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I do think there are a variety of characters who could potentially join up with EOS Ousen. The Qi war has potential to even be bigger than the Chu war.
Giant fucking alarm bells reading Ouken’s words here, lol. EOS Qi may very well be an amalgamation of commanders from all of the dead states, kind of similar to how Qin is right now in the sense that characters like the Ou family, the Mou family, and Yotanwa are not from traditional Qin.
As to who else might join up with Ousen, it’s anyone’s guess really. Shibashou is the only commander I’m really confident at the moment may join him.
If Shin slays Renpa in Chu, which I strongly believe he will, then that could potentially leave Kyou En without a master and we could see him actually go to Ousen like Ousen originally wanted.
Chu is a state where pretty much most of her generals have no actual loyalty to Chu. Really Ousen could pull anyone from Chu. I’ve said in the past that I highly believe Kou En is the guy who conquered southern Qi for Chu. Kou En’s title is the “conqueror of the East”, and Eastern Chu is literally formerly Southern Qi, so I think Kou En was Chu’s commander during Gakuki’s Coalition and he claimed huge chunks of Southern Qi for Chu. Once Chu falls, eastern Chu may feel such strong loyalties for their old home of Qi which was taken from them that they may simply join up with Ousen by default.
So I think we need to pay close attention to Eastern Chu because many of those commanders may go to Ousen and Qi in the end.
This may be more of a reach but another character who hates Qin enough to go to Ousen, if he survives Wei’s fall, is Gohoumei. It has been established in Kingdom that the warring states all want to maintain diplomatic ties to one another, since wars can always be ended or prevented with words if the states are on speaking terms, so I was really surprised when Houmei told the Wei King to kill Shouheikun’s messenger and send his head back to Qin. I’m not sure if this is common practice but it sure doesn’t seem like it. Qin killed Houmei’s father and he may bear stronger feelings against Qin than the average person in Wei does.
Idk. Just some thoughts lol.
Giant fucking alarm bells reading Ouken’s words here, lol. EOS Qi may very well be an amalgamation of commanders from all of the dead states, kind of similar to how Qin is right now in the sense that characters like the Ou family, the Mou family, and Yotanwa are not from traditional Qin.
As to who else might join up with Ousen, it’s anyone’s guess really. Shibashou is the only commander I’m really confident at the moment may join him.
If Shin slays Renpa in Chu, which I strongly believe he will, then that could potentially leave Kyou En without a master and we could see him actually go to Ousen like Ousen originally wanted.
Chu is a state where pretty much most of her generals have no actual loyalty to Chu. Really Ousen could pull anyone from Chu. I’ve said in the past that I highly believe Kou En is the guy who conquered southern Qi for Chu. Kou En’s title is the “conqueror of the East”, and Eastern Chu is literally formerly Southern Qi, so I think Kou En was Chu’s commander during Gakuki’s Coalition and he claimed huge chunks of Southern Qi for Chu. Once Chu falls, eastern Chu may feel such strong loyalties for their old home of Qi which was taken from them that they may simply join up with Ousen by default.
So I think we need to pay close attention to Eastern Chu because many of those commanders may go to Ousen and Qi in the end.
This may be more of a reach but another character who hates Qin enough to go to Ousen, if he survives Wei’s fall, is Gohoumei. It has been established in Kingdom that the warring states all want to maintain diplomatic ties to one another, since wars can always be ended or prevented with words if the states are on speaking terms, so I was really surprised when Houmei told the Wei King to kill Shouheikun’s messenger and send his head back to Qin. I’m not sure if this is common practice but it sure doesn’t seem like it. Qin killed Houmei’s father and he may bear stronger feelings against Qin than the average person in Wei does.
Idk. Just some thoughts lol.
I think those matchups may be mixed up lol. I could see Shibashou as a martial opponent for EOS Shin, and Hara absolutely must give us Ouhon vs Ousen if Ousen is an EOS villain. So maybe Ouhon vs Ousen in a contest of strategy with Shin as Qin’s main martial power, I could definitely see that happening.
Does he? Lol
He faces bigger threats than Ouhon and Mouten maybe but not the big strategic threats. Shin was simply Ousen’s blade in Shukai plains for example, but it was mainly Ousen battling Riboku. The same goes for most arcs in Kingdom where Shin is never the commander facing the big threats, but is simply the blade of whoever the actual commander is.
That’s how I see Shin and Ouhon vs Ousen. Ouhon and Ousen battling with strategy while Shin is more like Ouhon’s sword. And this matches the Qi campaign historically btw.
