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I still disagree. I believe in bodily autonomy. But if your argument is based upon being strictly pro life cause you appreciate human life. At least I can respect you being consistent all throughout. That includes helping single mothers and giving children opportunities every single step of the way. I’m also against the death penalty.
I don’t agree with people who just berate women outside of Planned Parenthood. What’s that going to accomplish? I fully support funding for social programs to help single mothers and children. I can also donate to pregnancy crisis centers and foster/adopt charities.
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In an ideal world we would have plenty of social programs to support single mothers and children. There would also be free prenatal care for pregnant women and babies.
Unfortunately this won’t happen. But I am still against abortion.
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In an ideal world we would have plenty of social programs to support single mothers and children. There would also be free prenatal care for pregnant women and babies.
Unfortunately this won’t happen. But I am still against abortion.
Those are SCIENTIFIC PAPERS not rants. Dude, because a conclusion challenges your point of view doesn't mean its a rant. Come on, less intellectual lazyness please.
Yeah, that's the problem, you only read the first link that was a complilation of definition of patriarchy based on the research of multiple people. Of course that if you read that without looking at the rest you will think that its a rant since it challenges your point of view.
Trump ???
Macron ???
Biden ??
Just because one or multiple of them are talking about the right of women once a month doesn't mean they far right/ultraliberal political are suddenly leftist. THey are ALL ultra liberal and challenging the concept of patriarchy and the concept of systemic oppressions.
No mate. The power AND the people are rightwing/liberals. Sadly leftist are still a minority.
So here, I'm talking about women that are still GLOBALLY denied their right to speak about violence and abuse done to them and you reply to me with a controversial rehabilitating program made to rehabilitate people who abuse and violent in society.
Wtf ? This has nothing to do with the subject.
First, We are talking about a practice that favors a specific vision about patriarchy without care for therapy treatments. In other words, its not the right response to the problem of rehabilitation. But favoring women's testimony is STILL needed.
Second, its only in the case where perpetuator (men or women) are CHARGED and SENTENCED. What I'm talking about are the 90% of cases where perpetrators walk FREE.
So that program has absolutely NOTHING to do with the actual subject being that women are still struggling to be HEARD in front of actual POLICE OFFICER and JUSTICE like proven by the actual studies provided to you.
Again you are trying to deflect with something you heard in incel circles but that is completely out of subject and you still have no peer reviewed studies to counter what I'm talking about.
Systemic issues are not always about the laws that are put in place, sometimes its also the way the system is constructed sometimes winligly in order to defavor a oppressed minority or gender:
- Bad abortion laws for example are negatively affecting women.
- There is this : https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/08/us-1890-law-black-americans-voting
- There is this : https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/examples-of-systemic-racism/
It took me 1 minute of research, imagine what I can find in two hours.
But if you want an example of systemic racism, The state of France (Macron/Darmanin) just passed a far right immigration law that put migrants in even more misery that they were already in.
THose are liberals solutions and liberal solutions are ALWAYS (at best) only patches on an open wound (and at worst far right ideas). They are inefficient to counter systemic racism and patriarchy. That's one of the reason why we can't stand liberals in the left.
Like I said
- The status co is you guys being a GROUP targetting the only profeminist in town.
- The status co is the WG staff laughing at real feminists and anti toxic ideas to make this place a better place for everyone.
- The status co is Biden supporting the far right and genocidal gov of Israel and denying systemic racism in the institutions
- The status co is Macron being helped by the far right to pass Ultra liberals reform and racist laws
- The status co is the people of both America and Europe being more and more encline to far right ideaologies that denies patriarchy and feminism
- The status co is movies and Series that still have transphobic and sexist representations
- The status co is the bigger social media being owned by a sexist BILLIONNAIRE who think that woke are a problem for society and that we should give a tribune to far right fascist and complotist
- THe status co is Trump being able to have a tribune in all medias and become president
- The status co is world famous VIOLENT actors (Johnny Depp/Brad Pitt) benefiting from a social preference because they are known, men and handsome
- THe status co is Gerard Depardieu, a famous french actor who just sexualize a little girl and sexually abused/harrassed interpreter in front of a camera being openly protected by the french PRESIDENT and defended by 50+ famous actor and french personnalities just because "its gerard"
- The status co is the fact that feminists and women had to create an hashtag to been seen at least just a bit and for things to evolve
- The status co is that so many countries still places women as the lowest class/ social group
- The status co is that we MEN are STILL debating on the abortion, something only WOMEN have the right to debate on.
- The status co is that pretty much all superheroes movies still target villain who want to make the society change and most of the time when those villain comes from oppression. #Marvel
- The status co is women still being laughed at in police station worse, being recieved by actual abusers in police stations.
- THe status co is the sta te who still refuse to defound the Police when we have the proof that those institution have core problems of far right activism, sexism and racism
- THe status co is Gerald Darmanin and Trump, both accused of rape
- THe status co is Eric Zemmour, a crypto fascist making 7% in the first round of the last french presidency while other far right group make the same ammount as other candidate with 20%
- THe status co is Christopher colombus still being acclamed as the discover of America when he just happen to step up on the ground of a great multiple state native nation and started the genocide that killed 70 MILLION people in the americas.
Do you want me to go on? I can do this for two more hours..
The status co mate, is on YOUR side, the side of sexism, of rejection of the feminist concept, the rejection of women voices, the rejection of the concept of systemic racism, the rejection that maybe, leftist are the good guys here.
And again, liberals are people who make or want liberal reforms, leftist don't want that. So we are not liberals einstein.
