and yes, its the main thing about them. But we are not focused on what is the most important thing for a character but a prediction system to see if we can reveal a new strawhat.

In that prediction system, the post is a categorie far more important. Simply because it is shared by only 11 people. It is right that a character can join without being assigned to a role but when we look at the story, we observe that the role and the thematic related to this role is ALWAYS foreshadowed during the early stages of the character's development.

For example Jinbe was an helmnans already after impel down.

If indeed no one can join without a dream, this is a character trait shared by too many character, in the contrary, no strawhats has ever skip the characterization related to their post.

Hence why the post is higher. And the shining Nakama action even higher.
Robin was an archeologist from the beginning but we only find out later that she is needed to make it to Laughtale. When she first reads the PG on alabasta and it is revealed that it did hold the information about the whereabouts of Pluton, and later when she reads the PG on Skypia, no one was thinking oh this is needed to become pirate kings. Her role an importance actually grew over time.

Usopp was shown to be good at using a pachinko but I wouldn’t have considered him a sniper until Enis Lobby. Wait that was Sogeking and not Usopp.
 
This is exactly why a point system doesn't work :kriwhat:
On the contrary, this is why it works.

The problem is that you are looking at the wrong way. For you, what is important is what is important for the character.

But that's not good to create a good prediction system. In the narration of One Piece, what distinguishes the strawhats is not their dream, a lot of characters in One Piece have them, its their post. Plus the term dream is too vague, the real term should be desire.

The post is far more important to predict a strawhat simply because this is something omega unique. Same for the shining Nakama action. this is something extremely unique.



Robin was an archeologist from the beginning but we only find out later that she is needed to make it to Laughtale. When she first reads the PG on alabasta and it is revealed that it did hold the information about the whereabouts of Pluton, and later when she reads the PG on Skypia, no one was thinking oh this is needed to become pirate kings. Her role an importance actually grew over time.
This is not something that I deny. What is important to understand is that a post is ALWAYS foreshadowed/shadowed in the story in the early development of the character.

This is what make the post, the post.

In fact I will change this on my blog as this is not really accurate. The foreshadowing of the post takes 95% of the importance of that pillar, the 5% left are just the confirmation.

What you toled me for Usopp and Robin are shadowings. They are the 95% necessary for this pillar to work.
 
On the contrary, this is why it works.

The problem is that you are looking at the wrong way. For you, what is important is what is important for the character.

But that's not good to create a good prediction system. In the narration of One Piece, what distinguishes the strawhats is not their dream, a lot of characters in One Piece have them, its their post. Plus the term dream is too vague, the real term should be desire.

The post is far more important to predict a strawhat simply because this is something omega unique. Same for the shining Nakama action. this is something extremely unique.




This is not something that I deny. What is important to understand is that a post is ALWAYS foreshadowed/shadowed in the story in the early development of the character.

This is what make the post, the post.

In fact I will change this on my blog as this is not really accurate. The foreshadowing of the post takes 95% of the importance of that pillar, the 5% left are just the confirmation.
No, it doesn't work because your point system is just your subjective opinion.
 
As it currently stands, my gut still points towards Vivi and Bonney both being the two most likely candidates to properly join the Straw Hats, with Yamato trailing off a bit in the distance for now. Regardless of whoever joins, I do think though that we're likely heading for a scenario where even if only one of the two properly "joins" the crew, the other one will still be tagging along and traveling alongside the Straw Hats for a great deal of the rest of the saga moving forward.
 
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