Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

No doxxing or direct threats of violence. Among some unspoken restrictions on obscenity depending on the medium etc etc.

And that's call freespeech regulation. You are showing that there is an actual limit to freespeech

 

[NAMELESS]

Stop being Francophobic
I see you exploding here again. It's not worth it. Don't waste your time on these internet weirdos.

you adhering to c4n tatics now?everyone is xyzphobic these days...

 

[Toby D. Dog]

And that's call freespeech regulation. You are showing that there is an actual limit to freespeech

You gotta give specifics. People are bad with labels and broad statements. Stop making blank statements and try to explain the nitty-gritty of what you're trying to say.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Tell me, do you think its bad that mod are prohibiting murder speech here ?

I believe that they have to ban it to avoid trouble with the law as hate speech law are fickle, and they want to avoid those things. So I would say that in that perspective, they have to.
I believe it's bad that hate speech law exist in general, because there can be no clear, objective definition of what hate and bad is.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I believe that they have to ban it to avoid trouble with the law as hate speech law are fickle, and they want to avoid those things. So I would say that in that perspective, they have to.
I believe it's bad that hate speech law exist in general, because there can be no clear, objective definition of what hate and bad is.

Unfortunately I agree with this, it's very hard to draw a line and ban hate speech without actually restricting honest free speech for good people. It should remain legal yet strongly discouraged.

 

[AL sama]

C4N believes in the state controlling what people can or cannot say.French.

gaslighting much??

 

[NAMELESS]

I'm sorry to tell you this, but that's half of what happens in this forum. Stop getting involved in my shit. You purposefully misrepresented what I said just like that guy in order to antagonize me.

I have only come across one user that interacts in such toxic way here in this forum:You.Most people don't go on a curse/insult spree just because they didn't like what i posted.Even users that detest me,like solis and c4n,are way more civil and mature than you.I understood what you said pretty clearly,stop gaslighting and playing the victim.I have the right to call out other users on their behavior.You are not special.

 

[Logiko]

You gotta give specifics. People are bad with labels and broad statements. Stop making blank statements and try to explain the nitty-gritty of what you're trying to say.

What I'm saying is simple. Freespeech is not and should not be absolute. Because absolute freespeech is a libertarian way of seeing the world that leads toward fascism and the actual and REAL suppression of free speech.

For example, Etron Musk, by wanting to liberate freespeech allowed fascist, desinformation and oppressive behavior to floorish on the plateform.

Being profreespeech is the same as saying "I want to say everything even if it hurts others".

 

[NAMELESS]

gaslighting much??

what?Most french are left wingers,you have any idea how much the french state controls everything there?C4n has being calling out to ban "transphobic" from here.

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Some redditor explained Hamas footage breaks US law. Because they are an officially recognized terrorist organization, it can get reddit in trouble so they ban it.
They actually played some of the GoPro footage yesterday to politicians in the Knesset, including arab ones which served in the previous government.




Mansour Abbas (the leader of the party) really tried hard when he was in the goverment, he was in a really though position being with right wing jew politicians on one side, and his arab voters on the other side, but he really tried his best. He was also one of the first politicians to call out Hamas in 7/10 out of the entire arab world

I see.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

What I'm saying is simple. Freespeech is not and should not be absolute. Because absolute freespeech is a libertarian way of seeing the world that leads toward fascism and the actual and REAL suppression of free speech.

Sorry I need some source for such a bold statement.
Fascism in italy started with a coup d'etat during a monarchy.
In germany they first took the power via regular election.

 

[NAMELESS]

What I'm saying is simple. Freespeech is not and should not be absolute. Because absolute freespeech is a libertarian way of seeing the world that leads toward fascism and the actual and REAL suppression of free speech.

For example, Etron Musk, by wanting to liberate freespeech allowed fascist, desinformation and oppressive behavior to floorish on the plateform.

Being profreespeech is the same as saying "I want to say everything even if it hurts others".

