Future Events Zoro will NOT fight Kaido!

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Everyone needs to be enlightened of the Grandmaster's greatness.


At any rate, if he asks me to remove him from my tag list, I will.



Why would he not fight Kaido? Did Oda spend so long setting it up in vain?



What are your reasons AK? What do you think about the points I brought up?



Woro is so great that everyone can't resist talking about him.




I stand by Zoro cutting Kaido, and if they don't have any encounter at all, it's no skin off my back. It just means Oda decided to deliberately and elaborately troll one of his largest fanbases. Is it possible? Yeah (many Sanji fans were burned in WCI), but it's not something I'm expecting at this point in time.



Why would it not amount to much? Oden's attack fucked Kaido up pretty badly:

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Zoro would probably give him an even more grievous scar.



Wait, you think it's more likely that Oda is outright lying about future events through the official One Piece magazines? And that he chose to do so twice? What exactly is your rationale here?

No seriously, which of these two seems more reasonable to you:

• Oda hinting at an important future event through the official One Piece Magazines.
• Oda lying about important future events through the same magazines.

Consider that the incident in question happened not once but twice.

When has Oda ever said anything, and then fans were able to accurately predict what's going to happen because of what he said? This is the same guy who openly admitted that if fans do predict things to come, he will not hesitate to change it.

So if Oda says "Perhaps a new legend of an Eastern Dragon being slayed will be born.", what are fans naturally going to assume? Kaido, right, because he's an Eastern Dragon. What's Oda going to do? Come completely out of left field and do something nobody could have predicted. We've seen this happen hundreds of times.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Zoro giving a scar to Kaido is the highlight of his story arc ever since he took the pain from Luffy

after 15 years he should do something "kinda" important ...

if Oda don't do that even I would be disappointed

Wtf are you talking about? Zoros bandana is more important to the story than Shanks.

 

[Fujishiro]

Calling the Yonko "garbage" was definitely hyperbolic and just comedy, I'm known as an avid fan of Admirals and within the One Piece community, I'm always arguing with peeps about Admiral vs Yonko scaling.
There is no doubt the Yonko are some of the strongest individuals in the series, I just have extremely unpopular opinions about their power in comparison to Mihawk, Dragon, Akainu, etc. I also do believe that no top tier can defeat another top tier with anything less than a "highly difficult" and sometimes an "extremely difficult fight". There are arguably some mid diffs within the Admiral+Yonko spectrum, but as a whole, I do agree with the sentiment that they're comparable.

TLDR: I enjoy dissing Yonko. It's fun.
:cheers:

Oh yeah i get that british hyperbole but i feel like youre elevating those 3 above the others for no apparent reason i feel.

I mean dragon has 0 feats, prefered to run away from blackbeard ( the same blackbeard who called kaido a dreaded monster, had no problems invading baltigo) and cp0( same cp0 whom orochi shot and was trash talking and they didnt object nor do anything about it), sure he is the mcs dad but when has the mcs dad in most shounen been the strongest? Bardock, Minato, Isshin(bleach),etc all were not the strongest of their verse. Not by a long shot. Heck even garp wasnt the strongest.

Then you have mihawk whom for some reason you put above all yonko and most admirals, we have 0 feats from him except that iceberg cutting. The only thing we know for a fact is that he is >= shanks, thats it. So i dunno where that one comes from either.

And then akainu, i heard the argument before saying that since he will be luffys 1vs1 encounter then he must be the strongest but if kaido fallls to a huge group( which is what this is leading up to) then akainu falls 1vs1, how does that exactly detract from the former being stronger or atleast equal? Kaido could fall to the combined might of the alliance, bm turning on him( which very well might happen at this point with all the choper/olin bullshit, maybe marines intervention), the fact is we do not know anything about what will happen.

And i hope you kept in mind my point about none of the yonko/ heck even admirals being allowed to go all out so far, altho the admirals have more leeway with marineford and PH. The yonko at the moment are shackled by the straw hat plotshielD . They are not allowed to do anything crazy to keep the straw hats safe, it does fuck up their portrayal but to me character portrayal should have no relevance to a characters strength at all. The moment they werent shackled by plot, they have a good showing in their fight in onigashima. Do refer to admirals post here if you havent already:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/its-time-to-stop-disrespecting-big-mom.5148/

The amount of force/energy required to do what they were doing is tremendous, and im sure kaido was restraining himself because it is his base of operation, the same way the marines didnt want to destroy marineford. The point is that oda went out of his way to groupe admirals/yonko(im adding mihawk and dragon here because i feel they belong) as the top dogs of the verse atm, they are all about equal narratively, so i disagree with you saying that there could be a mid diff. A top tier can never mid diff another top tier.

