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what privilege??
are you speaking on
what advantage exist for immigrants from Ukraine as opposed to africa?
if position is given to a foreigner that is a job that could of been given to a black person who was born and raised in america
but despite saying to care about black people, it's all good having foreigners take their jobs
people who themselves liberal have the set of positions as you
you just dislike the label cause it equates to status quo people like biden
you want the politics associated but not the venre of being the ruling party
it's all just optics to make you look better
you differ as much from these liberals as a chicken differs to a foul
which is to say it's the same shit just a different terminology
no but that was never the point
the point was that the decisions the liberals are making are not drawing profits
it's getting them backlash, that is true wither you support them having dylan or not
and so it's not really logical to say their supporting leftist causes for money when it really aint making them money
two reasons
time preference cant spend all my time dedicated to every country
it's easier to focus on 1 to 2 countries
and besides it's just difficult to keep up with politics of a country who's language you dont speak
Yes when you listen to the biologist consensus but in when you read them, its a little more difficult than that in reality, the line between life and absence of life is not that clear.
Nop, not yet. You are confusing the beginning of life (which is again a consensus but debated) with the beginning of humanity AND the beginning of conscisouness (what makes us human in the first place)
And how did she acted in the trial exactly ? What are your evidences mate ?
This is not suffering, this is losing contracts. If I remember correctly Johnny Depp still has FAR ENOUGH to live a maximalist confortable life. So let's not compare plain harrasment and the global delegitimation of rape testimonies with a loss of contracts shall we.
Let's not be assholes.
No, that's just the right thing to do when society is forged in a way where women's testimonies and accusations are systematically delegitimized and non treated.
This is called equity. Maybe that's not a concept you understand.
https://hir.harvard.edu/the-limitations-of-humanity-differential-refugee-treatment-in-the-eu/
Read and maybe accept the systemic racist reality
Transwomen are women, so Dylan Mulvaney is a women. What are you trying to tell us here ?
Nop, they lost money because they alienated the ones they were trying to appeal to in the first place : progressist that stopped to support them after that.
Are you F*CKING trying to say that meaningless and poorly paid difficult jobs should be given to black people here ??????????????
No they don't. You still ignorant about basic political position.
You are confusing liberalism with progressism again... and again.. and again... despite me giving you clear reasons why those are not the same things.
Exactly, and I'm against the status co so I'm not like Biden. You should know by now that I'm seeking change and not status co like people like you or bidenor Macron
Nop only you is doing this. I'm talking about the origin of migrant, not their colors.
But if you want to talk about colors we can, with the example of the difference of treatment between white and racialised migrants.
There is no such thing as race, there is only one human specie.
Nop, its because we disagree on pretty much everything. Like I said, I want this:
And liberals don't want that. They want the opposite. (And I'm not even talking about bigot like conservative and the far right who just call us communist for wanting those things)
SO again, you don't understand the BASIC principle that the left are actually opposed to liberalism. Simply because your vision of politic is black and white and because you here the words "liberals" talking about progressism values a bit too much in far right circles.
In this case it was as the target audience is too make more profit by appealing to progressist buyers.
There is a difference between not caring and not checking all the news about a country. France is one of the biggest economic power in the world so our country matters on the international scale and our racist laws and politics can have ripple effects and impacts on the entire Europe, lets not be naive about that.
Nop, not yet. You are confusing the beginning of life (which is again a consensus but debated) with the beginning of humanity AND the beginning of conscisouness (what makes us human in the first place)
And how did she acted in the trial exactly ? What are your evidences mate ?
This is not suffering, this is losing contracts. If I remember correctly Johnny Depp still has FAR ENOUGH to live a maximalist confortable life. So let's not compare plain harrasment and the global delegitimation of rape testimonies with a loss of contracts shall we.
Let's not be assholes.
No, that's just the right thing to do when society is forged in a way where women's testimonies and accusations are systematically delegitimized and non treated.
