General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Berry Rich]

1. Would Carrot's nakama chances diminish if Pedro's currently alive?
2. What is Pedro's percentage using the pillar system, if he were alive? I expect a hilarious response.
3. Lookout is a subset position of Ship Guard. Think about it. A lookout watches for hazards or things of interest. A ship guard protects the ship. So a ship guard can be a lookout.
4. I believe the Strawhat Grand Fleet will help in Egghead Arc. Still waiting on that event alluded to in Dressrosa...

Spoiler

10 Strawhats + Egghead allies + 5600 SHGF + new recruits? + Caribou? + Kuma? should be enough firepower to contend with 30,000 WG soldiers and help the main crew escape

 

[Logiko]

1. Would Carrot's nakama chances diminish if Pedro's currently alive?

Nop. Pedro would simply pass the torch by himself.

2. What is Pedro's percentage using the pillar system, if he were alive? I expect a hilarious response.

For Pedro if he were alive:

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% Check
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% Check
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% Half 4%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% His character arc is not really that strong if he doesn't die so Half 4%
5. The Rescue. 10% Nothing 0%
6. A Tragedy. 11% Check 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Half 6%
8. The Dream 13% Check 13%
9. The Post. 14% Check 14%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% Nothing 0%

Pedro if alive would be at 60% and 70% If you consider that the minks were saved by Luffy.

3. Lookout is a subset position of Ship Guard. Think about it. A lookout watches for hazards or things of interest. A ship guard protects the ship. So a ship guard can be a lookout.

Agreed

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

Well Bonneys definitely joining the revs.

Following in her father’s footsteps

Literally see no reason why she would join the SHs over that.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Well Bonneys definitely joining the revs.

This lets Bonney be a direct Straw Hat ally, too, which works for me. I just want her to be relevent going forward, at times where it makes sense.

 

[Berry Rich]

Nop. Pedro would simply pass the torch by himself.



For Pedro if he were alive:

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% Check
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% Check
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% Half 4%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% His character arc is not really that strong if he doesn't die so Half 4%
5. The Rescue. 10% Nothing 0%
6. A Tragedy. 11% Check 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Half 6%
8. The Dream 13% Check 13%
9. The Post. 14% Check 14%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% Nothing 0%

Pedro if alive would be at 60% and 70% If you consider that the minks were saved by Luffy.




Agreed

Pass the torch? Now why do that when it was his dream to travel with the Pirate King Roger? Pedro should want to ride with Luffy if he believes Luffy is similar to Roger. Carrot has shown no inclination to learn about Roger nor knew much about Pedro before Tottoland.

4. For Character Arc, he interacts and bonds with Luffy, Nami, Chopper, Sanji, Brook, and Jinbe. Plus Pedro has a past with Tottoland.

5. Minks rescued by Curlyhat Pirates. Deserves at least partial credit if not full.

10. For Shining Nakama Action, wouldn't Pedro hurting Perospero therefore freeing the Sunny and crew count towards as the Ship Guard?

 

[Logiko]

Pass the torch? Now why do that when it was his dream to travel with the Pirate King Roger?

Because One Piece is about passing the torch to the young generation. Pedro has already passed the torch of the lookout post to Carrot. So if he were alive, he would pass his will too. Simple logic.

Carrot has shown no inclination to learn about Roger nor knew much about Pedro before Tottoland.

We don't know about that.

4. For Character Arc, he interacts and bonds with Luffy, Nami, Chopper, Sanji, Brook, and Jinbe. Plus Pedro has a past with Tottoland.

he doesn't make his character arc a strong one. Compare for example the character arc of Kuma and Pedro, you will see that they are on a completely different scale.

5. Minks rescued by Curlyhat Pirates. Deserves at least partial credit if not full.

The rescue is about Luffy saving the strawhats, not a simple coincidence of time.

10. For Shining Nakama Action, wouldn't Pedro hurting Perospero therefore freeing the Sunny and crew count towards as the Ship Guard?

No. This has nothing to do with the post. And Pedro is dead because of that.

 

[Monkey D Al]

What was Carrots score again? I forgot.

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

What was Carrots score again? I forgot.

A bazillion

 

[Logiko]

What was Carrots score again? I forgot.

72% For Carrot

Let's see for Vivi as she was ahead before:

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% Check 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% Check 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% 3/4 6%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% Check 9%
5. The Rescue. 10% Check 10%
6. A Tragedy. 11% Check now 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Check 12%
8. The Dream/Desire 13% Nothing 0%
9. The Post. 14% Nothing 0%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% Nothing 0%
    

56 % For Vivi now with the new system.

 

[Monkey D Al]

And Yamatos?

 

[Logiko]

And Yamatos?