Its high/extreme for all of them and n8 on a good day can beat n1 on a bad one.

Anyways, sorry for the long post. But i hope youll read it. Cheers and cant wait to hear more of your hottakes in the future.

 

[Fiji]

Oh yeah i get that british hyperbole but i feel like youre elevating those 3 above the others for no apparent reason i feel.

I mean dragon has 0 feats, prefered to run away from blackbeard ( the same blackbeard who called kaido a dreaded monster, had no problems invading baltigo) and cp0( same cp0 whom orochi shot and was trash talking and they didnt object nor do anything about it), sure he is the mcs dad but when has the mcs dad in most shounen been the strongest? Bardock, Minato, Isshin(bleach),etc all were not the strongest of their verse. Not by a long shot. Heck even garp wasnt the strongest.

Then you have mihawk whom for some reason you put above all yonko and most admirals, we have 0 feats from him except that iceberg cutting. The only thing we know for a fact is that he is >= shanks, thats it. So i dunno where that one comes from either.

And then akainu, i heard the argument before saying that since he will be luffys 1vs1 encounter then he must be the strongest but if kaido fallls to a huge group( which is what this is leading up to) then akainu falls 1vs1, how does that exactly detract from the former being stronger or atleast equal? Kaido could fall to the combined might of the alliance, bm turning on him( which very well might happen at this point with all the choper/olin bullshit, maybe marines intervention), the fact is we do not know anything about what will happen.

And i hope you kept in mind my point about none of the yonko/ heck even admirals being allowed to go all out so far, altho the admirals have more leeway with marineford and PH. The yonko at the moment are shackled by the straw hat plotshielD . They are not allowed to do anything crazy to keep the straw hats safe, it does fuck up their portrayal but to me character portrayal should have no relevance to a characters strength at all. The moment they werent shackled by plot, they have a good showing in their fight in onigashima. Do refer to admirals post here if you havent already:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/its-time-to-stop-disrespecting-big-mom.5148/

The amount of force/energy required to do what they were doing is tremendous, and im sure kaido was restraining himself because it is his base of operation, the same way the marines didnt want to destroy marineford. The point is that oda went out of his way to groupe admirals/yonko(im adding mihawk and dragon here because i feel they belong) as the top dogs of the verse atm, they are all about equal narratively, so i disagree with you saying that there could be a mid diff. A top tier can never mid diff another top tier.

Its high/extreme for all of them and n8 on a good day can beat n1 on a bad one.

Anyways, sorry for the long post. But i hope youll read it. Cheers and cant wait to hear more of your hottakes in the future.

Read it all, and I totally respect your opinion and see why you think so! I personally believe that Oldbeard was the strongest Yonko. And that Mihawk, Dragon and Akainu are comparable to Primebeard / Prime Roger. I think there's an argument to be made for Mihawk > Roger, and I believe Akainu (by the time Luffy fights him) will be one of the strongest individuals in the history of the series. Dragon is the only one that I cannot really argue for, due to the ambiguity that surrounds him.

I do believe Dragon and Akainu are around the same ballpark in strength, and I lean towards Dragon being more powerful than him, even by just a little, due to the apparent nature (and my headcanon) of their dynamic. I think Akainu's hatred for Dragon stems from an envy that was birthed by a sense of inferiority. Obviously, this is all headcanon, but this is what makes me put Dragon, Mihawk and Akainu above the rest of the Admirals/Yonko. Of course, my headcanon could be very wrong (and is most likely wrong considering how Oda writes things), but this is my perception for the future of the story. I think Luffy vs Akainu is Luffy's final battle. I think Luffy = Zoro EoS, and that Zoro's final fight is Mihawk who has a very solid argument to be superior to even Roger.

Thanks for your comments! I enjoy respectful discourse.

