General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
There might be nothing at all and it could simply be a writing artefacts..
..but some things are too strange:
So... Oda had ALL THOSE THINGS in mind in ZOu and what those things are .. are the link of Carrot with the theme of the link between the night and the day. In another word, the Dawn.
This means if if allows us to go farther, that he most probably also had in mind that Carrot would become the QUEEN/RULER of Zou.
And.... spoiler.. Everything here.. checks out. And is perfectly logical and we need no more explanation.
BUT
1. Oda also put Carrot in focus on the LOOK OUT post. Something he didn't have to do. And this is not a little focus like one or two chapters, its a long term milking of her skills and her post from her introduction to the end of Whole cake.
2. Oda choosed to let Carrot be with the strawhat the ENTIRE Wano time. EVEN when she is not on screen. This is not logical. If she is meant to be the queen of the minks, there is no reason to put her with the strawhats on multiple occasion and furthermore to put her in moment with the strawhats like this one:
3. If Carrot is meant to rule the Mokokomokomo komo kindgom, then the logical thing to do for Oda during whole cake and Wano would be:
> To make her win her fights
> To build up her leadership skills
Again, its almost a certainty that Oda planned for Carrot to become Queen from the beginning so those things shouldve been in Whole cake.
But he did the OPPOSITE
> He make her loses her fight MULTIPLE time
> He challenged her innocence
> He constructed her like a naive person
> He puts her under others leadership like Chopper.
---
So there are THREE points of mysteries surrounding Carrot's writing that needs to be explained. And the two most simplest answer are those ones:
- Either Carrot is meant to become a better ruler later and have a shining moment in the story again and something related to the dawn
- Either Carrot will discover that she is not meant to lead Zou, but to follow her desire for adventure and follow the strawhats.
..but some things are too strange:
- Carrot appeared October 26, 2015 we only have the confirmation that she was under Pedro's September 16, 2017 and we have the official colors of Carrot on volume 81 released April 4, 2016. So there is at least 1 year between the fact that Oda knew Carrot was under Pedro and the actual confirmation.
> This means that Oda had probably already in mind the fact that Pedro was the mentor of Carrot and also that he was gonna die under Carrot eyes and the impact it had on her the moment he started creating Carrot. That possibility is important because it tells us a lot about the creationg of this "side character".
- In chapter 811 released on January 4, 2016, Carrot is confirmed to be a Kingsbird. At this point we know that Oda already had probably in mind the fact that Carrot was coming on the sea for a long time. But this is used for Carrot to hear the story of Pekom and setup her entrance later.
> But this is also ANOTHER indication that Carrot makes the link between night and day. For all we know, Oda couldve written Carrot as part of the guardians but he choose specifically to make her a musketteer and appear earlier.
> Also note that at this point Oda had already Sulong in mind. And looking at the way he constructed Carrot he most probably had also in mind the fact that Carrot would be the first and most impressive Sulong moment in the Manga. Meaning that 888 was ALREADY (most likely) planned at the beginning of Zou.
-- > Now we also need to point out different things. First the characterization of Carrot. Oda had already in mind the double and radical change in personnality in Carrot, one representing the SUN, the other representing the MOON. Secondly, Oda made Carrot a rabbit, and rabbit are crepuscular (I'm sure Oda knows that as he love them) meaning that they are most active at DUSK and DAWN. And thirdly, Carrot inherited Pedro's will, the will of the captain of the NOX pirates.So... Oda had ALL THOSE THINGS in mind in ZOu and what those things are .. are the link of Carrot with the theme of the link between the night and the day. In another word, the Dawn.
This means if if allows us to go farther, that he most probably also had in mind that Carrot would become the QUEEN/RULER of Zou.
And.... spoiler.. Everything here.. checks out. And is perfectly logical and we need no more explanation.
BUT
1. Oda also put Carrot in focus on the LOOK OUT post. Something he didn't have to do. And this is not a little focus like one or two chapters, its a long term milking of her skills and her post from her introduction to the end of Whole cake.
2. Oda choosed to let Carrot be with the strawhat the ENTIRE Wano time. EVEN when she is not on screen. This is not logical. If she is meant to be the queen of the minks, there is no reason to put her with the strawhats on multiple occasion and furthermore to put her in moment with the strawhats like this one:
3. If Carrot is meant to rule the Mokokomokomo komo kindgom, then the logical thing to do for Oda during whole cake and Wano would be:
> To make her win her fights
> To build up her leadership skills
Again, its almost a certainty that Oda planned for Carrot to become Queen from the beginning so those things shouldve been in Whole cake.
