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[TheKnightOfTheSea]

This how I know I'm arguing with a dimwit that gets lost reading a story told through pictures.

Mou Bu being mentally susceptible has been known since Bayou. His tendency to start slow since the Coalition.

In every arc he's had a prominent role in, it's been one or the other, or both.

lol chill with the insults

I replied with a joking reaction image, and yet you immediately call me a "dumb cunt" and a "dimwit"?

Wow......

 

[Rumble]

lol chill with the insults

I replied with a joking reaction image, and yet you immediately call me a "dumb cunt" and a "dimwit"?

Wow......

You reacted with disrespect. You got it back.

Don't start none, won't be none.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

You reacted with disrespect. You got it back.

Don't start none, won't be none.

if you don't want me to "disrespect" you then don't post your stupid takes lol

 

[Rumble]

if you don't want me to "disrespect" you then don't post your stupid takes lol

My post was factual.

It just happened offended your battledome brainrot sensibilities.

Now you're crying about mean words.

 

[Peroroncino]

Almost every take involving Houken is a hot take regardless of the opinion. He is nearly impossible to scale lol.

Alright, I will give you guys the absolute fattest of my hot takes, a take so fat that I just bought it a treadmill and signed it up for weight watchers. I have consumed the most potent of Lee Hung drugs to bring you all the hottest of takes. Are you fucking ready for this shit?

Spoiler: Drugs Ahead

Houken would single-handedly defeat the entire Kanki army. Yes you read that correctly. Assuming Houken has the food and water required to survive a drawn out battle, he is defeating the Kanki army.

Now that’s not to say Houken would single-handedly slay all eighty thousand of Kanki’s bandits single handedly, although given enough time he probably could,

But that is to say that if all 80,000 of Kanki’s bandits gang up on Houken alone at the same time, Houken would systematically dominate them so severely that Kanki’s untrained army of disloyal hooligans would retreat by the tens of thousands until not enough of them remain to protect Kanki from Houken. So let’s take a look at this situation.

So how would Kanki actually attempt to slay Houken?

Attempt #1: Throwing dozens of men at Houken all at once

You would think this would be an easy task right? Just continuously overwhelm him with numbers. However, Houken is the one character in this manga who is undoubtedly the best at engaging huge numbers of enemies, especially when he’s on foot. When Kyou and Kanou bombarded Houken with dozens of archers at the same time, he repelled every single arrow and killed all of his attackers. When Gekishin’s monstrous Quanrong cavalry all charged him at once, he killed all of them with complete ease. When the Hi Shin Unit at Shukai Plains all charged him, again, he killed them all without taking an injury.

The likes of Ouki or Moubu can’t come out unscathed from a dozen arrows flying at them at once, but Houken can. He is the Bushin, he is the best at the manga when it comes to fighting multiple foes at once and not being injured while doing so. And as the Bushin, he possesses not only an enormous amount of stamina but also Kyoukai’s bullshit breathing technique but an infinite version of that.

Now let’s look at the reverse side of things: how will Kanki’s men react to seeing such an overwhelming display of martial dominance by Houken?

They will shit their fucking pants and run. Kanki’s army is more famous for doing this than any other army in Kingdom.

Attempt #1: Failure

Attempt #2: Overwhelming Houken through sheer martial might

Let us now go through an extensive list of the individuals within Kanki’s army that can hope to pose a martial threat to Houken:

1. Zenou
2. Shuma
3. Kanki(?)

These three represent probably the martial pinnacle of the Kanki army. So let’s explain why all three of them lose to Houken:

1. Zenou

Zenou is the very definition of a mindless brute that someone like Houken is destined to defeat with ease. In fact the very same immediate realization of superiority that Houken had over Bayou Moubu, I’m pretty sure he would have that over Zenou as well.

You see while I’m sure Zenou has greater brute strength than Houken, Houken should have every other conceivable advantage over Zenou including speed, agility, technique, infinite Shiyuu bullshit, etc..

And while I’m not opposed to Zenou being able to kill Houken via raw power, the fact of the matter is that unless Houken chooses to engage with Zenou’s brute power in a contest of strength, the myriad of options Houken has to slay someone like Zenou means this should be a pretty clear victory for Houken.

2. Shuma

No

3. Kanki

So the only reason I’m bringing Kanki up is that it’s very likely that Kanki had developed his own weight and people like to use weight against Houken.

