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I was having a conversation with some people on a leftist Jewish subreddit about this.
Jews, despite being a minority, are a relatively privileged group. At least regarding western Ashkenazim.
Compared to the average population, Ashkenazi Jews tend to be more educated and have more wealth.
Collectively speaking, Jews in the west have a tremendous amount of wealth and influence. The fear of this wealth and influence is a cornerstone of antisemitism, where Jewish power is exaggerated to comical proportions.
However this privilege is still very much real. And when Zionist Jewish activists make claims like “antizionism is antisemitism”, they are speaking from a place of privilege.
Whereas black activism focuses on police brutality and mass incarceration
Whereas lgbt activism focuses on anti lgbt laws passed by the government
Zionist Jewish activism is not focused on structural injustice but rather on stopping people from criticizing Israel.
This is entitled privileged people behavior.
historically, Jewish wealth and influence has been weaponized against Palestinians.
Zionist organizations like the JNF used Jewish wealth to buy land from absentee landlords and disposses the Palestinians living on that land.
Rich and influential Jews like the Rothschilds were lords in Britain and used their influence to get the British government to support the Zionist cause. This led to the British promising Palestine to the Jews, a land which was never the British’s to promise. And it led to the British being complicit in the nakba where Zionist terrorists brutalized Arabs that the British, as the occupying power at the time, had the obligation to defend.
Ultimately I got a lot of positive feedback on Reddit for my critique, which I think is good. It means that there is a growing consciousness within the Jewish community about the relationship between Zionism and privilege.
I think this is important because it challenges a fundamental Zionist narrative. One in which Israel is always the victim and always defending itself.
When irl, the Zionist movement was from the start a colonial movement funded by rich white peoples like Lord Rothschild.
Jews, despite being a minority, are a relatively privileged group. At least regarding western Ashkenazim.
Compared to the average population, Ashkenazi Jews tend to be more educated and have more wealth.
Collectively speaking, Jews in the west have a tremendous amount of wealth and influence. The fear of this wealth and influence is a cornerstone of antisemitism, where Jewish power is exaggerated to comical proportions.
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However this privilege is still very much real. And when Zionist Jewish activists make claims like “antizionism is antisemitism”, they are speaking from a place of privilege.
Whereas black activism focuses on police brutality and mass incarceration
Whereas lgbt activism focuses on anti lgbt laws passed by the government
Zionist Jewish activism is not focused on structural injustice but rather on stopping people from criticizing Israel.
This is entitled privileged people behavior.
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historically, Jewish wealth and influence has been weaponized against Palestinians.
Zionist organizations like the JNF used Jewish wealth to buy land from absentee landlords and disposses the Palestinians living on that land.
Rich and influential Jews like the Rothschilds were lords in Britain and used their influence to get the British government to support the Zionist cause. This led to the British promising Palestine to the Jews, a land which was never the British’s to promise. And it led to the British being complicit in the nakba where Zionist terrorists brutalized Arabs that the British, as the occupying power at the time, had the obligation to defend.
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Ultimately I got a lot of positive feedback on Reddit for my critique, which I think is good. It means that there is a growing consciousness within the Jewish community about the relationship between Zionism and privilege.
I think this is important because it challenges a fundamental Zionist narrative. One in which Israel is always the victim and always defending itself.
When irl, the Zionist movement was from the start a colonial movement funded by rich white peoples like Lord Rothschild.
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Genocides are indeed a difficult concept to bend and fit. But Putin and Netanyahu are far right wing. A genocide doesn’t have to be industrialised with trains and specific places to kill people fast. People commonly hear about the nazi genocide of the Jews in WW2 and nothing else. There are many events throughout history that are referred to as genocides by historians. It’s called a political buzzword in the present by many people and newspapers because investigations and research aren’t led yet. Wether you call it a genocide or not doesn’t change the fact that mass killing of people is wrong though.
Left wing leaders are also capable of committing genocide
yeah that’s why I cringe whenever I see people throw the word genocide around like it’s a basketball. It’s the same shit as people like C4N who calls everybody they don’t like a Nazi or fascist.
you can call out what is happening without having to go to the extreme
yeah that’s why I cringe whenever I see people throw the word genocide around like it’s a basketball. It’s the same shit as people like C4N who calls everybody they don’t like a Nazi or fascist.
you can call out what is happening without having to go to the extreme
Starting at 5:40 "when they don't surrender they are not civilians"
"it's not our responsibility to identify who is a civilian and who is not" "human shields are no civilians"
"what are you eliminating here, people who shoot at you? No, you're eliminating people who might shoot at you"
"somebody has to identify the babies as non militant"
Peak mental gymnastics
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12:55 ''peace means your enemy is so intimidated they will not try again for 40 years ''
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15:19''You have to defeat the people who create the army,not just the army''
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''Proportionality means if you can achieve peace by killing one person,don't kill two. If you achieve peace by killing a thousand, don't kill a thousand and one. But if you will not achieve peace unless you kill 50.000 and you stop at 40 that is so immoral because the 40 died for nothing"
16:52 ''you make peace with an enemy after you defeat them''
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I think ethnic cleansing is a more descriptive term than genocide for both
Russia isn’t trying to kill all Ukrainians, they are trying turn them into Russians.
I don’t think israel is trying to kill all Palestinians either, although many people in Israel do want that. Rather their goal seems to be to expel Gazans into Egypt.
Russia isn’t trying to kill all Ukrainians, they are trying turn them into Russians.
I don’t think israel is trying to kill all Palestinians either, although many people in Israel do want that. Rather their goal seems to be to expel Gazans into Egypt.