Again, you have no sources but video of the far right, no actual scientific paper, just your feelings.
I debunked clearly your rethoric and vision with good arguments, clear data report and real actual scientific paper. The problem is that you have too much pride to admit that you are wrong. So your only possibility is to continue saying that I'm a liberal leftist (even if its contradictory) and deny science and the researches on the subjects we are talking about.
This doesn't mean anything bro
Sadly no. I just proved you that liberals are in fact meer capitalist that want to make profit, be seen in a good light or sometimes pass straight up racist laws. If Biden were leftist, he wouldn't defend Israel mate.
You are really lost on leftist matters mate and you political compass is completely broken
Like I told you, the average Joe is either for Trump/Marine Le Pen or a liberal Macron/Biden. The average joe is not (unless in very few cases) a leftist that will hold deep values about patriarchy and systemic racism.
Your problem is that you see a black little mermaid and think that suddenly all the medias are leftist when I proved you that those are only the choices of capitalist to appeal to progressive audiences and appears more progressive.
THe problem with you is not that leftism is the status co (it not and never was), the problem is that you REJECT leftism as an ideology because it challenges your point of view.
Like I said, suddenly for you science is not in line with reality. You are like a flat earther denying mathematic and geography because you want to believe that you are the oppressed one.
I was like you once. I wanted to believe that there was some random shadows progressive organisation that wanted to control the world and me. Gladly I grew out of that, now its your turn to be a big boy and accept that you are wrong.
And still, what happened is that literally ALL SOCIAL MEDIA MADE FUN of Amber heard AND the WOMEN who tried to help her:
TW (sexist content)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgNl7ZscWtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlXBIB1SM38
(there are thousands of massively viewed video like that)
Bonus:
https://x.com/cocainecross/status/1726759059414774164?s=20
The reality mate that you are VOLONTARALY IGNORING is that almost EVERYONE believed in Johnny Depp, even me at first which that should stand for you as a testimony of how much patriarchy has an effect on people.
All twitter, all youtube, all facebook, all tik tok, all instagram was FILLED with memes making fun of Amber and showing Depp in a heroic light...
A violent abuser ... in a heroic light. (even if Amber was not completely free of charges) that should ring some alarm.. but no. You are in COMPLETE disbelief. Simply because you refuse on an ideological basic to be proven wrong by a leftist.
I told you, compared to you guys, I'm basing my argumentation on actual science. You know, the discipline that permits us to make objective observations about our universe.
You guys are not random people, you are people with clear pattern of ideas, antifeminist, procapitalist, in denial of scientific researches and social studies, completely anti "woke".. You guys are the representation of the hegemonic right wing vision in society.
This is why you are sometime 3 sometimes 10 against one and why its so important for me to debunk ALL of you.
When unmodded, forums are micro representation of society.
SO you are telling me that people will reject CNN based on the proposition that they might be leftist ? That's exactly what global status co is.. Welcome in the real world.
I can't stand liberals so its gonna be hard bro..
You continue to affirm a contradictory principle. Liberal are not leftists they are you, the right wing.
If you were consistant, you would be pro abortion as you are pro women.
Read that please to understand why:
""
In "A Defense of Abortion", Judith Jarvis Thomson grants for the sake of argument that the fetus has a right to life, but defends the permissibility of abortion by appealing to a thought experiment:
You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. [If he is unplugged from you now, he will die; but] in nine months he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.
Thomson argues that one can now permissibly unplug oneself from the violinist even though this will cause his death: this is due to limits on the right to life, which does not include the right to use another person's body, and so by unplugging the violinist, one does not violate his right to life but merely deprives him of something – the use of someone else's body – to which he has no right. "f you do allow him to go on using your kidneys, this is a kindness on your part, and not something he can claim from you as his due."
For the same reason, Thomson says, abortion does not violate the fetus's legitimate right to life, but merely deprives the fetus of something – the non-consensual use of the pregnant woman's body and life-supporting functions – to which it has no right. Thus, by choosing to terminate her pregnancy, Thomson concludes that a pregnant woman does not normally violate the fetus's right to life, but merely withdraws its use of her own body, which usually causes the fetus to die.
""
Yeah, that's the problem, you only read the first link that was a complilation of definition of patriarchy based on the research of multiple people. Of course that if you read that without looking at the rest you will think that its a rant since it challenges your point of view.
Trump ???
Macron ???
Biden ??
Just because one or multiple of them are talking about the right of women once a month doesn't mean they far right/ultraliberal political are suddenly leftist. THey are ALL ultra liberal and challenging the concept of patriarchy and the concept of systemic oppressions.
No mate. The power AND the people are rightwing/liberals. Sadly leftist are still a minority.
So here, I'm talking about women that are still GLOBALLY denied their right to speak about violence and abuse done to them and you reply to me with a controversial rehabilitating program made to rehabilitate people who abuse and violent in society.
Wtf ? This has nothing to do with the subject.
First, We are talking about a practice that favors a specific vision about patriarchy without care for therapy treatments. In other words, its not the right response to the problem of rehabilitation. But favoring women's testimony is STILL needed.
Second, its only in the case where perpetuator (men or women) are CHARGED and SENTENCED. What I'm talking about are the 90% of cases where perpetrators walk FREE.
So that program has absolutely NOTHING to do with the actual subject being that women are still struggling to be HEARD in front of actual POLICE OFFICER and JUSTICE like proven by the actual studies provided to you.
Again you are trying to deflect with something you heard in incel circles but that is completely out of subject and you still have no peer reviewed studies to counter what I'm talking about.