And while weight can allow inferior fighters to overcome superior fighters who have no weight, Kanki ain’t that guy. Duke Hyou and Kyou, both superior fighters to Kanki, both had weight and still effectively got mid diffed by Houken. In fact I would probably say either of these two mid diff Kanki 1v1 and Houken rolled them both.

Attempt #2: Failure

Attempt #3: Guerilla warfare

So Kanki’s trademark style of warfare that allows him to heavily upset more traditional commanders like Kochou or Riboku would be less than useless against Houken. I mean what is Kanki going to do?

Kill or maim fodder and hope Houken gets demoralized? Okay, good luck, I’m pretty sure Houken could give less of a shit if Kanki starts killing fodder.

Retreat into the forests and attempt to disappear from Houken utilizing terrain? Yeah, here’s the thing about that: Kanki merely adopted the forests. Houken was born in them. Molded by them. Houken didn’t see the plains until he was already a man and by then it was too late. If Kanki attempts to disappear into the forests in an attempt to outplay Houken, Houken will literally break Kanki’s back and stick him in an Albanian prison while he captures Gotham City.

What was I talking about…oh yeah,

Impersonate enemy officers and use them to communicate with Houken? Mkay, Houken will kill them too lmfao.

Not a single guerilla tactic Kanki has shown would allow him to defeat Houken with one possible exception but we’ll get to that later.


Attempt #3: Failure

So how would Kanki actually beat Houken? I can see only two possible options:

1. Surround the forest Houken is currently inside and burn the entire thing to the ground, praying that Houken dies in the process

2. Have your men play dead as Houken is slaughtering them, and then have the men who are playing dead attack Houken while he is distracted like Kozen did at Shukai Plains.

Other than these two strategies, Houken is about to mangle Kanki singlehandedly!

@SakazOuki @MarineHQ @Owl Ki @RayanOO @FutureWarrior123 @God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

My post was factual.

It just happened offended your battledome brainrot sensibilities.

Now you're crying about mean words.

Dry your eyes, you giant pussy.

only one crying here is you lol

anyway, this conversation is stupid

i actually enjoy reading lots of your posts in this section and have enjoyed a few of our convos on Kingdom in the past, so I apologize for my "disrespect"

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Mou Bu being mentally susceptible has been known since Bayou. His tendency to start slow since the Coalition.

The difference with Man’U is Moubu started slow and ended even slower while Man’U himself didn’t look serious at all. Moubu was literally spitting blood when their duel ended and Man’U was completely fine.

 

[Rumble]

only one crying here is you lol

anyway, this conversation is stupid

i actually enjoy reading lots of your posts in this section and have enjoyed a few of our convos on Kingdom in the past, so I apologize for my "disrespect"

I'm not the one clutching my pearls.

Good, bad or indifferent, I don't give a shit what you think of my posts. We've had good conversations in the past and been on the same page. That doesn't entitle you to being rude without expectation of being accommodated.

The best apology is changed behaviour. Next time I post something you disagree with, state your case instead of being a cunt without provocation. Start there and we'll get somewhere.

 

[Peroroncino]

I'm not the one clutching my pearls.

Good, bad or indifferent, I don't give a shit what you think of my posts. We've had good conversations in the past and been on the same page. That doesn't entitle you to being rude without expectation of being accommodated.

The best apology is changed behaviour. Next time I post something you disagree with, state your case instead of being a cunt without provocation. Start there and we'll get somewhere.

why are you like this

 

[Rumble]

The difference with Man’U is Moubu started slow and ended even slower while Man’U himself didn’t look serious at all. Moubu was literally spitting blood when their duel ended and Man’U was completely fine.

Man'U was absolutely dead serious, start to finish. We know the hurt that lies beneath his smile.

That same hurt informed his psychological attack on Mou Bu, who got shook early and prett much stayed shook.

Man'U is like Bane. He might not have weight (he does, but it's "sealed"), but he has absolute conviction in his views. Zero hesitation. And he's obviously a bad motherfucker in a fight - too much for Mou Bu to defeat without being on his A-game, which he most decidedly was not.