Am i still gaslighting? @AL sama .He just confirmed what i said.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I have only come across one user that interacts in such toxic way here in this forum:You.Most people don't go on a curse/insult spree just because they didn't like what i posted.Even users that detest me,like solis and c4n,are way more civil and mature than you.I understood what you said pretty clearly,stop gaslighting and playing the victim.I have the right to call out other users on their behavior.You are not special.

I don't play the victim, I clap back. Now stop, I told you specifically not to get involved with me anymore plus I haven't been "uncivil" or whatever excuses you want to make in order to lie and genuinely gaslight me so you can invalidate the crux of my point.

 

[AL sama]

what?Most french are left wingers,you have any idea how much the french state controls everything there?C4n has being calling out to ban "transphobic" from here.

he can say xyz should be banned

that doesn't mean we ban them

also there's no need to provoke him for that

 

[Toby D. Dog]

What I'm saying is simple. Freespeech is not and should not be absolute. Because absolute freespeech is a libertarian way of seeing the world that leads toward fascism and the actual and REAL suppression of free speech.

For example, Etron Musk, by wanting to liberate freespeech allowed fascist, desinformation and oppressive behavior to floorish on the plateform.

Being profreespeech is the same as saying "I want to say everything even if it hurts others".

my point went right over your head didn't it?

 

[NAMELESS]

Unfortunately I agree with this, it's very hard to draw a line and ban hate speech without actually restricting honest free speech for good people. It should remain legal yet strongly discouraged.

Agreed.I think what should be punished is not the speech itself,but rather the consequences of it.Example:some dude starts preaching about violence against the state.None hear him nothing happens for awhile,but then after some time some violent rioters adhere to his ideology and cause chaos and break the law.I think the guy that started it should be punished for it.

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he can say xyz should be banned

that doesn't mean we ban them

also there's no need to provoke him for that

I didn't provoke,he just says stuff like that all the time.i even quoted him right now saying what he thinks on free speech.

 

[Roo]

Sorry I need some source for such a bold statement.
Fascism in italy started with a coup d'etat during a monarchy.
In germany they first took the power via regular election.

It was a constitutional monarchy, so kinda like the U.K. Not that it matters since he believes liberalism is a pipeline to fascism lol

Funny thing is the two guys who are the poster child for fascism were both anti liberals before going full fascist, just on the socialist end

 

[Toby D. Dog]

It was a constitutional monarchy, so kinda like the U.K. Not that it matters since he believes liberalism is a pipeline to fascism lol

Funny thing is the two guys who are the poster child for fascism were both anti liberals before going full fascist, just on the socialist end

Mussolini and Hitler? I knew Mussolini was a socialist in his younger days but not Hitler.

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't play the victim, I clap back. Now stop, I told you specifically not to get involved with me anymore plus I haven't been "uncivil" or whatever excuses you want to make in order to lie and genuinely gaslight me so you can invalidate the crux of my point.

You can tell me whatever you want.if you don't want to answer.Hit the ignore button.I'm printing all of your posts where you show your true colors.I can back up what i said about you.

 

[Logiko]

Sorry I need some source for such a bold statement.

Source: Twitter.
And not a specific tweet, just twitter in general in the last few month. Evevery scientist and professionnal of information are actually denouncing the derive of twitter and the growing of far right rethoric.

Fascism is not something that start with a military coup mate. It starts with ideas. We have here a literal cryptofascist that is dehumanizing protester and call them terrorist for throwing rock.

THAT'S HOW FASCISM STARTS.

Fascism starts when protester are being threatenned by a government for denouncing genocide
Fascism starts when there is a dehumanization process in the higher strates of power
Fascism starts when people are appropriating this rethoric and starts spreading it
Fascism starts when we try to search for an interior ennemy like in France
Etc.


I don't think you understand how much in danger are the Israeli people right now.

Fascism is not something that is forced on people, fascism is something that some people are seeking.

my point went right over your head didn't it?

Enlighten me, you were perhaps not clear enough

 

[Toby D. Dog]

You can tell me whatever you want.if you don't want to answer.Hit the ignore button.I'm printing all of your posts where you show your true colors.I can back up what i said about you.

Are you like in love with me or something? This is lowkey creepy.