Systemic issues are not always about the laws that are put in place, sometimes its also the way the system is constructed sometimes winligly in order to defavor a oppressed minority or gender:
- Bad abortion laws for example are negatively affecting women.
- There is this : https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/08/us-1890-law-black-americans-voting
- There is this : https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/examples-of-systemic-racism/
It took me 1 minute of research, imagine what I can find in two hours.
But if you want an example of systemic racism, The state of France (Macron/Darmanin) just passed a far right immigration law that put migrants in even more misery that they were already in.
THose are liberals solutions and liberal solutions are ALWAYS (at best) only patches on an open wound (and at worst far right ideas). They are inefficient to counter systemic racism and patriarchy. That's one of the reason why we can't stand liberals in the left.
Like I said
- The status co is you guys being a GROUP targetting the only profeminist in town.
- The status co is the WG staff laughing at real feminists and anti toxic ideas to make this place a better place for everyone.
- The status co is Biden supporting the far right and genocidal gov of Israel and denying systemic racism in the institutions
- The status co is Macron being helped by the far right to pass Ultra liberals reform and racist laws
- The status co is the people of both America and Europe being more and more encline to far right ideaologies that denies patriarchy and feminism
- The status co is movies and Series that still have transphobic and sexist representations
- The status co is the bigger social media being owned by a sexist BILLIONNAIRE who think that woke are a problem for society and that we should give a tribune to far right fascist and complotist
- THe status co is Trump being able to have a tribune in all medias and become president
- The status co is world famous VIOLENT actors (Johnny Depp/Brad Pitt) benefiting from a social preference because they are known, men and handsome
- THe status co is Gerard Depardieu, a famous french actor who just sexualize a little girl and sexually abused/harrassed interpreter in front of a camera being openly protected by the french PRESIDENT and defended by 50+ famous actor and french personnalities just because "its gerard"
- The status co is the fact that feminists and women had to create an hashtag to been seen at least just a bit and for things to evolve
- The status co is that so many countries still places women as the lowest class/ social group
- The status co is that we MEN are STILL debating on the abortion, something only WOMEN have the right to debate on.
- The status co is that pretty much all superheroes movies still target villain who want to make the society change and most of the time when those villain comes from oppression. #Marvel
- The status co is women still being laughed at in police station worse, being recieved by actual abusers in police stations.
- THe status co is the sta te who still refuse to defound the Police when we have the proof that those institution have core problems of far right activism, sexism and racism
- THe status co is Gerald Darmanin and Trump, both accused of rape
- THe status co is Eric Zemmour, a crypto fascist making 7% in the first round of the last french presidency while other far right group make the same ammount as other candidate with 20%
- THe status co is Christopher colombus still being acclamed as the discover of America when he just happen to step up on the ground of a great multiple state native nation and started the genocide that killed 70 MILLION people in the americas.
Do you want me to go on? I can do this for two more hours..
The status co mate, is on YOUR side, the side of sexism, of rejection of the feminist concept, the rejection of women voices, the rejection of the concept of systemic racism, the rejection that maybe, leftist are the good guys here.
And again, liberals are people who make or want liberal reforms, leftist don't want that. So we are not liberals einstein.
Again, you have no sources but video of the far right, no actual scientific paper, just your feelings.
I debunked clearly your rethoric and vision with good arguments, clear data report and real actual scientific paper. The problem is that you have too much pride to admit that you are wrong. So your only possibility is to continue saying that I'm a liberal leftist (even if its contradictory) and deny science and the researches on the subjects we are talking about.
This doesn't mean anything bro
Sadly no. I just proved you that liberals are in fact meer capitalist that want to make profit, be seen in a good light or sometimes pass straight up racist laws. If Biden were leftist, he wouldn't defend Israel mate.
You are really lost on leftist matters mate and you political compass is completely broken
Like I told you, the average Joe is either for Trump/Marine Le Pen or a liberal Macron/Biden. The average joe is not (unless in very few cases) a leftist that will hold deep values about patriarchy and systemic racism.
Your problem is that you see a black little mermaid and think that suddenly all the medias are leftist when I proved you that those are only the choices of capitalist to appeal to progressive audiences and appears more progressive.
THe problem with you is not that leftism is the status co (it not and never was), the problem is that you REJECT leftism as an ideology because it challenges your point of view.
Like I said, suddenly for you science is not in line with reality. You are like a flat earther denying mathematic and geography because you want to believe that you are the oppressed one.
I was like you once. I wanted to believe that there was some random shadows progressive organisation that wanted to control the world and me. Gladly I grew out of that, now its your turn to be a big boy and accept that you are wrong.
And still, what happened is that literally ALL SOCIAL MEDIA MADE FUN of Amber heard AND the WOMEN who tried to help her:
TW (sexist content)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlXBIB1SM38
(there are thousands of massively viewed video like that)
Bonus:
https://x.com/cocainecross/status/1726759059414774164?s=20
The reality mate that you are VOLONTARALY IGNORING is that almost EVERYONE believed in Johnny Depp, even me at first which that should stand for you as a testimony of how much patriarchy has an effect on people.
All twitter, all youtube, all facebook, all tik tok, all instagram was FILLED with memes making fun of Amber and showing Depp in a heroic light...
A violent abuser ... in a heroic light. (even if Amber was not completely free of charges) that should ring some alarm.. but no. You are in COMPLETE disbelief. Simply because you refuse on an ideological basic to be proven wrong by a leftist.
I told you, compared to you guys, I'm basing my argumentation on actual science. You know, the discipline that permits us to make objective observations about our universe.
