Who will be the Next Strawhat?


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So your prediction model only correct once you manage to predict something using until that it is not fact it’s theoretical. And history says it’s wrong.
Ow. You indeed have a point here. Its indeed just a theoretical model for now.


Maybe, maybe not. Prove it.


I debunked your first pillar.
Lol nop. You tried, but failed.


you can say that the word might not be right. But that just means you change what you said just so you can keep claiming to be right.
The form doesn't change the substance mate.


Shining Nakama action is cringe as fuck
ok


so when people criticize it you ask them if they can do better.
Yes, taht's how logic work. When a theory is presented, you need either to debunk it or present a better theory to prove it wrong. My theoretical model is solid, you need to prove that my evidences are non conclusive.

No, you completly missunderstood my logic, read it again.
Already did, still don't understand. Please, be clearer.


It creates a bond because it's an action benefiting Luffy,
What ? This is not what characterization means mate.


You clearly don't understand the subtext of one piece characters sacrificing themselves for a greater good of the protagonist. You don't understand self-sacrifice characterization, clearly. These distractions came at the risk/expense of the character.
lol good one


Ussop went to defeat Perona, to serve as distraction for the other characters, we saw canonically that Perona was able to defeat all of the SH with no issues, so Ussop, knowing he still didn't stand a chance, went to serve as a distraction to stop Perona.
Okay I understand it better. Now can you explain how does this act as a characterization ?


Yes obviously, you can have diferent types of FDA.
Noted


Who says it's a pillar? FDA is a narrative bastion not a pillar. And i explained it at the start, distraction is defined in Oxford as "] a thing that takes your attention away from what you are doing or thinking about ". Tha'ts the basis of entertainment or in this case manga, the SH candidates perform important distractions that aid Luffy and the Story.
I understand it now better because of your explanation. But can you explain to me how this acts as a characterization point please ?


There are several plot points that i have listed in my reply that relied on distractions, Yamato distracting Kaido untill Luffy gets back up, Carrot distracting Daifuku so he doesn't focus his atacks on the Sunny.
Can you quote me a distraction for all the strawhats please ? (and explain how this acts as a cahracterization moment ?)


Cute :), sounds like you have an issue with people confident in their reasoning when it's based on logic
lol


That's the thing bro, He doesn't think anybody else but him is or can be correct. It's Narcissism 101
I'm actually taking his point very seriously (even if he doesn't). I could have genuinly missed something so I'm open to the discussion. Basic logic.
 
Ow. You indeed have a point here. Its indeed just a theoretical model for now.



Maybe, maybe not. Prove it.



Lol nop. You tried, but failed.



The form doesn't change the substance mate.



ok



Yes, taht's how logic work. When a theory is presented, you need either to debunk it or present a better theory to prove it wrong. My theoretical model is solid, you need to prove that my evidences are non conclusive.


Already did, still don't understand. Please, be clearer.



What ? This is not what characterization means mate.



lol good one



Okay I understand it better. Now can you explain how does this act as a characterization ?



Noted



I understand it now better because of your explanation. But can you explain to me how this acts as a characterization point please ?



Can you quote me a distraction for all the strawhats please ? (and explain how this acts as a cahracterization moment ?)



lol



I'm actually taking his point very seriously (even if he doesn't). I could have genuinly missed something so I'm open to the discussion. Basic logic.
Basic logic my ass. Logic and you are like Polar opposites.
 
No, you completly missunderstood my logic, read it again.




It creates a bond because it's an action benefiting Luffy, in dire situations, a distraction towards an enemy matters between life and death situations. You clearly don't understand the subtext of one piece characters sacrificing themselves for a greater good of the protagonist. You don't understand self-sacrifice characterization, clearly. These distractions came at the risk/expense of the character.

https://aeon.co/essays/wars-are-won-by-people-willing-to-fight-for-comrade-and-cause

Atonement and Self-Sacrifice in Nineteenth-Century Narrative

I suggest you read this book and get back to me, when you're educated on the subject.





Ussop went to defeat Perona, to serve as distraction for the other characters, we saw canonically that Perona was able to defeat all of the SH with no issues, so Ussop, knowing he still didn't stand a chance, went to serve as a distraction to stop Perona.

This has been explained how it's a reinforcement of FDAs because Ussop was already a member of the SH, you are purposely ignoring the pre-SH examples of Yamato/vivi and carrot.





Yes obviously, you can have diferent types of FDA.





Who says it's a pillar? FDA is a narrative bastion not a pillar. And i explained it at the start, distraction is defined in Oxford as "] a thing that takes your attention away from what you are doing or thinking about ". Tha'ts the basis of entertainment or in this case manga, the SH candidates perform important distractions that aid Luffy and the Story.




There are several plot points that i have listed in my reply that relied on distractions, Yamato distracting Kaido untill Luffy gets back up, Carrot distracting Daifuku so he doesn't focus his atacks on the Sunny.