This is called equity. Maybe that's not a concept you understand.
https://hir.harvard.edu/the-limitations-of-humanity-differential-refugee-treatment-in-the-eu/
Read and maybe accept the systemic racist reality
Transwomen are women, so Dylan Mulvaney is a women. What are you trying to tell us here ?
Nop, they lost money because they alienated the ones they were trying to appeal to in the first place : progressist that stopped to support them after that.
Are you F*CKING trying to say that meaningless and poorly paid difficult jobs should be given to black people here ??????????????
No they don't. You still ignorant about basic political position.
You are confusing liberalism with progressism again... and again.. and again... despite me giving you clear reasons why those are not the same things.
Exactly, and I'm against the status co so I'm not like Biden. You should know by now that I'm seeking change and not status co like people like you or bidenor Macron
Nop only you is doing this. I'm talking about the origin of migrant, not their colors.
But if you want to talk about colors we can, with the example of the difference of treatment between white and racialised migrants.
There is no such thing as race, there is only one human specie.
Nop, its because we disagree on pretty much everything. Like I said, I want this:
And liberals don't want that. They want the opposite. (And I'm not even talking about bigot like conservative and the far right who just call us communist for wanting those things)
SO again, you don't understand the BASIC principle that the left are actually opposed to liberalism. Simply because your vision of politic is black and white and because you here the words "liberals" talking about progressism values a bit too much in far right circles.
In this case it was as the target audience is too make more profit by appealing to progressist buyers.
There is a difference between not caring and not checking all the news about a country. France is one of the biggest economic power in the world so our country matters on the international scale and our racist laws and politics can have ripple effects and impacts on the entire Europe, lets not be naive about that.
If we go by science, life cycle starts at fertilization and a zygote is the first developmental stage
No. You are confusing being an individual of the species homo sapiens with philosophical personhood or whatever.
Like that whole deal with the donation/pledge nonsense for example.
Rich ass fucking people can still suffer mentally over a wide variety of things.
Nah going by evidence is the right thing to do.
Transwomen are transwomen, since "woman" is still defined by being female, even if you refuse to acceot basic definitions for basic terms
So the anti-woke brigade boycotting them didnt make them lose money? If thats the case, why would they need to backpedal?
No. You are confusing being an individual of the species homo sapiens with philosophical personhood or whatever.
Like that whole deal with the donation/pledge nonsense for example.
Rich ass fucking people can still suffer mentally over a wide variety of things.
Nah going by evidence is the right thing to do.
Transwomen are women, so Dylan Mulvaney is a women. What are you trying to tell us here ?
So the anti-woke brigade boycotting them didnt make them lose money? If thats the case, why would they need to backpedal?
Dylan is a dude. And a p.o.s. faker too.
Depp lost work, That's countless money loss, we're you in the same position, You'd be livid.
#IstandwithVic , because of people that spread this crap ass ideologies this world's gone to shit. Yet you think you're helping to build a Utopia, Couldn't be further from the truth.
Depp lost work, That's countless money loss, we're you in the same position, You'd be livid.
#IstandwithVic , because of people that spread this crap ass ideologies this world's gone to shit. Yet you think you're helping to build a Utopia, Couldn't be further from the truth.
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Like I said its the biologist consensus, because there needs to be an answer, but in reality when we dig deeper there is a clear debate about the frontiere between the existence and the absence of life itself.
No no. You are mconfusing the creation of life and the creation of a human life. In reality a blob of skin really becomes human (meaning having all the attribute of what makes us different from animals and plants) on the 20th week when we aquire consciousness.
The debate is therefore not when do life begin, but when do we consider that humanity begins. Because if we consider that we must absolutely preserve life no matter, then we must also preserve all the life on our planete including plants. That's just not possible so we have create a limit to the moment we consider acceptable to prevent the development of the life form to go farther.
That's why there are different time limit in function of the countries and states.