 

[God Buggy]

Man'U beats Gaimou. Frankly I don't know if Renpa or Ouki would be able to defeat him 1v1 - heck I'm not even sure if Kanmei would actually do it. Man'U says he's weaker than Kanmei but this is immediately followed by his soldiers saying that Man'U and Kanmei never fought (1v1) and Man'U's performance against Moubu was incredibly impressive and it ended on a high note for Man'U.

He is a manimal.

 

[Rumble]

Ou Ki all but outright defeated Hou Ken and Ren Pa is a fighter of similar calibre.

Weight wouldn't even be a factor against Man'U. They would smoke him.

And they both avoided dealing with Gai Mou, if you take him at his word - and I have no reason not to.

why are you like this

I have a low tolerance for rudeness and stupidity. It's why I avoid having to interact with you. Aren't you glad you asked?

 

[MarineHQ]

Let's see....

- One fought and was stalled by 4K commander Shin that nerfed himself by using the glaive with no prior experience whatsoever.
- The other slapped Moubu around and actually managed to knock him off his horse.

I know which one is superior.

 

[Peroroncino]

Let's see....

- One fought and was stalled by 4K commander Shin that nerfed himself by using the glaive with no prior experience whatsoever.
- The other slapped Moubu around and actually managed to knock him off his horse.

I know which one is superior.

"Whats wrong moubu,im weaker than kanmei"

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Let's see....

- One fought and was stalled by 4K commander Shin that nerfed himself by using the glaive with no prior experience whatsoever.
- The other slapped Moubu around and actually managed to knock him off his horse.

I know which one is superior.

Let's not forget that Gaimou also made up lies involving Ouki and Renpa to make himself look stronger lol. Though he is indeed a top tier, he is a fraud by definition

Meanwhile Man'U defeated a shit ton of Chu generals till Chu literally went "fuck it, we give up, have a city".

 

[Rumble]

Let's see....

- One fought and was stalled by 4K commander Shin that nerfed himself by using the glaive with no prior experience whatsoever.
- The other slapped Moubu around and actually managed to knock him off his horse.

I know which one is superior.

Gai Mou was fresh out of prison hardly exerted himself. Shin's rank is not reflective of his fighting ability. He had already overpowered Hou Ken in a clash by then.

Don't let context ruin a good story though.

On a side note, aren't you the same person that believes Ou Hon is stronger than Kyou Kai?

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Wei to Gaimou: We're throwing your ass into a dungeon even though we only have one GG

Chu to Man'U: Fine we'll give you your own city to get you to stop killing our dudes

 

[MarineHQ]

Gai Mou was fresh out of prison hardly exerted himself. Shin's rank is not reflective of his fighting ability. He had already overpowered Hou Ken in a clash by then.

Don't let context ruin a good story though.

On a side note, aren't you the same person that believes Ou Hon is stronger than Kyou Kai?

Oh nice the excuses are already on the table.

No amount of excuses can close the humongous gap in feats that stands between those of Man’U and Gaimou, they aren’t even comparable. Please never bring his name close to legends like Ouki or Renpa. We've seen the portrayal he received next to them.
A butthurt child that was in need of spreading lies to cover the embarrassment he suffered through Ouki and Renpa.

And if I remember correctly you're the same guy that said Kyoukai is the strongest character in the series or at least Top 3.

 

[SakazOuki]

Regardless of Gaimou, let's get a few things straight about Man'U
-Was Man'U designed to be a hurdle to Moubu strength wise?
Definitely not, Man'U being weaker than Kanmei was stated in the manga

-What is the purpose of Man'U?
Character development for Moubu

-Who was the main character of ManU's flashback?
Yes, its Moubu lol
''He was betrayed by his burden''
This literally summarizes Moubu's character arc in Chu futurely, he gets betrayed by the one man who can tame him. Not only does he switch factions, but SHK also crushes Mouten in battle. This will be a devastating blow that Moubu will deal with through Man'U

Man'U is a big bloke with hefty weight, he is in the top 10 -I have him on 7 right now-, but he is not some unstoppable force in the verse, this is a personal battle for Moubu. Houken destroys Man'U and his sob story, naturally that goes for Ouki, Renpa and Kanmei too
Gaimou is yet to be properly gauged, but if we go by the narrative of Gaimou representing the final obstacle in Wei, at least martially, then there's a decent chance he turns out stronger.

 

[Peroroncino]

Gai mou has the same weight as Renpa dont look down on him