But he did the OPPOSITE
> He make her loses her fight MULTIPLE time
> He challenged her innocence
> He constructed her like a naive person
> He puts her under others leadership like Chopper.
---
So there are THREE points of mysteries surrounding Carrot's writing that needs to be explained. And the two most simplest answer are those ones:
- Either Carrot is meant to become a better ruler later and have a shining moment in the story again and something related to the dawn
- Either Carrot will discover that she is not meant to lead Zou, but to follow her desire for adventure and follow the strawhats.
Ok I understand. I dont agree with you that Carrot is special and imo you extremely overanalize Carrot but I understand you better now. We all are biased somehow and we all have our reasonings. You are just a bit more special than the average here. I will not attack you anymore, though I will still enjoy the memes about Carrot and pillars and whatnot. Glad you are a hard nut to crack to my entertainment.
At least you admit that maybe you are overanalysing Carrot. Thats something.
For reasons I cant tell right now, I'm less confident for Bonney joining. Caribou I never believed in but as a fan of "we need a Logia in the crew" there was a small hope. But all hope gone now after Oda saying he did not hear Luffy's dream.
But in return that means knowing Luffy's second dream is something only really important characters should know. Yamato knows it hmmโฆ
For reasons I cant tell right now, I'm less confident for Bonney joining. Caribou I never believed in but as a fan of "we need a Logia in the crew" there was a small hope. But all hope gone now after Oda saying he did not hear Luffy's dream.
But in return that means knowing Luffy's second dream is something only really important characters should know. Yamato knows it hmmโฆ
Of course, its completely possible. But look at what I said to sigran:
From a storytelling perspective, there is a narrative paradoxe:
- Carrot is constructed as a Queen
And at the same time
- Carrot is constructed as the opposite of a Queen
This is not logical. UNLESS.. unless if Carrot is meant to become a BETTER Queen and have a relationship to the dawn in the story later OR if Carrot is meant to join the crew later.
There might be nothing at all and it could simply be a writing artefacts..
..but some things are too strange:
- Carrot appeared October 26, 2015 we only have the confirmation that she was under Pedro's September 16, 2017 and we have the official colors of Carrot on volume 81 released April 4, 2016. So there is at least 1 year between the fact that Oda knew Carrot was under Pedro and the actual confirmation.> This means that Oda had probably already in mind the fact that Pedro was the mentor of Carrot and also that he was gonna die under Carrot eyes and the impact it had on her the moment he started creating Carrot. That possibility is important because it tells us a lot about the creationg of this "side character".- In chapter 811 released on January 4, 2016, Carrot is confirmed to be a Kingsbird. At this point we know that Oda already had probably in mind the fact that Carrot was coming on the sea for a long time. But this is used for Carrot to hear the story of Pekom and setup her entrance later.> But this is also ANOTHER indication that Carrot makes the link between night and day. For all we know, Oda couldve written Carrot as part of the guardians but he choose specifically to make her a musketteer and appear earlier.> Also note that at this point Oda had already Sulong in mind. And looking at the way he constructed Carrot he most probably had also in mind the fact that Carrot would be the first and most impressive Sulong moment in the Manga. Meaning that 888 was ALREADY (most likely) planned at the beginning of Zou.-- > Now we also need to point out different things. First the characterization of Carrot. Oda had already in mind the double and radical change in personnality in Carrot, one representing the SUN, the other representing the MOON. Secondly, Oda made Carrot a rabbit, and rabbit are crepuscular (I'm sure Oda knows that as he love them) meaning that they are most active at DUSK and DAWN. And thirdly, Carrot inherited Pedro's will, the will of the captain of the NOX pirates.
So... Oda had ALL THOSE THINGS in mind in ZOu and what those things are .. are the link of Carrot with the theme of the link between the night and the day. In another word, the Dawn.
This means if if allows us to go farther, that he most probably also had in mind that Carrot would become the QUEEN/RULER of Zou.
And.... spoiler.. Everything here.. checks out. And is perfectly logical and we need no more explanation.
BUT
1. Oda also put Carrot in focus on the LOOK OUT post. Something he didn't have to do. And this is not a little focus like one or two chapters, its a long term milking of her skills and her post from her introduction to the end of Whole cake.
2. Oda choosed to let Carrot be with the strawhat the ENTIRE Wano time. EVEN when she is not on screen. This is not logical. If she is meant to be the queen of the minks, there is no reason to put her with the strawhats on multiple occasion and furthermore to put her in moment with the strawhats like this one:
3. If Carrot is meant to rule the Mokokomokomo komo kindgom, then the logical thing to do for Oda during whole cake and Wano would be:
> To make her win her fights
> To build up her leadership skills
Again, its almost a certainty that Oda planned for Carrot to become Queen from the beginning so those things shouldve been in Whole cake.