Yup, it was a lie. She didn't donate to charity. Does this make her a complete psychopath and compulsive liar ? Absolutely not. Sometimes you just lie for your image and that's why she did.
No one is saying that heard is a saint in this trial, we are not blind over some of her lies, what we are denouncing is the difference of treatment between Depp and Heard. Because yes, the guys was an abuser.
You absolutely need to understand that because a woman do something unlawfull, this doesn't negate situation as a victim. Heard is still a victim of abuse EVEN if she lied about some charity donation.
The problem is when men like you are using the bits of negativity that you can find on women to denigrate their entire situations. That's called sexism.
Of course, that's precisely why I say that Amber Heard actually suffered when Depp did not. Depp lost contracts, he didn't get wordwide shamed on the internet and medias, he was not harrassed, she was.
Only in a utopia where people of different gender have the same rights, priviledges and social status. Then yes, going by evidences would be the right thing to do.
Social science proved us that this is not enough in our society. We need to use equity. And for that we must put her trust first into victim as there are the ones who will suffer sometimes physically and most of the time mentally by the backlash of speaking about their situations when we also know that on the great scale, there is very little repercussion on the accused.
Transwomen are women. If you refuse to accept that, then you are denying there identity. You can, but that would make you a transphobe. So be careful.
I won't have this debate with you again as you absolutely don't care about science and only your transphobic definitions.
Just respect women or don't speak about that, unless you want a report.
Technically yes, but when we look at the situation we see that this was an unintended effect as those were the reason why the production took a step back on their product. In reality the loss comes from both sides.
The point is, the marketing strategy was created to make profit, they didn't sticked with it, so they lost money.
Ok transphobe.
Livid, yes, mentally and physically hurt, no. He could still live better that most modestly rich people in the country.
Only you bro... only you, unless you are talking about the rise of the far right like yourself, then I agree, its going to sh*t.
No, just a better society, we are far from building a utopia
No no. You are mconfusing the creation of life and the creation of a human life. In reality a blob of skin really becomes human (meaning having all the attribute of what makes us different from animals and plants) on the 20th week when we aquire consciousness.
The debate is therefore not when do life begin, but when do we consider that humanity begins. Because if we consider that we must absolutely preserve life no matter, then we must also preserve all the life on our planete including plants. That's just not possible so we have create a limit to the moment we consider acceptable to prevent the development of the life form to go farther.
That's why there are different time limit in function of the countries and states.
Yup, it was a lie. She didn't donate to charity. Does this make her a complete psychopath and compulsive liar ? Absolutely not. Sometimes you just lie for your image and that's why she did.
No one is saying that heard is a saint in this trial, we are not blind over some of her lies, what we are denouncing is the difference of treatment between Depp and Heard. Because yes, the guys was an abuser.
You absolutely need to understand that because a woman do something unlawfull, this doesn't negate situation as a victim. Heard is still a victim of abuse EVEN if she lied about some charity donation.
The problem is when men like you are using the bits of negativity that you can find on women to denigrate their entire situations. That's called sexism.
Of course, that's precisely why I say that Amber Heard actually suffered when Depp did not. Depp lost contracts, he didn't get wordwide shamed on the internet and medias, he was not harrassed, she was.
Only in a utopia where people of different gender have the same rights, priviledges and social status. Then yes, going by evidences would be the right thing to do.
Social science proved us that this is not enough in our society. We need to use equity. And for that we must put her trust first into victim as there are the ones who will suffer sometimes physically and most of the time mentally by the backlash of speaking about their situations when we also know that on the great scale, there is very little repercussion on the accused.
Transwomen are women. If you refuse to accept that, then you are denying there identity. You can, but that would make you a transphobe. So be careful.
I won't have this debate with you again as you absolutely don't care about science and only your transphobic definitions.
Just respect women or don't speak about that, unless you want a report.