I already gave objective examples of these points, if you don't understand them it's not my fault.




I have, scroll up.




If that's your response to evidence, ok :zosleepy:



Hrhm-hrm, it's a bastion sir not a pillar




Cute :), sounds like you have an issue with people confident in their reasoning when it's based on logic
This is art :catsweat:
 
Going to just ignore all this nonsense and have a look at the "Egghead Hopefuls"

Bonney
+ Worst Generation member
+ Unique combat ability
+ Central focus of the arc
+ Active interaction with several of the strawhats (Luffy, Chopper, Jinbei, Sanj, Franky)
+ Has flashback going
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No position
- No clear dream

Vegapunk
+ Scientist
+ 5 bodies (increases the likelihood of potentially one joining)
+ Flashbacks
+ Clear Dream
+ active interaction with every strawhat
+ Central Focus in the arc
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No combat ability

Stussy
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats (Sanji and Jinbei)
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No Flashback
- No Central Focus in the arc
- No Position
- No clear dream
- Has not interacted with Luffy

Lucci
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats
- No flashback
- No Central Focus in the arc
- No Position
- No Clear Dream
- Actively trying to kill several strawhats and allies of Luffy
- Hates Luffy

Kizaru
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats
+ Flashbacks
+ Somewhat Central Focus in the arc
- No position
- No clear dream
- Actively trying to kill allies of Luffy
 
Going to just ignore all this nonsense and have a look at the "Egghead Hopefuls"

Bonney
+ Worst Generation member
+ Unique combat ability
+ Central focus of the arc
+ Active interaction with several of the strawhats (Luffy, Chopper, Jinbei, Sanj, Franky)
+ Has flashback going
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No position
- No clear dream

Vegapunk
+ Scientist
+ 5 bodies (increases the likelihood of potentially one joining)
+ Flashbacks
+ Clear Dream
+ active interaction with every strawhat
+ Central Focus in the arc
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No combat ability

Stussy
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats (Sanji and Jinbei)
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No Flashback
- No Central Focus in the arc
- No Position
- No clear dream
- Has not interacted with Luffy

Lucci
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats
- No flashback
- No Central Focus in the arc
- No Position
- No Clear Dream
- Actively trying to kill several strawhats and allies of Luffy
- Hates Luffy

Kizaru
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats
+ Flashbacks
+ Somewhat Central Focus in the arc
- No position
- No clear dream
- Actively trying to kill allies of Luffy
All of them have better chances then Carrot ever had
 
Going to just ignore all this nonsense and have a look at the "Egghead Hopefuls"

Bonney
+ Worst Generation member
+ Unique combat ability
+ Central focus of the arc
+ Active interaction with several of the strawhats (Luffy, Chopper, Jinbei, Sanj, Franky)
+ Has flashback going
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No position
- No clear dream

Vegapunk
+ Scientist
+ 5 bodies (increases the likelihood of potentially one joining)
+ Flashbacks
+ Clear Dream
+ active interaction with every strawhat
+ Central Focus in the arc
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No combat ability

Stussy
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats (Sanji and Jinbei)
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No Flashback
- No Central Focus in the arc
- No Position
- No clear dream
- Has not interacted with Luffy

Lucci
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats
- No flashback
- No Central Focus in the arc
- No Position
- No Clear Dream
- Actively trying to kill several strawhats and allies of Luffy
- Hates Luffy

Kizaru
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats
+ Flashbacks
+ Somewhat Central Focus in the arc
- No position
- No clear dream
- Actively trying to kill allies of Luffy
Yes like I said, Kizaru is the most viable option at this point
 
Going to just ignore all this nonsense and have a look at the "Egghead Hopefuls"

Bonney
+ Worst Generation member
+ Unique combat ability
+ Central focus of the arc
+ Active interaction with several of the strawhats (Luffy, Chopper, Jinbei, Sanj, Franky)
+ Has flashback going
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No position
- No clear dream

Vegapunk
+ Scientist
+ 5 bodies (increases the likelihood of potentially one joining)
+ Flashbacks
+ Clear Dream
+ active interaction with every strawhat
+ Central Focus in the arc
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No combat ability

Stussy
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats (Sanji and Jinbei)
+ Leaving the island with SH
- No Flashback
- No Central Focus in the arc
- No Position
- No clear dream
- Has not interacted with Luffy

Lucci
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats
- No flashback
- No Central Focus in the arc
- No Position
- No Clear Dream
- Actively trying to kill several strawhats and allies of Luffy
- Hates Luffy

Kizaru
+ Unique Combat ability
+ Has interacted with a few strawhats
+ Flashbacks
+ Somewhat Central Focus in the arc
- No position
- No clear dream
- Actively trying to kill allies of Luffy
Would Vivi be considered a “Egghead Hopeful” if she appeared during it? :choppawhat:
 
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