General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
First: What you missed is that Carrot understandood the danger and responsibility of this journey very early back in whole cake on chapter 888 where Carrot fulfill her responsability and save the crew.
Second: Carrot was indeed characterized as naive about Carrot, but this naivery has nothing to do with her age but with her character, Carrot as shown multiple time in the story, is someone who is not afraid and run TOWARDS the danger no matter the consequences. In this realm, she is the character that looks like the more like Luffy in the story. Furthermore Carrot was depicted as not only being attracted to danger but attracted greatly toward the wonder of the sea and the adventure. So by making her stay on Zou, Carrot would be neglecting this entire side of her personnality. This is interesting as this creates innerconflict but this can last too long.
Third: Carrot was not shown accepting the assignment. She was in fact depicted refusing it and questionning it, EVEN in the anime where she was shown sad about it to Luffy.
Carrot did grew, but she grew toward the sea, not toward her home. The fact that Carrot is not ready is in fact a statement to the fact that there is more to her character.
Second: Carrot was indeed characterized as naive about Carrot, but this naivery has nothing to do with her age but with her character, Carrot as shown multiple time in the story, is someone who is not afraid and run TOWARDS the danger no matter the consequences. In this realm, she is the character that looks like the more like Luffy in the story. Furthermore Carrot was depicted as not only being attracted to danger but attracted greatly toward the wonder of the sea and the adventure. So by making her stay on Zou, Carrot would be neglecting this entire side of her personnality. This is interesting as this creates innerconflict but this can last too long.
Third: Carrot was not shown accepting the assignment. She was in fact depicted refusing it and questionning it, EVEN in the anime where she was shown sad about it to Luffy.
Carrot did grew, but she grew toward the sea, not toward her home. The fact that Carrot is not ready is in fact a statement to the fact that there is more to her character.
Honestly I sorta do. I don’t think it undermines it AS much since Robin still lost a lot of people regardless, but here Kuma’s and Bonney’s relationship is so central to their flashback that I feel like their whole storyline wouldn’t be nearly as impactful if they manage to bring Kuma back
Like what makes this scene so impactful to me is that you know Kuma won’t be able to keep his end of the promise no matter how badly he wants to
Like what makes this scene so impactful to me is that you know Kuma won’t be able to keep his end of the promise no matter how badly he wants to
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First, for character growth to happen, there needs to be a choice first. This is basic storytelling. Carrot never made this choice and this choice was never shown.
Second, EVEN if Carrot made this choice to stay, this would go against her character development as explained in the thread I linked to you. Development inertia is extra important when we want to create good characterization.
So, either Oda is preparing something for Carrot or he made a characterization mistake.
Second, EVEN if Carrot made this choice to stay, this would go against her character development as explained in the thread I linked to you. Development inertia is extra important when we want to create good characterization.
So, either Oda is preparing something for Carrot or he made a characterization mistake.
Honestly I sorta do. I don’t think it undermines it AS much since Robin still lost a lot of people regardless, but here Kuma’s and Bonney’s relationship is so central to their flashback that I feel like their whole storyline wouldn’t be nearly as impactful if they manage to bring Kuma back
Like what makes this scene so impactful to me is that you know Kuma won’t be able to keep his end of the promise no matter how badly he wants to
Like what makes this scene so impactful to me is that you know Kuma won’t be able to keep his end of the promise no matter how badly he wants to
To me the survival doesn’t cheapen the attempt as the actual characters don’t expect to live. Death regardless of resurrection still hurts, even on Dragonball a manga where death has literally zero consequence, the sacrifices the heroes do aren’t diminished imo
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1. She stayed meaning she chose to stay. No one chained her to zou, it was her own choice. The choice was just obvious so there was no point to showing it
2. You think it goes against her character becuase you didn’t want her character to grow as she did. That’s your own opinion but her growing out of her naivety and finally understanding Pedro’s words are great development.
He made no mistake. It’s called growth. It’s the one good thing he did for carrot was letting her grow.
I agree that Kuma choosing to sacrifice himself for Bonney wouldn't change that he's so filled with love for his daughter that he doesn't even care that he needs to die. But at the same time I think that the backstory overall is elevated by the fact that we knew before it even started how tragic the ending of Kuma's story would be. While it doesn't change the pain he suffered throughout his life, knowing that things don't end well for him makes the small moments of happiness he does get that much more poignant imo
I think this scene is a good example of what I'm talking about:
We know that Kuma loved Ginny, but was scared to be with her out of fear that she'll be enslaved like his mother was. And while that's sad on its own, what makes it so, so much worse to me is that Kuma refusing to marry her did nothing to change her fate. They both would have been so much happier if Kuma just grabbed hold of their happiness when he had the chance, but that just didn't happen.
If Ginny turned out to be alive, this scene wouldn't have nearly as big of an impact on me
I think this scene is a good example of what I'm talking about:
We know that Kuma loved Ginny, but was scared to be with her out of fear that she'll be enslaved like his mother was. And while that's sad on its own, what makes it so, so much worse to me is that Kuma refusing to marry her did nothing to change her fate. They both would have been so much happier if Kuma just grabbed hold of their happiness when he had the chance, but that just didn't happen.
If Ginny turned out to be alive, this scene wouldn't have nearly as big of an impact on me
I consider the netflix live action as RELEVANT because Oda checked every shots, so while some choice might tell us more about the story, its not canon, neither is the anime. Plus even in the anime Carrot is shown in distress to leave the adventure and face her responsibility. The anime is actually helping my case here.
...Because he has his own fucking pirate crew???
I never said you HAVE to join the crew if you meet that criteria.
Also Law can't join because his goal is the same as Luffy's to be the pirate captain who finds One Piece.
It would be like adding another swordsman who wants to be the world's strongest swordsmen. If the dream runs counter to Luffy's they can't join. Law is a friendly rival, close to Nakama, but not quite.
I never said you HAVE to join the crew if you meet that criteria.
Also Law can't join because his goal is the same as Luffy's to be the pirate captain who finds One Piece.
It would be like adding another swordsman who wants to be the world's strongest swordsmen. If the dream runs counter to Luffy's they can't join. Law is a friendly rival, close to Nakama, but not quite.