Technically yes, but when we look at the situation we see that this was an unintended effect as those were the reason why the production took a step back on their product. In reality the loss comes from both sides.
The point is, the marketing strategy was created to make profit, they didn't sticked with it, so they lost money.
Ok transphobe.
Livid, yes, mentally and physically hurt, no. He could still live better that most modestly rich people in the country.
Only you bro... only you, unless you are talking about the rise of the far right like yourself, then I agree, its going to sh*t.
No, just a better society, we are far from building a utopia
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Not in this context really.
Uhm so that life form eventually becomes human?
No dude, its a member of homo sapiens from the first developmental life stage, so zygote.
Mind you this is purely biological and doesnt necessarily have to do with the abortion debate
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Uhm so that life form eventually becomes human?
No dude, its a member of homo sapiens from the first developmental life stage, so zygote.
Mind you this is purely biological and doesnt necessarily have to do with the abortion debate
Sorry, I think you are misstaken, you are saying to the guys who deradicalized himself from the far right and complotism, who went from being anti SJW to a militant leftist, who went from liberals to anti liberal, who went from not knowing anything about science to sociologist apologist, who went from ignorance to knowledge about multiple subject such as feminism/antiracism/anticolonialism/antifascism.. that he is in a "closed off mindset".
We are indeed. Sadly for you, science is on our side, and you won't suppress science. So you WILL lose mate. The far right you are the representation of will eventually lose again. It might come back again, but will lose again, and again, and again.
Simply because reality is not on your side.
You can either accept it, or take a rock and live under it. But take an umbrella, more rocks are coming your way.
We are indeed. Sadly for you, science is on our side, and you won't suppress science. So you WILL lose mate. The far right you are the representation of will eventually lose again. It might come back again, but will lose again, and again, and again.
Simply because reality is not on your side.
You can either accept it, or take a rock and live under it. But take an umbrella, more rocks are coming your way.
Obviously unlawful fucks can have have other people commit crimes against them. Thanks captain obvious.
If only she had the evidence backing up her extraordinary claims.
No im not, and even if i were, cry me a river
*basic definitions vast majority of people use and have used for ages.
Not my fault that the definitions are based around sex and not gender identity. Dont blame me. Hit me up when dictionaries show your fringe version as the default. I think that will need some decades to happen though
If only she had the evidence backing up her extraordinary claims.
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No im not, and even if i were, cry me a river
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*basic definitions vast majority of people use and have used for ages.
Not my fault that the definitions are based around sex and not gender identity. Dont blame me. Hit me up when dictionaries show your fringe version as the default. I think that will need some decades to happen though
races exist
the whole idea of racial equality arguments only make sense if race is real
leftists/liberals preach black rights so if black people as a category are not real then what's the point of advocating for them
they arent real afterall
besides two breeds of dog can exist both be dogs just as two races and can exist yet still both be homo sapiens
i dont see any difference
between a human life and just life itself
it's just stages of life, im not anymore me then a zygote of myself or a egg of myself
their just different stages in my existence before being born much like frogs starting out as eggs then turning into tadpoles before ultimately becoming a frog
it's kinda strictly ideological tho
i see it on a case to case basis if im speaking kinda factually then male = adult man but if on a interpersonal level, who gives a shit if a man calls himself a woman or woman calls them self a man
at the end of the day, I belilive in freedom so they wanna dress and act as whatever then they should be allowed to do that
probably both are true in this case
it's entirely possible amber was stressed over internet mockery and johnny was stressed over losing contracts
it did not have to be mutually
question carrot unrelated but why does nobody talk about russia vs ukraine war anymore all the discourse just shifted to isarel vs palestine
for 1 why does that equate
and for 2 what would be the issue with preserving plant life if anything protecting nature should be considered a just action
infact im one of those people who would support protecting all animal and plant life, we need to care about conservation of other species
In this context we are not debating about the beginning of life, but the frontiere we put on the beginning of humanity. Simply because clinging to life would means that we must have the same respect for plants.