If Shin slays Renpa and Kou En in Chu, then he’ll already have this. And if Shin is the guy who falls the Chu capital like I said before then he’ll get a superior achievement to Hakuki too as Hakuki couldn’t permanently end the Chu capital like Shin did.
Maybe I should clarify what I mean with the Chu campaign.
EOS Shin isn’t matching Ousen strategically. I think we can all agree there, Shin will never strategically reach that level and nor will Ten. So I think perfect commander at EOS to fight against Ousen’s strategies is Ouhon. And casual reminder that Ouhon’s strategic ability is already high as fuck and has been since Chiyoyou. Hell even in Hango, Hara is already having Ouhon and Ousen make the exact same observations about the battle. There is just no way Ouhon and Ousen won’t battle at some point if Ousen becomes a villain.
I see EOS Shin vs Ousen being like Duke Hyou vs Gokei. Ousen would horribly maul Shin but Shin’s instincts would allow him to clutch out an “against all odds” win.
He faces bigger threats than Ouhon and Mouten maybe but not the big strategic threats. Shin was simply Ousen’s blade in Shukai plains for example, but it was mainly Ousen battling Riboku. The same goes for most arcs in Kingdom where Shin is never the commander facing the big threats, but is simply the blade of whoever the actual commander is.
That’s how I see Shin and Ouhon vs Ousen. Ouhon and Ousen battling with strategy while Shin is more like Ouhon’s sword. And this matches the Qi campaign historically btw.
If Shin slays Renpa and Kou En in Chu, then he’ll already have this. And if Shin is the guy who falls the Chu capital like I said before then he’ll get a superior achievement to Hakuki too as Hakuki couldn’t permanently end the Chu capital like Shin did.
Maybe I should clarify what I mean with the Chu campaign.
EOS Shin isn’t matching Ousen strategically. I think we can all agree there, Shin will never strategically reach that level and nor will Ten. So I think perfect commander at EOS to fight against Ousen’s strategies is Ouhon. And casual reminder that Ouhon’s strategic ability is already high as fuck and has been since Chiyoyou. Hell even in Hango, Hara is already having Ouhon and Ousen make the exact same observations about the battle. There is just no way Ouhon and Ousen won’t battle at some point if Ousen becomes a villain.
And historically Ouhon was the leader of the Qin campaign and Shin was his deputy.
I see EOS Shin vs Ousen being like Duke Hyou vs Gokei. Ousen would horribly maul Shin but Shin’s instincts would allow him to clutch out an “against all odds” win.
If this Qin vs Qi war where Ousen is the final villain does happen, it's clear that Shin and Ouhon will both have moments against Ousen. Lol. This will have a lot of actors involved and intersecting. Who knows who and how many heavyweight commanders.
That being said I think that at the start of the conflict Ousen will be considered by the manga as the strongest commander in the entire Warring States history...until Shin does something truly mindblowing during the battle, he probably evolves one last step, and claims the most extreme of victories against him. Ousen is defeated, Qi is conquered and Shin is now considered the GOAT general.
Of course, Ouhon's performance will be stellar as well.
That being said I think that at the start of the conflict Ousen will be considered by the manga as the strongest commander in the entire Warring States history...until Shin does something truly mindblowing during the battle, he probably evolves one last step, and claims the most extreme of victories against him. Ousen is defeated, Qi is conquered and Shin is now considered the GOAT general.
Of course, Ouhon's performance will be stellar as well.
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Yes, but we are talking about EOS Shin who should essentially be the equivalent of Duke Hyou. He's not gonna just be a powerful warrior that is mainly tasked with killing the powerhouses. If we can agree that Duke Hyou could in theory pull out a win against Ousen in a 1v1 war, then EOS Shin is part of that discussion.
Even now, Hara is evolving him to take more agency in regards to causing an upset against strategist type generals. It was Shin's plan that overcame Riboku's 6 month cage, not Mouten.
I would personally trust a high-tier instinctual to deal with a high-tier strategist than to play fire with fire against a man like Ousen, to be honest.
Even now, Hara is evolving him to take more agency in regards to causing an upset against strategist type generals. It was Shin's plan that overcame Riboku's 6 month cage, not Mouten.
I would personally trust a high-tier instinctual to deal with a high-tier strategist than to play fire with fire against a man like Ousen, to be honest.
I didn't know Ouhon was the commander in chief of the Qi conquest, I'm checking my timeline and it just says Ouhon was tasked against Qi and seized Ouken but I'm not sure that has to necessarily mean he was in charge of the campaign. Though I doubt that would change my perception of the scenario I envision either way. Ouhon could just as easily task Shin against Ousen, the same way Riboku is tasking Shibashou against Ousen in the present moment.