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% Check 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% Check 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% Check 8%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% Check 9%
5. The Rescue. 10% Only half as this was not really a rescue per say 5%
6. A Tragedy. 11% Check 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Check 12%
8. The Dream/Desire 13% Yamato has no dream she only has desires, so half 6%
9. The Post. 14% Nothing 0%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% Nothing 0%

Yamato gets 59 %

 

[Berry Rich]

Because One Piece is about passing the torch to the young generation. Pedro has already passed the torch of the lookout post to Carrot. So if he were alive, he would pass his will too. Simple logic.



We don't know about that.



he doesn't make his character arc a strong one. Compare for example the character arc of Kuma and Pedro, you will see that they are on a completely different scale.



The rescue is about Luffy saving the strawhats, not a simple coincidence of time.



No. This has nothing to do with the post. And Pedro is dead because of that.

So Robin, Franky, Brook, and Jinbe are the younger generation that received a torch? No, so that logic does not apply to crewmate recruitment.

We know that Carrot has not been shown on panel asking a single question about Pedro's previous travels or about Roger before Tottoland. Actually, did she ever ask anything about Roger? The Dawn?? The Nox Pirates???

Kuma has a longer flashback and character building pre-recruitment than most if not all Strawhats. Not a fair assessment.

"Presumed" dead. And it does pertain to the post of Ship Guard. He protected the ship from candy and Big Mom at the time. A Ship Guard does more than a Lookout. You agreed Lookout was a subset of Ship Guard.


And how does Carrot have a higher percentage than Pedro???

 

[Logiko]

So Robin, Franky, Brook, and Jinbe are the younger generation that received a torch?

Exactly.
Tom > Franky
Ohara > Robin
Rumbar > Brook
Fisher Tiger/Otohime > Jinbe

Younger in term of passage of torch.

We know that Carrot has not been shown on panel asking a single question about Pedro's previous travels or about Roger before Tottoland. Actually, did she ever ask anything about Roger? The Dawn?? The Nox Pirates???

This was not your statement. Your statement was "Carrot is not interested in the past of Pedro", the fact that she doesn't know something doesn't mean she is not interested in it.

Kuma has a longer flashback and character building pre-recruitment than most if not all Strawhats. Not a fair assessment.

The flashback of Kuma started three chapter ago.

"Presumed" dead. And it does pertain to the post of Ship Guard. He protected the ship from candy and Big Mom at the time. A Ship Guard does more than a Lookout. You agreed Lookout was a subset of Ship Guard.

He didn't garded the ship, he saved the crew.

And how does Carrot have a higher percentage than Pedro???

Symbolic reach + Post + Shining Nakama action

 

[Monkey D Al]

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% Check 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% Check 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% Check 8%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% Check 9%
5. The Rescue. 10% Only half as this was not really a rescue per say 5%
6. A Tragedy. 11% Check 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Check 12%
8. The Dream/Desire 13% Yamato has no dream she only has desires, so half 6%
9. The Post. 14% Nothing 0%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% Nothing 0%

Yamato gets 59 %

And the real scores? Oh wait Yamato has an invitation 1- 0 carrot doesn’t

 

[Logiko]

And the real scores? Oh wait Yamato has an invitation 1- 0 carrot doesn’t

This is the double Nakama link.

 

[Sigran101]

But Carrot doesn't have a dream or at least not a real one. That's the point, she doesn't have a desire beside adventure. So of course the dream of Sanji is stronger.

Fine then, it's stronger than a dream like Momo's to open Wano's border. The recent dream just isn't nearly as strong.

No. Yamato, Pedro and Momo did too.

No. Yamato's flashback didn't mention her dream of opening Wano's borders, and Pedro and Momo didn't have their own flashbacks. A cameo in someone else's flashback is obviously not what I'm talking about. I'm saying the way Kuma's flashback is structured is only for strawhats. An event spanning several chapters that shows the character as a child as they form their dream for the first time, details the tragedy that shaped their lives, and sets up their villain for Luffy to fight. Not every strawhat has all of this, but no non-strawhat has all of it. Another way you can see this is how his flashback has nothing to do with the current conflict. It also involves major factions and characters like God's Knights, Roger, Garp, the Rocks Pirates, and the revolutionaries, but none of them are really important. It's all about Kuma and establishing his character, tragedy, and dream.

Indeed, this was confirmed this chapter. I'll therefore change that.

It was confirmed 2 chapters ago but as long as you see it now.

Sorry but for the strawhat, this is not a viable post. Being shipguard would means missing the action. Its therefore not a job that could fit the Sunny.

The ship guard doesn't have to never set foot off the Sunny. It just means that's his priority. He probably wouldn't run off to adventure the second they set foot on a hostile island, but he could go with them when there's no immediate danger. And when there is danger, the action always reaches the Sunny. Don't forget he can instantly return to the Sunny with his power even if he's on the other side of the island. He can still be important in every arc while protecting the ship.

