Who will be the Next Strawhat?


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We already told you, but you are in denial. It's why we're still here talking about it.
Hehe no.


Firstly I wouldn’t take superhero movies as an example as none of them are original work.
Ouch, I think you just killed three or four screenwriters here.


Just rewritten by Hollywood writers who don’t know how to write shit and ruin the work of others.
That video is precisely showing that it is not the fault of screenwriters but producers.


If Oda says that Carrot was never meant to join that means she was not constructed as a strawhat
Illogical. There is two different points in you assertion here. And they are not related to each other.


Also I said constructed as a strawhat, because it is something you say.
Yup


I don’t think that there is a particular way that the strawhats are constructed.
I proved that it was ac tually the case with the 10 pillars. But keep the denial lol



Except you would. Because that's exactly what people in denial do
Sure :cheers:
 
If I were in denial I wouldn't ask you to prove my reasonning and evidences wrong :)
You are asking us to prove that you are reasoning and evidences are wrong while being in denial. This makes it impossible to do so.
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I proved that it was ac tually the case with the 10 pillars. But keep the denial lol
No you believe you proved. But you didn’t as no one here believes you. Do you think a judge would convict someone of murder if the evidences shown would only convince one of the juriere and the other 11 are not convinced?
 
You are asking us to prove that you are reasoning and evidences are wrong while being in denial. This makes it impossible to do so.
Duuuuude, you didn't even tryyyyyy lol
Only Sigran managed to make me move and that was only for minor Pillar that I already had doubts on hehe
Come on. Try.


No you believe you proved. But you didn’t as no one here believes you.
Because no one believes me, its the proof that I didn't prove anything ? Sounds illogical to me lol


Do you think a judge would convict someone of murder if the evidences shown would only convince one of the juriere and the other 11 are not convinced?
Well Sadly the justice system is a little bit broken nowadays.


Is this the only thing you can say when people make a point?
What point ?


hmmm…. should i make my own version of pillar?
YES, Please do ! It might allow me to adjust mines.


Hehe, more like a little caress, he only manage to make me question myself on two pillars which I already had doubts on lol
 
Because no one believes me, it’s the proof that I didn't prove anything ? Sounds illogical to me lol
Let me explain something to you. I say that 2+2=4. Someone says prove that. So I take 2 apples in place and another 2 apples next to it and ask the person to count them together. Tadaa I proved that 2+2=4
Now you said in your theory, that all strawhats have pillars that they share and only they do share all of them. Therefore the next person who does that will join because it means he/she is constructed just like the other strawhats. You claimed that your theory is right and that carrot has all pillars. Now since it is a theory and a theory needs to be proven right. The prove would have been Carrot joining. Since she didn’t join though that’s means that your theory is wrong. And that those pillars are either things that you saw because you wanted to see it or you have missed something else. To speak your language, maybe an additional 2-3 pillars that the strawhats have. Either way your theory is wrong, your logic is wrong, your reasoning is wrong. You don’t have evidence, you have subtext and things you claim to see. But nobody else can see.
 
If I were in denial I wouldn't ask you to prove my reasonning and evidences wrong :)



Its not only a parameter of construction of a strawhat, its a parameters of characterization. i've explained that in detail HERE :

Ok so a bunch of bullshit, ok well my fabulous distraction nakama action (FDA) is not only a parameter of construction, it's a framework of creation, therefore it's even better than your parameters.

- So the FDA creates a bond between the protagonist and a potential SH, by creating a distraction many of Luffy's or other important events in OP were possible, this also correlates with the idea that OP is a distraction for us reader in real life, thus a symbolic narrative to real life connection is estabilished.

- The FDA is symbolic of One Piece, which is a goofy show, another idea of goofyness is wacky distractions or weird antics, so it's also incorporated into the main protagonists.

Here we see Ussop again using distractions to help the main protagonist against Luffy who was unable to deal with Perona on his own ( the cockroaches possibly foreshadowing the introduction of Caribou)


The dual type distraction, One piece divides himself into two tones, whacky and goofy and serious and emotional, so the type of distractions bifurcates too, into goofy and silly distraction, e.g: Ussop introductory fight and serious and emotional or Yamato's fight against Kaido, a pivotal time wasting device for the protagonist to get back up.