You guys are not random people, you are people with clear pattern of ideas, antifeminist, procapitalist, in denial of scientific researches and social studies, completely anti "woke".. You guys are the representation of the hegemonic right wing vision in society.
This is why you are sometime 3 sometimes 10 against one and why its so important for me to debunk ALL of you.
When unmodded, forums are micro representation of society.
SO you are telling me that people will reject CNN based on the proposition that they might be leftist ? That's exactly what global status co is.. Welcome in the real world.
I can't stand liberals so its gonna be hard bro..
You continue to affirm a contradictory principle. Liberal are not leftists they are you, the right wing.
If you were consistant, you would be pro abortion as you are pro women.
Read that please to understand why:
""
In "A Defense of Abortion", Judith Jarvis Thomson grants for the sake of argument that the fetus has a right to life, but defends the permissibility of abortion by appealing to a thought experiment:
You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. [If he is unplugged from you now, he will die; but] in nine months he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.
Thomson argues that one can now permissibly unplug oneself from the violinist even though this will cause his death: this is due to limits on the right to life, which does not include the right to use another person's body, and so by unplugging the violinist, one does not violate his right to life but merely deprives him of something – the use of someone else's body – to which he has no right. "f you do allow him to go on using your kidneys, this is a kindness on your part, and not something he can claim from you as his due."
For the same reason, Thomson says, abortion does not violate the fetus's legitimate right to life, but merely deprives the fetus of something – the non-consensual use of the pregnant woman's body and life-supporting functions – to which it has no right. Thus, by choosing to terminate her pregnancy, Thomson concludes that a pregnant woman does not normally violate the fetus's right to life, but merely withdraws its use of her own body, which usually causes the fetus to die.
""
carrot question suppose you get into power
president carrot
and you seek to give the opressed classes rights to help them from the systematic opression of ig random forums or whatever
and when you do this how do you decide which group is more worthy of support
and if you do decide a way to see which one is more worthy how do you handle it in a way that does not upset black people for not being favored over women or vice versa or gays over blacks or whatever order you come with
all these groups are working towards getting extra power rights or whatever so how do sasiify every special opressed group leftism advocates for
president carrot
and you seek to give the opressed classes rights to help them from the systematic opression of ig random forums or whatever
and when you do this how do you decide which group is more worthy of support
and if you do decide a way to see which one is more worthy how do you handle it in a way that does not upset black people for not being favored over women or vice versa or gays over blacks or whatever order you come with
all these groups are working towards getting extra power rights or whatever so how do sasiify every special opressed group leftism advocates for
not a literal yt rant
but just the structure of it
at least of the one ive seen
i forget the exact passages but the one, ive quoted when responding to you that one
it specifically just claimed x thing without any claims backing it
it's wrote like a rant, that's kinda the point
one you failed to see ig
i dont really have a exact idealogical framework
my reason for denying it was just it not citing shit for the claims
in proper reaseach papers, you have to cite your data so the people who peer review your paper know a what your speaking on and b what your basis for the claim was
look at this as a example
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7886264/
it's about apes but there is constant citation
same was not true for the study you posted
how was trump even akin to biden
the democrats depised trump
dude, your being absurd ofc they only talk about their stances once a month
it's not as a result of them being fake but them having a job unlike you who seemingly has unlimited free time to state your positions as much and as often as you want
i would imagine being a president involves more then just public speaking events but ig that's all you think rulers of a country do
when you mean liberal are you talking about even the same group of people as me??
i feel like you quoting right wing libertarians and acting like that therefore makes every liberal right wing even if they are openly progressive
that or you just have a entirely different idea of what right wing means as opposed to how the general person uses the term
ether case being, your not using the same meaning as me
how does worstgen prove shit
it's just some forum, it's not exactly mainstream
and biden supporting helping isarel could just boil down to america as a organzation having pre existing deals with that country
it's like how trump inherited the poor policy that odama had on mexican migrants
a tad different considering foreign policy is more sensative but you get the idea
it's alot of shit that makes disney leftist/liberal
not exactly the black mermaid thing but them opposing ron desantis's bill
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/may/09/disney-v-desantis-florida-lawsuit
disney opposing legistation done by right wing figures is a reason
as goes with the blatant push for diversity and female empowered
very much leftist talking points
your kinda just assuming im racist for no good reason
dude anybody can pull up random youtubers
what even is your point
that because random idiots online made fun of her that therefore the status quo in power is right wing
there was random left wing youtubers who defended her too, really dont get this
took me a literal second to find a vid of some person defending her
almost like you can use this metric to argue anything if you cherry pick the right dumbasses
@Logiko the concern that I have with the thought experiment that you posted is that it is comparing an unborn baby to a group of adults. The unborn isn’t hijacking a woman’s body.
Your thought experiment post does read like a scifi novella. I thought it was interesting but it isn’t changing my mind.
I will read articles you post but I am not changing my views on abortion. I think society should support pregnant women by providing prenatal care, family leave/daycare, access to clean water and healthy foods, etc.
I am usually hesitant about sharing my opinions online regarding controversial topics, but I am glad that I was able to today.
Your thought experiment post does read like a scifi novella. I thought it was interesting but it isn’t changing my mind.
I will read articles you post but I am not changing my views on abortion. I think society should support pregnant women by providing prenatal care, family leave/daycare, access to clean water and healthy foods, etc.
I am usually hesitant about sharing my opinions online regarding controversial topics, but I am glad that I was able to today.
Dude, do you understand how massive the construction site would be ?