 

[Fujishiro]

Read it all, and I totally respect your opinion and see why you think so! I personally believe that Oldbeard was the strongest Yonko. And that Mihawk, Dragon and Akainu are comparable to Primebeard / Prime Roger. I think there's an argument to be made for Mihawk > Roger, and I believe Akainu (by the time Luffy fights him) will be one of the strongest individuals in the history of the series. Dragon is the only one that I cannot really argue for, due to the ambiguity that surrounds him.

I do believe Dragon and Akainu are around the same ballpark in strength, and I lean towards Dragon being more powerful than him, even by just a little, due to the apparent nature (and my headcanon) of their dynamic. I think Akainu's hatred for Dragon stems from an envy that was birthed by a sense of inferiority. Obviously, this is all headcanon, but this is what makes me put Dragon, Mihawk and Akainu above the rest of the Admirals/Yonko. Of course, my headcanon could be very wrong (and is most likely wrong considering how Oda writes things), but this is my perception for the future of the story. I think Luffy vs Akainu is Luffy's final battle. I think Luffy = Zoro EoS, and that Zoro's final fight is Mihawk who has a very solid argument to be superior to even Roger.

Thanks for your comments! I enjoy respectful discourse.

I can see where you come from about akainu, but as I said if luffy 1vs1s him and like group fights kaido then I don’t thinks it’s as clear cur to be honest. And even if it’s the case you’re talking about future akainu not current one I assume? Blackbeard himself as a case of becoming as strong or stronger than kaido in the future.

I just think that oda keeps hyping up kaido everywhere he can, he hyped him over akainu in an SBS over s strength related question too, I don’t know if you know what I’m talking about. Most people take it as a joke but I believe if the man himself brought it up then it somehow goes along the lines of what he thinks.

The ace novel also has a lot of pirates who think that kaido then was the stronger between him and healthy oldbeard.

As for mihawk, i always thought he was top 4 just based of the fact that he is zoros dream but, I don’t know about him being on the level of primebeard or roger, nothing points towards it at all but if it’s your opinion then I’ll just respect it my friend.

Overall, I feel like kaido at the moment has the most hype out of any character, except maybe dragon idk. He had CP-0 quacking at his mention, he had other emperors hype him up( big mom and Blackbeard ( the man with two devil fruits)), he has the highest current bounty besides ofc dragon, he one shot a fm. Something no other top tier did. He was actually captured by said yonko and marines and none could do him in,etc

But, the goal of discussion is subjective anyways. So I’ll respect it.

Take care!

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Well I didn't bet on Zoro fighting or killing Kaido anyway

 

[Zenos7]

This is the same guy who openly admitted that if fans do predict things to come, he will not hesitate to change it.

do you have any quote for this?

I cant seem to find the interview, but from what i remember, he said he doesnt read fan theories because he would want to change things if fans get it right. . . .

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Wtf are you talking about? Zoros bandana is more important to the story than Shanks.

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[Finalbeta]

Well I didn't bet on Zoro fighting or killing Kaido anyway

Were you too scared to lose bud? :P

Or any other reason?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Were you too scared to lose bud? :P

Or any other reason?

I don't want to take a big L if Zoro doesn't fight Kaido:smithnie:

 

[critical mindset]

Well I didn't bet on Zoro fighting or killing Kaido anyway

He’ll fight a drawing by Kanjuro, and Oda will sprinkle in some plot armour by not having there be ink arrows in the fight

 

[Levi_Ackerman]

If he can't get a 1v1 vs king or any other calamity, joining his captain to fight kaido after fighting a f6 1v1 would be the best option.
Anything else is too underwhelming.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

do you have any quote for this?

I cant seem to find the interview, but from what i remember, he said he doesnt read fan theories because he would want to change things if fans get it right. . . .

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That's the interview. He said if fans theorize what he's going to do, he'll change it. He also said he'd change the entire ending of the story if the fans predict it, and he's has this ending planned out since day one. Oda just does not like people being able to guess what he's going to do. Which is why he always makes things seem like they are going to go one way, and then does something completely out of left field that nobody expects.