But he did the OPPOSITE
> He make her loses her fight MULTIPLE time
> He challenged her innocence
> He constructed her like a naive person
> He puts her under others leadership like Chopper.
---
So there are THREE points of mysteries surrounding Carrot's writing that needs to be explained. And the two most simplest answer are those ones:
- Either Carrot is meant to become a better ruler later and have a shining moment in the story again and something related to the dawn
- Either Carrot will discover that she is not meant to lead Zou, but to follow her desire for adventure and follow the strawhats.
..but some things are too strange:
- Carrot appeared October 26, 2015 we only have the confirmation that she was under Pedro's September 16, 2017 and we have the official colors of Carrot on volume 81 released April 4, 2016. So there is at least 1 year between the fact that Oda knew Carrot was under Pedro and the actual confirmation.> This means that Oda had probably already in mind the fact that Pedro was the mentor of Carrot and also that he was gonna die under Carrot eyes and the impact it had on her the moment he started creating Carrot. That possibility is important because it tells us a lot about the creationg of this "side character".- In chapter 811 released on January 4, 2016, Carrot is confirmed to be a Kingsbird. At this point we know that Oda already had probably in mind the fact that Carrot was coming on the sea for a long time. But this is used for Carrot to hear the story of Pekom and setup her entrance later.> But this is also ANOTHER indication that Carrot makes the link between night and day. For all we know, Oda couldve written Carrot as part of the guardians but he choose specifically to make her a musketteer and appear earlier.> Also note that at this point Oda had already Sulong in mind. And looking at the way he constructed Carrot he most probably had also in mind the fact that Carrot would be the first and most impressive Sulong moment in the Manga. Meaning that 888 was ALREADY (most likely) planned at the beginning of Zou.-- > Now we also need to point out different things. First the characterization of Carrot. Oda had already in mind the double and radical change in personnality in Carrot, one representing the SUN, the other representing the MOON. Secondly, Oda made Carrot a rabbit, and rabbit are crepuscular (I'm sure Oda knows that as he love them) meaning that they are most active at DUSK and DAWN. And thirdly, Carrot inherited Pedro's will, the will of the captain of the NOX pirates.
So... Oda had ALL THOSE THINGS in mind in ZOu and what those things are .. are the link of Carrot with the theme of the link between the night and the day. In another word, the Dawn.
This means if if allows us to go farther, that he most probably also had in mind that Carrot would become the QUEEN/RULER of Zou.
And.... spoiler.. Everything here.. checks out. And is perfectly logical and we need no more explanation.
BUT
1. Oda also put Carrot in focus on the LOOK OUT post. Something he didn't have to do. And this is not a little focus like one or two chapters, its a long term milking of her skills and her post from her introduction to the end of Whole cake.
2. Oda choosed to let Carrot be with the strawhat the ENTIRE Wano time. EVEN when she is not on screen. This is not logical. If she is meant to be the queen of the minks, there is no reason to put her with the strawhats on multiple occasion and furthermore to put her in moment with the strawhats like this one:
3. If Carrot is meant to rule the Mokokomokomo komo kindgom, then the logical thing to do for Oda during whole cake and Wano would be:
> To make her win her fights
> To build up her leadership skills
Again, its almost a certainty that Oda planned for Carrot to become Queen from the beginning so those things shouldve been in Whole cake.
But he did the OPPOSITE
> He make her loses her fight MULTIPLE time
> He challenged her innocence
> He constructed her like a naive person
> He puts her under others leadership like Chopper.
---
So there are THREE points of mysteries surrounding Carrot's writing that needs to be explained. And the two most simplest answer are those ones:
- Either Carrot is meant to become a better ruler later and have a shining moment in the story again and something related to the dawn
- Either Carrot will discover that she is not meant to lead Zou, but to follow her desire for adventure and follow the strawhats.
- Carrot is constructed as a Queen
And at the same time
- Carrot is constructed as the opposite of a Queen
This is not logical. UNLESS.. unless if Carrot is meant to become a BETTER Queen and have a relationship to the dawn in the story later OR if Carrot is meant to join the crew later.
You know what i'm just going to say it Bonney is boring as fuck.
And if we're using the "who heard Luffy's dream" metric, then Vivi didn't hear it either, a lot of people don't bring that up.
And if we're using the "who heard Luffy's dream" metric, then Vivi didn't hear it either, a lot of people don't bring that up.
That said, #Kumafornakama. Just think of how many pillars he can get