First, the entire rightist spectrum (beginning with liberals to straight up fascist will panic). Today, the overton windows has gone so far right that they see simple leftist like me like anarchist (not saying that being an anarchist is a bad things but that would not be my first goal) Plus, with the level of far right radicalism that is rising in society (bombing/attacks from the far right are in a all time high), what I would do first is put myself under tight security. Staying in the office as an leftist in a ultra liberal and patriarcal society where far right ideas are the norm is a life risking situation. I don't want to die, so there is that.
Second there is a massive work of planification. There is multiple things to attack from multiple front:
- Ultraliberalism
- Systemic racism
- Patriarchy
- Poor education system
- Desinformation.
So first, I would create or recreate a chart about the importance of science education but most of all, the importance of accepting in society social sciences as part of science (because even those in power don't believe it is a science)
Second, I would basically apply the core principles of what the LFI group in france wants to applies, a huge reform of the democracy (representation in the parliement, revocation of elected personal if the people deems it necessary etc.)
Third I would create a parliement but destined to science. It would be a chamber constituated by scientist and renawned scientific professionnal AND mix from ALL science discipline that would have for goal to read and officially approve law or ad addumdum on them before the law is voted.
This would create an visibility for science and the scientific knowledge on politic. This would also help people learn more about science and like I'm trying to do here, maybe deradicalize them on sensitive topic or at the contrary radicalize them for good reasons.
Then I would instantly create a universal wage for ALL by cutting military and security support, tax massively the super profits (/not allowing a certain degree of wealth beyond a certain outrageous point, and responsibilizing those people for them not to go away). This will lead to a nation where people are literally FREE from worries about ressources to simply live. TO that I would add MASSIVE bonuses to a series of necessary workfield.. (which would be also helped by a program of automatization of the "labor" workfields. This will highly benefit the economy as long as we do things correctly and smoothly.
Following that I would attack the problems one by one beginning with Ultra liberalism/ultranationalism/ultrasecuritarism (because when we are less poor and less stressed, we have less weight on our shoulder and we are therefore free to make other descisions).
THen it would be the case of patriarchy with a serie of counter mesure to the problems that are facing women but also for a better representation of men that are victims. I'mnot the best placed to talk about those mesureso I would absolutely refer to a council of some sort on the matter
THen you can attack different other aera (antiracism/anticolonialism etc..) or maybe do that at the same time. The goal is to target all the systemic issues, create counter offensive and make the life of everyone better..
ANd what will happen is that society will eventually (if the job is done well enough) deradicalize itself simply because there is no reason to be angry when you don't have ressource problems, where everyone - even prisonners - are treated like human beings and where everyone is not obligated to denounce everyone on twitter because the police doesn't help.. its might live us in Europe with white supremacist, but they will be oxtracized eventually.
I'm not saying it's easy and that it will take a year or two, it might take decades, but leftism will lead to a more peacefull society. After those problems are resolved, we can trydifferent type of society. We might wanna try even anarchism in time. But this is for centuries ahead.
Leftism is not a danger its the best solution we know yet. Other systems have failed.
But I don't want that kind of power, others are better suited. I'm only a messenger. I want you guys to understand those values.
Let's pipe down the psychophobia, ok ?
BEcause it was most likely a conclusion, the actual reasonning is else where in the article. And sometimes when someone says something they are often referring to past researches, those are at the ends.
This is specific to the Ncbi, not all paper are written the same way. Especially when there is a consensus between researcher.
Collusion with the far right when it fits their agenda.
And Macron despise Le pen, still they are about to install their far right principles into the law.
I will grant the fact that Biden is a liberal that is leaning very slightly to the left. He is still a liberal that doesn't understand the core principle of the problem of patriarchy
THis is not an excuse. Macron went in front of the camera to defend a rapist. And Biden has time to clearly stated his affection for the Isralian gov.
Liberal is an words that means something in terms of economy and social values. Liberalism is the apologism of notion like freedom and individualism, liberalism is the notion that we have control over our entire path and our future. Those are values that enters in conflict with the leftist values that are against individualism on a core basis and that think that we are the produce of our experiences, environment and genes and that we therefore can't be in control of everything.
That's why liberals have such problematic and self centered/individualistic responses to the problematics of the world. IN a way, leftism is the antithesis of liberalism. And the conservative right/far right are just liberalism + bigotry/sexism they are just an extention of liberalism.
That's why you need to stop calling me a liberal and listening to the far right that say that every progressive person are liberals, because that's just not who I am. I'm the opposite. The left (at least the left of today) is the natural ennemy of liberalism.
THis doesn't prove anything. This is just a representation. A way to understand how society work through the lens of a smaller society. Its not scientific, its just an observation.
Or like.. we don't support gov that do genocide ?
There is no such thing as a poor policy on migrants. Migrants is a bigot problems, migrants don't creates economic or social problems on a systemic scale therefore there is absolutely NO reason to talk about migrant unless we are bigot and we don't like people of other color/culture.
Again, this boils done to profit. If its true that they are leaning more and more to the left, their only goal is profit mate.
Or just good point to appeal to a younger and therefore more progressive audience.
Well, you are kind of proving me that you have all the trait of the far right bro..
Show me me more tolerance and I might consider that I'm wrong here.
The point is that the trial was used as an excuse to delegitimize the #MeToo movement and the words of multiple women.
In fact it was decumented in french here, showing the role the far right and incel/virilist group had as effect over the situation. Spoiler : they literally controlled the entire agenda.