We also see Vivi impartign this same type of distraction. In this case she imparts the extreme emotional type. Both distracting Crocodile once to help Luff while imprison and also by distracting the armies in Alabasta to allow the SH to deal with Croco-boy


Finally we have the example of someone like Carrot who uses both sides of this coin, with her FDA being played off as serious and important and later on seeing her goof on Daifuku and his ship, letting the SH escape and allowing Luffy to deal with Katakuri with no worries.


We can also see that as a clear predictor of who is NOT going to become a SH, with the example of a negative FDA or anti-fda ( sometimes pronounced as anti-fa for covienience) , demonstrates who is NOT joining the crew like the example of Gernica, the CP-0 member who's antifa moment was to distract Luffy allowing Kaido to "kill" him, thus going agains the concept of FDA and rulling him out possible nakamas.



It is possible that you can consider his action as a reverse FDA, since his distraction ultimately helped Luffy, but it's still unlikely he is an actual SH candidate , because that nibba dead as hell :mrgo:







You can read more about it in my blog where i detail all of the SH unique FDA moments:

https://www.fda.gov/, (i'm still trying to get the domain name.)

So don't @ me, i have proven my pillar to be correct and to exist, the burden is on you to prove me wrong and i'll also just answer with "cute" everytime who try to debunk my OBJECTIVELY CORRECT PILLAR.
 
You claimed that your theory is right and that carrot has all pillars
Two things again:

1. This time this is not a theory, this is a prediction model. And don't have any conclusion here.
2. Carrot doesn't have all the Pillar. She gets them to an average of 72% just like Vivi (74%)

To get all the Pillar Carrot would need:
- To be rescued by Luffy
- To have a better character arc
- To have a desire
- To be recognized by Luffy

Since she didn’t join though that’s means that your theory is wrong.
No. The conclusion was that because Carrot was the closest to become a strawhat and was mainly constructed like a strawhat therefore Carrot will join after Wano. But this was proven wrong.

The model of prediction is still standing.


And that those pillars are either things that you saw because you wanted to see it or you have missed something else
Or, in the case that Oda changed his vision of Carrot last minute, I was right in my reasonning but wrong in my conclusion. This is not something that you can disprove.


Either way your theory is wrong, your logic is wrong, your reasoning is wrong. You don’t have evidence, you have subtext and things you claim to see. But nobody else can see.
Here, the only thing you are saying is "your conclusion was wrong therefore the evidences presented were unconclusive". In logic, it doesn't work like that. I could be wrong on my conclusion and still have presented conclusive proof of what I was saying in other words that Carrot was mainly constructed like a strawhat.

You therefore need to stop saying that my conclusion was wrong therefore my logic is wrong and start looking at my proof and evidences and debunk them one by one until there is none left and that you have debunked the entire prediction model.

Good luck.

So the FDA creates a bond between the protagonist and a potential SH, by creating a distraction many of Luffy's or other important events in OP were possible
Those two things are unrelated to each others. You are saying:

1. That your FDA is creating a bond between the characters
AND
2. That many event were possible because of this bond.

Point 2 is completely irrelevant when we are talking about characterization but, but we can look to point 1.
Problem: You don't explains how a distraction moment creates a bond between Luffy and the character. And don't explain why this distraction moment is a moment of characterization (and therefore of creation of character, something that all the pillars must be) You need to explain that.

"Here we see Ussop again using distractions to help the main protagonist against Luffy who was unable to deal with Perona on his own ( the cockroaches possibly foreshadowing the introduction of Caribou)"

This sentence doesn't mean much. What do you mean by "Usopp is creating a distraction to help the main protagonist against Luffy" Also, this is not how foreshadowing works (but that's a detail)

The dual type distraction,
Wait, what is this, a new pillar or a sub parameter in you FDA ?


The dual type distraction, One piece divides himself into two tones, whacky and goofy and serious and emotional, so the type of distractions bifurcates too, into goofy and silly distraction, e.g: Ussop introductory fight and serious and emotional or Yamato's fight against Kaido, a pivotal time wasting device for the protagonist to get back up.
Wait! You still haven't explain what do you mean by "distraction". I still don't know what plot point you are talking about here. If you want to explain that, you must do it at the beginning of your pillar.

For this post, I'll consider that you are saying that all the strawhats are ... "distracting the enemy" ? And that you are looking to this specific plot point ?

I still don't understand how a distraction is helping in the characterization of a character. Can you explain ?


We also see Vivi impartign this same type of distraction. In this case she imparts the extreme emotional type. Both distracting Crocodile once to help Luff while imprison and also by distracting the armies in Alabasta to allow the SH to deal with Croco-boy
You are losing me. I still don't know how a distraction relates to the characterization of a character.