Now.

I was thinking about this for a long time:

The need all important it is, is too dependable to interpretation at this stage of the story (All the strawhats have one, but researching the need in other character is quite inequal). And I agree with you that the strong desire (what you call the dream) is something that is actually less common. So I will erease the need from the Pillar. Which will only let the dream. I will put the dream above the double Nakama link (and not above the post).

That should give us something like that:

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8%
4. A Strong character arc. 9%
5. The Rescue. 10%
6. A Tragedy. 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12%
8. The Dream 13%
9. The Post. 14%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15%

In that case for Kuma:

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% Check 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% Check 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% Check 8%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% Check 9%
5. The Rescue. 10% None 0%
6. A Tragedy. 11% Check 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% 1/2 6%
8. The Dream 13% Check 13%
9. The Post. 14% None 0%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% None 0%

Kuma's new score is: 55% and 84% if you integrate the post and the SNA which is again not viable for the Sunny

For Carrot it should be lower:

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% Check 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% Check 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% Check 8%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% Half 4%
5. The Rescue. 10% None 0%
6. A Tragedy. 11% Check 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Half 6%
8. The Dream 13% Only the desire for adventure so I will say half here 6%
9. The Post. 14% Check
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% Check 15%

Funny.. its the same 72% for Carrot

I still think the criteria is nonesense, but counting the post, you can't deny that the rescue is inevitable and the pins are set up for all the rest. He unironically has more going for him than anyone else right now.

 

[Logiko]

Fine then, it's stronger than a dream like Momo's to open Wano's border. The recent dream just isn't nearly as strong

That's not Momo's dream lol. Momo's dream was fullfiled. It was to get rid of Kaido

Not every strawhat has all of this, but no non-strawhat has all of it.

Exactly and what is important to predict is what ALL the strawhat have in common. Not just some of them.
But in anyway it doesn't matter as I modified the parameters already.

It was confirmed 2 chapters ago but as long as you see it now.

Setup, not confirmed and not stated. No, its clearly stated. So I consider this a real dream. But this won't help Kuma in the end, Kuma is from the past generation, this FB is about Bonney getting the informations, not about Kuma surviving to become a strawhat later. In a way, the important character to focus on here should be Bonney.

So let's imagine that she inherit his will and dream and that she is recused by Luffy:

1. The Antagonistic introduction. 3% Check 3%
2. The Multi layered characterization. 5% Check 5%
3. The Symbolic reach. 8% 3/4 6%
4. A Strong character arc. 9% Check 9%
5. The Rescue. 10% Check 10%
6. A Tragedy. 11% Check 11%
7. The Double Nakama link. 12% Nothing 0%
8. The Dream/Desire 13% Check 13%
9. The Post. 14% Nothing 0%
10. The Shining Nakama Action. 15% Nothing 0%

Bonney would be at 57 %

The ship guard doesn't have to never set foot off the Sunny. It just means that's his priority.

but he could go with them when there's no immediate danger

And let the ship alone ?
What's the point of being a ship guard if you are not 100% of the time on the Sunny ? This post is not viable for a strawhat.

Of course Kuma can come back whenever to the Sunny, but he must be aware first that there is a threat for the ship.

you can't deny that the rescue is inevitable

I just don't know. Kuma could just self sacrifies for Luffy and the gang once again.

Kuma is a good character in theory. But on paper, Kuma is part of the old generation. It wouldn't make sence for him to join really when there is bonney just here.

 

[Vivi4Nakama]

kuma stock seem raise up recently, but what i still dont understand is, why he goes back to marijoa after get saved by revos? he seem like looking for someone or something? only to dipped out later? weird......

are that someone is bonney? who somehow trapped on that weird bubble?

or that someone already left with morgan and wapol? hehehheeh

 

[Sigran101]

Following in her father’s footsteps

Literally see no reason why she would join the SHs over that.

Uh, maybe because he's literally the God that she worships and she was raised from childhood to see him as the great liberator of the world instead of the revos? Jesus Christ, is this the current state of anti Bonney cope? This is up there with C4N's greatest hits in terms of delusion. I'll listen to legit arguments against her joining the crew, which do exist, but yikes, just say you don't want her to join, we all know you don't even believe what you posted.

 

[Logiko]

kuma stock seem raise up recently, but what i still dont understand is, why he goes back to marijoa after get saved by revos? he seem like looking for someone or something? only to dipped out later? weird......

are that someone is bonney? who somehow trapped on that weird bubble?

or that someone already left with morgan and wapol? hehehheeh

He didn't went back to Marijoa to stop there, he only wanted to be in a place of high in order to pass the grandline. Its simple as that. You can see that when he arrive in front of grand line, that he crashes against the rock. Kuma just wanted a way to pass.