(put translation in english on) (this is a summary of the documentary, it seems that the docu is not available anymore)
Again, this was not a random bunch of idiots on a forum, it was a targeted marketing strategy lead by masculinist to push the agenda against women and therefore make fun of AMber heard. This leads to an overproliferation of pro deep/anti heard content on EVERY social media platerform available.
How many of those video against video making fun of amber heard mate ? Tell me
Or are you starting to understand that there is indeed a bigger problem here ?
It is. A woman that doesn't want a baby is literally forced to give her body's ressources to a lifeform that she doesn't want to help. Like explained in the allegory, its not about wether the baby or the violonist is aware or not, its about the right of the body owner not to accept someone pumping up their lifeforce without their consent, EVEN if it means the death of said organism.
Its about the foundamental right of the one that is actually living and not the ones that is in a state of non life.
First, the entire rightist spectrum (beginning with liberals to straight up fascist will panic). Today, the overton windows has gone so far right that they see simple leftist like me like anarchist (not saying that being an anarchist is a bad things but that would not be my first goal) Plus, with the level of far right radicalism that is rising in society (bombing/attacks from the far right are in a all time high), what I would do first is put myself under tight security. Staying in the office as an leftist in a ultra liberal and patriarcal society where far right ideas are the norm is a life risking situation. I don't want to die, so there is that.
Second there is a massive work of planification. There is multiple things to attack from multiple front:
- Ultraliberalism
- Systemic racism
- Patriarchy
- Poor education system
- Desinformation.
So first, I would create or recreate a chart about the importance of science education but most of all, the importance of accepting in society social sciences as part of science (because even those in power don't believe it is a science)
Second, I would basically apply the core principles of what the LFI group in france wants to applies, a huge reform of the democracy (representation in the parliement, revocation of elected personal if the people deems it necessary etc.)
Third I would create a parliement but destined to science. It would be a chamber constituated by scientist and renawned scientific professionnal AND mix from ALL science discipline that would have for goal to read and officially approve law or ad addumdum on them before the law is voted.
This would create an visibility for science and the scientific knowledge on politic. This would also help people learn more about science and like I'm trying to do here, maybe deradicalize them on sensitive topic or at the contrary radicalize them for good reasons.
Then I would instantly create a universal wage for ALL by cutting military and security support, tax massively the super profits (/not allowing a certain degree of wealth beyond a certain outrageous point, and responsibilizing those people for them not to go away). This will lead to a nation where people are literally FREE from worries about ressources to simply live. TO that I would add MASSIVE bonuses to a series of necessary workfield.. (which would be also helped by a program of automatization of the "labor" workfields. This will highly benefit the economy as long as we do things correctly and smoothly.
Following that I would attack the problems one by one beginning with Ultra liberalism/ultranationalism/ultrasecuritarism (because when we are less poor and less stressed, we have less weight on our shoulder and we are therefore free to make other descisions).
THen it would be the case of patriarchy with a serie of counter mesure to the problems that are facing women but also for a better representation of men that are victims. I'mnot the best placed to talk about those mesureso I would absolutely refer to a council of some sort on the matter
THen you can attack different other aera (antiracism/anticolonialism etc..) or maybe do that at the same time. The goal is to target all the systemic issues, create counter offensive and make the life of everyone better..
ANd what will happen is that society will eventually (if the job is done well enough) deradicalize itself simply because there is no reason to be angry when you don't have ressource problems, where everyone - even prisonners - are treated like human beings and where everyone is not obligated to denounce everyone on twitter because the police doesn't help.. its might live us in Europe with white supremacist, but they will be oxtracized eventually.
I'm not saying it's easy and that it will take a year or two, it might take decades, but leftism will lead to a more peacefull society. After those problems are resolved, we can trydifferent type of society. We might wanna try even anarchism in time. But this is for centuries ahead.
Leftism is not a danger its the best solution we know yet. Other systems have failed.
But I don't want that kind of power, others are better suited. I'm only a messenger. I want you guys to understand those values.
Let's pipe down the psychophobia, ok ?
BEcause it was most likely a conclusion, the actual reasonning is else where in the article. And sometimes when someone says something they are often referring to past researches, those are at the ends.
This is specific to the Ncbi, not all paper are written the same way. Especially when there is a consensus between researcher.
Collusion with the far right when it fits their agenda.
And Macron despise Le pen, still they are about to install their far right principles into the law.
I will grant the fact that Biden is a liberal that is leaning very slightly to the left. He is still a liberal that doesn't understand the core principle of the problem of patriarchy
THis is not an excuse. Macron went in front of the camera to defend a rapist. And Biden has time to clearly stated his affection for the Isralian gov.
Liberal is an words that means something in terms of economy and social values. Liberalism is the apologism of notion like freedom and individualism, liberalism is the notion that we have control over our entire path and our future. Those are values that enters in conflict with the leftist values that are against individualism on a core basis and that think that we are the produce of our experiences, environment and genes and that we therefore can't be in control of everything.
That's why liberals have such problematic and self centered/individualistic responses to the problematics of the world. IN a way, leftism is the antithesis of liberalism. And the conservative right/far right are just liberalism + bigotry/sexism they are just an extention of liberalism.
That's why you need to stop calling me a liberal and listening to the far right that say that every progressive person are liberals, because that's just not who I am. I'm the opposite. The left (at least the left of today) is the natural ennemy of liberalism.
THis doesn't prove anything. This is just a representation. A way to understand how society work through the lens of a smaller society. Its not scientific, its just an observation.
Or like.. we don't support gov that do genocide ?