We can also see that as a clear predictor of who is NOT going to become a SH, with the example of a negative FDA or anti-fda ( sometimes pronounced as anti-fa for covienience) , demonstrates who is NOT joining the crew like the example of Gernica, the CP-0 member who's antifa moment was to distract Luffy allowing Kaido to "kill" him, thus going agains the concept of FDA and rulling him out possible nakamas.
wut ?


who try to debunk my OBJECTIVELY CORRECT PILLAR.
We are not even there yet, I'm trying to understand your Pillar lol


But you are trying, which is something that I respect.
 
This reminded me of the good old times and of this of course

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This time this is not a theory, this is a prediction model. And don't have any conclusion here.
So your prediction model only correct once you manage to predict something using until that it is not fact it’s theoretical. And history says it’s wrong.
The model of prediction is still standing.
Never was
You therefore need to stop saying that my conclusion was wrong therefore my logic is wrong and start looking at my proof and evidences and debunk them one by one until there is none left and that you have debunked the entire prediction model.
I don’t need to stop saying that because I debunked your first pillar. But you didn’t accept it. The current strawhats don’t all have antagonistic introductions and you can say that the word might not be right. But that just means you change what you said just so you can keep claiming to be right.
also your last pillar is just bullshit. Shining Nakama action is cringe as fuck. It doesn’t hold a candle to my glowing friendship activity column.
 
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Those two things are unrelated to each others. You are saying:

1. That your FDA is creating a bond between the characters
AND
2. That many event were possible because of this bond.
No, you completly missunderstood my logic, read it again.


Point 2 is completely irrelevant when we are talking about characterization but, but we can look to point 1.
Problem: You don't explains how a distraction moment creates a bond between Luffy and the character. And don't explain why this distraction moment is a moment of characterization (and therefore of creation of character, something that all the pillars must be) You need to explain that.
It creates a bond because it's an action benefiting Luffy, in dire situations, a distraction towards an enemy matters between life and death situations. You clearly don't understand the subtext of one piece characters sacrificing themselves for a greater good of the protagonist. You don't understand self-sacrifice characterization, clearly. These distractions came at the risk/expense of the character.

https://aeon.co/essays/wars-are-won-by-people-willing-to-fight-for-comrade-and-cause

Atonement and Self-Sacrifice in Nineteenth-Century Narrative

I suggest you read this book and get back to me, when you're educated on the subject.


This sentence doesn't mean much. What do you mean by "Usopp is creating a distraction to help the main protagonist against Luffy" Also, this is not how foreshadowing works (but that's a detail)

Ussop went to defeat Perona, to serve as distraction for the other characters, we saw canonically that Perona was able to defeat all of the SH with no issues, so Ussop, knowing he still didn't stand a chance, went to serve as a distraction to stop Perona.

This has been explained how it's a reinforcement of FDAs because Ussop was already a member of the SH, you are purposely ignoring the pre-SH examples of Yamato/vivi and carrot.



Wait, what is this, a new pillar or a sub parameter in you FDA ?
Yes obviously, you can have diferent types of FDA.


Wait! You still haven't explain what do you mean by "distraction". I still don't know what plot point you are talking about here. If you want to explain that, you must do it at the beginning of your pillar.

Who says it's a pillar? FDA is a narrative bastion not a pillar. And i explained it at the start, distraction is defined in Oxford as "] a thing that takes your attention away from what you are doing or thinking about ". Tha'ts the basis of entertainment or in this case manga, the SH candidates perform important distractions that aid Luffy and the Story.


For this post, I'll consider that you are saying that all the strawhats are ... "distracting the enemy" ? And that you are looking to this specific plot point ?
There are several plot points that i have listed in my reply that relied on distractions, Yamato distracting Kaido untill Luffy gets back up, Carrot distracting Daifuku so he doesn't focus his atacks on the Sunny.

I already gave objective examples of these points, if you don't understand them it's not my fault.


I still don't understand how a distraction is helping in the characterization of a character. Can you explain ?

You are losing me. I still don't know how a distraction relates to the characterization of a character.
I have, scroll up.


If that's your response to evidence, ok :zosleepy:

We are not even there yet, I'm trying to understand your Pillar lol
Hrhm-hrm, it's a bastion sir not a pillar


But you are trying, which is something that I respect.
Cute :), sounds like you have an issue with people confident in their reasoning when it's based on logic
 
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