The way I look at it is, if Zoro joins in on the fight against Kaido, then he will not be getting a 1 on 1 fight against any High Tier character, because there is no way he's going to be in any condition to keep fighting if he is just coming off a battle against a Calamity. So the fandom needs to ask themselves, which they want to see. Zoro vs King, or Zoro helping Luffy fight Kaido.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

That's the interview. He said if fans theorize what he's going to do, he'll change it. He also said he'd change the entire ending of the story if the fans predict it, and he's has this ending planned out since day one. Oda just does not like people being able to guess what he's going to do. Which is why he always makes things seem like they are going to go one way, and then does something completely out of left field that nobody expects.

The way I look at it is, if Zoro joins in on the fight against Kaido, then he will not be getting a 1 on 1 fight against any High Tier character, because there is no way he's going to be in any condition to keep fighting if he is just coming off a battle against a Calamity. So the fandom needs to ask themselves, which they want to see. Zoro vs King, or Zoro helping Luffy fight Kaido.

I do agree with that
It's either Zoro fights Kaido with Luffy or he fights someone like King but doesn't participate in the Kaido fight

 

[Finalbeta]

I don't want to take a big L if Zoro doesn't fight Kaido:smithnie:

Lol then you should have bet. Risk he won't fight is close to 0.

 

[Afroking]

What are your reasons AK? What do you think about the points I brought up?

I have said it to you before on discord,but anyway..
Zoro doesn't fight the main guy that Luffy has set his eyes on.Even when they were running out of time versus Moria and he was the last remaining opponent,he stood still.
Oda won't change his formula.
The only time he participated was against Arlong and that was just to stall for a few seconds just so Sanji can free Luffy without him doing anything to Arlong.
Inbefore upcoming Zoro fought Hody comments;He didn't fight him after Luffy sets his eyes on him, neither after he took the huge dose of pills. They were the same yet different characters..


As for the first post
Oda already drawn Zoro vs a dragon to mimick Ryuma, so no reason to do it a second time.

Enma and Yasuie in fact goes against him fighting Kaidou.
Upon killing Yasuie Zoro was to avenge him by taking out Orochi,not Kaidou.

If you want to use Enma as inherited will then he will take out Orochi,since Enma was passed on to Zoro by Hiyori and Hiyori wants to kill Orochi herself but can't.
Oden's will passed through the swords Enma=Hiyori=Orochi
Ame no Habakiri=Momonosuke=Kaidou

At Yasuie's execution he mentioned that no one has been able to take Kaido's head. The speech bubbles were placed directly above Zoro's head:

Only this panel is an argument for me, to be honest and I can't see Oda making a SH kill on Panel. What's the point as well if Luffy already beat him?Unless you think Luffy won't beat the guy,he set his eyes to take out ever since Punk Hazard,making Zoro eclipse Luffy in the arc he is supposed to be recnognized as a Great pirate and come close to fullfilling his promise with Shanks...




As for the last argument,yes indeed,of course Zoro is saying he is aiming for Kaidou there. Every single person does that. That was the purpose of the raid. While the rest of the BP are stupored ,the alliance is supposed to take the head of the supreme commader.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

That's the interview. He said if fans theorize what he's going to do, he'll change it. He also said he'd change the entire ending of the story if the fans predict it, and he's has this ending planned out since day one. Oda just does not like people being able to guess what he's going to do. Which is why he always makes things seem like they are going to go one way, and then does something completely out of left field that nobody expects.

The way I look at it is, if Zoro joins in on the fight against Kaido, then he will not be getting a 1 on 1 fight against any High Tier character, because there is no way he's going to be in any condition to keep fighting if he is just coming off a battle against a Calamity. So the fandom needs to ask themselves, which they want to see. Zoro vs King, or Zoro helping Luffy fight Kaido.

The " condition " can be fixed we have 3 doctors in the alliance currently so no problem.
( Additionally as long as plot requires the will of characters will make them keep fighting )

Oda must first prove Zoro being in the level to aid in the Kaido team figth.
Which so far is only proven by defeating a commander.

If he goes to Kaido without any previous fight then I guess he will deal some critical damage(like the oden feat or more) to justify not fighting a high tier.

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I have said it to you before on discord,but anyway..
Zoro doesn't fight the main guy that Luffy has set his eyes on.Even when they were running out of time versus Moria and he was the last remaining opponent,he stood still.
Oda won't change his formula.
The only time he participated was against Arlong and that was just to stall for a few seconds just so Sanji can free Luffy without him doing anything to Arlong.
Inbefore upcoming Zoro fought Hody comments;He didn't fight him after Luffy sets his eyes on him, neither after he took the huge dose of pills. They were the same yet different characters..