There is no such thing as a poor policy on migrants. Migrants is a bigot problems, migrants don't creates economic or social problems on a systemic scale therefore there is absolutely NO reason to talk about migrant unless we are bigot and we don't like people of other color/culture.
Again, this boils done to profit. If its true that they are leaning more and more to the left, their only goal is profit mate.
Or just good point to appeal to a younger and therefore more progressive audience.
Well, you are kind of proving me that you have all the trait of the far right bro..
Show me me more tolerance and I might consider that I'm wrong here.
The point is that the trial was used as an excuse to delegitimize the #MeToo movement and the words of multiple women.
In fact it was decumented in french here, showing the role the far right and incel/virilist group had as effect over the situation. Spoiler : they literally controlled the entire agenda.
Again, this was not a random bunch of idiots on a forum, it was a targeted marketing strategy lead by masculinist to push the agenda against women and therefore make fun of AMber heard. This leads to an overproliferation of pro deep/anti heard content on EVERY social media platerform available.
How many of those video against video making fun of amber heard mate ? Tell me
Or are you starting to understand that there is indeed a bigger problem here ?
It is. A woman that doesn't want a baby is literally forced to give her body's ressources to a lifeform that she doesn't want to help. Like explained in the allegory, its not about wether the baby or the violonist is aware or not, its about the right of the body owner not to accept someone pumping up their lifeforce without their consent, EVEN if it means the death of said organism.
Its about the foundamental right of the one that is actually living and not the ones that is in a state of non life.
@Logiko regarding the violinist analogy, we don’t abduct people and use them to keep someone alive. If someone is too ill doctors provide palliative care.
If a woman is raped, it’s the rapists who violates her body not the baby. (I am using the term baby instead of zygote/embryo/fetus for the sake of consistency) The baby is the result of the action not the cause. Also rapists are disgusting.
I also think you might like this article. It’s an interview with a prolife doctor on npr, which is a liberal site.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107628736/one-ob-gyn-discusses-why-she-opposes-abortions
If a woman is raped, it’s the rapists who violates her body not the baby. (I am using the term baby instead of zygote/embryo/fetus for the sake of consistency) The baby is the result of the action not the cause. Also rapists are disgusting.
I also think you might like this article. It’s an interview with a prolife doctor on npr, which is a liberal site.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107628736/one-ob-gyn-discusses-why-she-opposes-abortions
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This is an analogy, the point is not for the situation to make sence lol
First its not a baby, its a ball of semi electrical skin. Consciousness only arrives on week 20 ich so there is no point to calling it a baby at that stage.
Second, even if that things is not the cause, its still a parasite for a women that doesn't want it. Therefore its taking lifeforce out of her without her consent. And at NO POINT we must allow this to be perpetuated simply because we consider a ball of skin a "potential life". Humans are life, consciousness can be seen as life, a ball of electrical signal and skin is not.
First its not a baby, its a ball of semi electrical skin. Consciousness only arrives on week 20 ich so there is no point to calling it a baby at that stage.
Second, even if that things is not the cause, its still a parasite for a women that doesn't want it. Therefore its taking lifeforce out of her without her consent. And at NO POINT we must allow this to be perpetuated simply because we consider a ball of skin a "potential life". Humans are life, consciousness can be seen as life, a ball of electrical signal and skin is not.
Yes, we begin as zygotes because life has to start somewhere. It’s going to become a human because it is one. In fact the majority of biologist agree that life begins at fertilization.
https://secularprolife.org/2020/02/very-pro-choice-biologists-agree/
Also I am still confused by your analogy. Isn’t it better to have an analogy that makes sense and strengthens your argument?
https://secularprolife.org/2020/02/very-pro-choice-biologists-agree/
Also I am still confused by your analogy. Isn’t it better to have an analogy that makes sense and strengthens your argument?
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We are not talking about simply life here but HUMAN life, ergo the moment when our life start to became the one of a human. Problem is if I follow your reasonning, I should be very careful around plants as those are forms of life.
Therefore the question is not when life begins, but when do we allow ourself to put LIMITS on what is acceptable to kill as a life or not.
In this case, a ball of skin might be biological life and have the attribute of a biological human at this stage, but its not human as we know it yet, so its simply ok to end this form of non conscient life before a certain date that fluctuate following the nation's policies.
Therefore the question is not when life begins, but when do we allow ourself to put LIMITS on what is acceptable to kill as a life or not.
In this case, a ball of skin might be biological life and have the attribute of a biological human at this stage, but its not human as we know it yet, so its simply ok to end this form of non conscient life before a certain date that fluctuate following the nation's policies.
My point exactly
No no, even before, Heard was named a liar, a fake feminist, people were making montage of her and everyone was already agreeing to defend Johnny Depp, if I remember correctly in fact, the hashtags Justice for Johnny Deep and Amber heard is a lyer were made way before the trial.
The problem here, is the manipulation that was orchestrated by the far right and multiple incel/masculinist youtubers to place a narrative of Johnny Deep being a victim while being an violent abuser and Amber heard being a demonic like lying representation of the feminists and women. So much than when Amber heard was explaining while crying the rape she suffered, their reaction was to mock her and people followed. The same process reappeared during the process: the number of video analysing the footage of the trial and explaining that the tears they were seeing from Heard were fake are all over the place on the internet.
The reality is that Amber heard suffered the entierity of a campagn targeted toward the #metoo movments and feminists that had the goal to make people rethink the complains of women victim of abuse. And it work because of what I'm trying desesperatly to tell to @Bob74h and the rest of you:
The hegemonic vision about patriarchy is not the leftist one, its STILL the masculinistic/sexist/far right one. Nothing has changed.