As for the first post
Oda already drawn Zoro vs a dragon to mimick Ryuma, so no reason to do it a second time.

Enma and Yasuie in fact goes against him fighting Kaidou.
Upon killing Yasuie Zoro was to avenge him by taking out Orochi,not Kaidou.

If you want to use Enma as inherited will then he will take out Orochi,since Enma was passed on to Zoro by Hiyori and Hiyori wants to kill Orochi herself but can't.
Oden's will passed through the swords Enma=Hiyori=Orochi
Ame no Habakiri=Momonosuke=Kaidou

Only this panel is an argument for me, to be honest and I can't see Oda making a SH kill on Panel. What's the point as well if Luffy already beat him?Unless you think Luffy won't beat the guy,he set his eyes to take out ever since Punk Hazard,making Zoro eclipse Luffy in the arc he is supposed to be recnognized as a Great pirate and come close to fullfilling his promise with Shanks...




As for the last argument,yes indeed,of course Zoro is saying he is aiming for Kaidou there. Every single person does that. That was the purpose of the raid. While the rest of the BP are stupored ,the alliance is supposed to take the head of the supreme commader.

The punk hazard dragon event is equal to the legend of hundreds of years Ryuma?



Whoa there.

And again thinking Orochi Is a real deal for Zoro in wano already speaks out of some undermining towards Zoro.

Zoro saying they must not waste energy before figthing Kaido refers to Luffy and him.
You see all the alliance there with them?

Why would he repeat what the alliance purpose is? Does the reader ignore the purpose of alliance at this point?

Ame no habakiri literally means celestial snake Slayer...Orochi.


The weak trio has faced an Emperor ( they stalled one) ,Jimbei kicked BM of the sunny ,allowed Sanji to take part in stopping a punch of BM alongside Luffy...

After all of this are you telling me that the second strongest SH taking part of the team to bring Kaido down is illogical?
Phew ..spare that bias reasoning.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Looks like it will be Kidd Luffy and Yamato. King will probably tangle with Marco.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

That's the interview. He said if fans theorize what he's going to do, he'll change it. He also said he'd change the entire ending of the story if the fans predict it, and he's has this ending planned out since day one. Oda just does not like people being able to guess what he's going to do. Which is why he always makes things seem like they are going to go one way, and then does something completely out of left field that nobody expects.

The way I look at it is, if Zoro joins in on the fight against Kaido, then he will not be getting a 1 on 1 fight against any High Tier character, because there is no way he's going to be in any condition to keep fighting if he is just coming off a battle against a Calamity. So the fandom needs to ask themselves, which they want to see. Zoro vs King, or Zoro helping Luffy fight Kaido.

Than why did Zoro help with Oars after beating Ryuma? Stop acting like your Oda. Zoro is a monster and will be potrayed like it by the end of this arc. This is a Luffy and Zoro arc, which shows by the panel time and the amount of time they had woth Wano people.

 

[Zenos7]

That's the interview. He said if fans theorize what he's going to do, he'll change it. He also said he'd change the entire ending of the story if the fans predict it, and he's has this ending planned out since day one. Oda just does not like people being able to guess what he's going to do. Which is why he always makes things seem like they are going to go one way, and then does something completely out of left field that nobody expects.

The way I look at it is, if Zoro joins in on the fight against Kaido, then he will not be getting a 1 on 1 fight against any High Tier character, because there is no way he's going to be in any condition to keep fighting if he is just coming off a battle against a Calamity. So the fandom needs to ask themselves, which they want to see. Zoro vs King, or Zoro helping Luffy fight Kaido.

You got a link for that interview?

Because, as i said, from what i remember what he is saying is very different. Saying he does not read fan theories because he would feel like wanting to change things when fans get them right is not the same as him saying he will change things when fans predict it. Because he doesnt read the theories in the first place.

 

[Afroking]

You got a link for that interview?

Because, as i said, from what i remember what he is saying is very different. Saying he does not read fan theories because he would feel like wanting to change things when fans get them right is not the same as him saying he will change things when fans predict it. Because he doesnt read the theories in the first place.

Eten commented in that thread and I didn't see him say that Oda didn't tell this,so for now no reason,to not believe the Reddit thread..