Again, I give you the example of Gerard Depardieu, a famous french actor that was nominated for an Oscar for Cyrano in 91 who, he, during interviews between the 70s and the 90s was explaining in interview that he raped multiple girls. He was also taken ON CAMERA in north corea joking while speaking about his cock to his women interpret and sexualizing a 10 years old girl on a horse (saying that her clitoris was being ""exited"" by the movement of the horse) and sexually/verbally assaulting the women interprets. He is also has on his back 2 rape accusation and 16 testimony of sexual abuse.
Today, on christmas, his family just signed a tribune in a CONSERVATIVE (that hate "wokes") journal signed by more than 50 famous personnalities of the french cinema and music explaining basically that he was too much of a great artist to be vilified and hated for "some jokes"
A few days ago it was the french president who was defending him ON TV and refusing to take his medal of honor back from him.
And since the parution of the documentary that revealed those images, multiple liberal mainstream channels gave a tribune to rando people defending him and CNews, a far right chanel, even created multiple show to defend him, with one of the example of a saying from a WOMAN (E. Levy) and editorialist : "Freud was saying that children are sexual beings so its ok"
There.
This is what happens in France, a country ruled by a LIBERAL that is leaning toward the far right. Now imagine what can happen in country ruled by the far right itself.
All of this to say this:
My vision and the vision of the left are FAR from being universal and hegemonic. The reality is that Patriarchy is still kicking and still has a grasp up until high places of power in Europe or in America. What happened with Depardieu in France happened with Trump, it happened with Depp and it happened also with brad pitt btw. With a common denominator :
The delegitimization of the anger of victim of abuse.
No no, even before, Heard was named a liar, a fake feminist, people were making montage of her and everyone was already agreeing to defend Johnny Depp, if I remember correctly in fact, the hashtags Justice for Johnny Deep and Amber heard is a lyer were made way before the trial.
The problem here, is the manipulation that was orchestrated by the far right and multiple incel/masculinist youtubers to place a narrative of Johnny Deep being a victim while being an violent abuser and Amber heard being a demonic like lying representation of the feminists and women. So much than when Amber heard was explaining while crying the rape she suffered, their reaction was to mock her and people followed. The same process reappeared during the process: the number of video analysing the footage of the trial and explaining that the tears they were seeing from Heard were fake are all over the place on the internet.
The reality is that Amber heard suffered the entierity of a campagn targeted toward the #metoo movments and feminists that had the goal to make people rethink the complains of women victim of abuse. And it work because of what I'm trying desesperatly to tell to @Bob74h and the rest of you:
The hegemonic vision about patriarchy is not the leftist one, its STILL the masculinistic/sexist/far right one. Nothing has changed.
Again, I give you the example of Gerard Depardieu, a famous french actor that was nominated for an Oscar for Cyrano in 91 who, he, during interviews between the 70s and the 90s was explaining in interview that he raped multiple girls. He was also taken ON CAMERA in north corea joking while speaking about his cock to his women interpret and sexualizing a 10 years old girl on a horse (saying that her clitoris was being ""exited"" by the movement of the horse) and sexually/verbally assaulting the women interprets. He is also has on his back 2 rape accusation and 16 testimony of sexual abuse.
Today, on christmas, his family just signed a tribune in a CONSERVATIVE (that hate "wokes") journal signed by more than 50 famous personnalities of the french cinema and music explaining basically that he was too much of a great artist to be vilified and hated for "some jokes"
A few days ago it was the french president who was defending him ON TV and refusing to take his medal of honor back from him.
And since the parution of the documentary that revealed those images, multiple liberal mainstream channels gave a tribune to rando people defending him and CNews, a far right chanel, even created multiple show to defend him, with one of the example of a saying from a WOMAN (E. Levy) and editorialist : "Freud was saying that children are sexual beings so its ok"
There.
This is what happens in France, a country ruled by a LIBERAL that is leaning toward the far right. Now imagine what can happen in country ruled by the far right itself.
All of this to say this:
My vision and the vision of the left are FAR from being universal and hegemonic. The reality is that Patriarchy is still kicking and still has a grasp up until high places of power in Europe or in America. What happened with Depardieu in France happened with Trump, it happened with Depp and it happened also with brad pitt btw. With a common denominator :
The delegitimization of the anger of victim of abuse.
Amber Heard is and was a fucking liar, stop trying to defend her or whatever, Fucking sick.
And stop trying to bring up da Patriarchy, that's just conspiracy bullshit. Women are just as manipulative, AH case in point.
You and your whole ilk are spreading Regressive Bullshit and should be shot down instead of spreading the crap.
And stop trying to bring up da Patriarchy, that's just conspiracy bullshit. Women are just as manipulative, AH case in point.
You and your whole ilk are spreading Regressive Bullshit and should be shot down instead of spreading the crap.
Did you watch the trial?
Amber is a fucking psychopath lmao
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And johnny didnt suffer anything prior to the trial, amirite.
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I do think its necessary to distinguish between the artist and the art.
Michael jackson made awesome music even if he maybe fiddled with kids
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Are you on about some "believe all women" shit?
Cause then i couldnt disagree more.
False accusers need to be held accountable as well.
Amber is a fucking psychopath lmao
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And johnny didnt suffer anything prior to the trial, amirite.
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I do think its necessary to distinguish between the artist and the art.
Michael jackson made awesome music even if he maybe fiddled with kids
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Are you on about some "believe all women" shit?
Cause then i couldnt disagree more.
False accusers need to be held accountable as well.
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