Only if its not stopped
Biologicaly yes, it has the POTENTIAL of becoming a FULL human, but until it gets ALL the attribute of an homosapians sapians, its only skin + energy. Consciousness only arise around week 20th, its here that the potential gets real.
The question of abortion is dominant in conservative and far right debate because for them it stopped a human life, but in reality abortion only stops a bunch of skin+ energy to develop INTO a human. its not conscious yet. Therefore it can be stopped. If you disagree with that, then you also need to fight against people who walk on grass, recolt plants or cut trees
Then its not enough to prove that she is a psychopath.
She had them mate. Not about the rape, but about the agressions. She also had testimonies backing her up, do not forget that.
You do what you want, just be aware of the consequences.
Definitions are like species, they evolves with time and environment pressure. So your argument holds no power here. Your definition (which are not even definitions in fact, you just refuse to call a trans woman a woman) are bonkers, they are anti scientific.
This is stupid, not psychopathic. Words have meanings.
To engage in resistance against their government ? No, not really. But that's an idea.
Nop. Careful, the report button is close.
No.
What you are confusing is the inexistance of races and the existence of a process called "racialization". Racialization is a social PASSIVE process where people create sociological races because of the color of the skin, the origins or the confessions of a person.
What we must stop is THAT racialization process and for that we must accept that there is systemic racism in place in the world.
Nop. Usually liberals don't preach "black rights", usually they do not care. But once again you are showing how ignorant you are about the subject, how would you know that when you don't even want to make the distinction between a liberal and a leftist.
Black people are part of a SOCIAL GROUP. Its a population, not a race. This group is characterized by the racialization process they face because of they varying dark skin
In theory yes, but the human specie didn't divided enough biologically to do that. And even in that condition, this would not be a reason to creaty hierarchy between those races
The question is not about the existence of life itself, its about thelimit we put on the possibility to ends this lifeform before it becomes conscious.
No its not. Trans identity is a scientific data.
You are equating the impact of harrasment with stress. The effect of harrasment is not only stress, its also trauma. Let's not be intellectually dishonest here.
Many possible reasons:
- We are closer in term of culture to Israel than Ukraine
- The conflict against Ukraine do not create spectacle
- Because the death toll is much higher on the palestinian side when you look at the temporality of the conflict
Because life is life.
There is two reasons why people wants the end of abortion:
- Because it stripped life away
- Because it strip the potential of a human life away
Those two reasons are problematic:
- In the first point, Life is life, so if we must prevent life from being stripped away, we must do it for all living things including plants
- For the second point, this is a bad argument as a potential human when unwanted is just a potential, its not a full human yet and not conscious. Its just a conceptual being, so there is no rationnal reason to want the end of abortion in that case
THen this would be coherent if you never walk on grass or recolt a flower. I mean, why not, but good luck with that when we know that our carbon footprint already will have indirect negative effects on plants so.. again, good luck with that.
Only if its not stopped
Biologicaly yes, it has the POTENTIAL of becoming a FULL human, but until it gets ALL the attribute of an homosapians sapians, its only skin + energy. Consciousness only arise around week 20th, its here that the potential gets real.
The question of abortion is dominant in conservative and far right debate because for them it stopped a human life, but in reality abortion only stops a bunch of skin+ energy to develop INTO a human. its not conscious yet. Therefore it can be stopped. If you disagree with that, then you also need to fight against people who walk on grass, recolt plants or cut trees
Then its not enough to prove that she is a psychopath.
She had them mate. Not about the rape, but about the agressions. She also had testimonies backing her up, do not forget that.
You do what you want, just be aware of the consequences.
Definitions are like species, they evolves with time and environment pressure. So your argument holds no power here. Your definition (which are not even definitions in fact, you just refuse to call a trans woman a woman) are bonkers, they are anti scientific.
This is stupid, not psychopathic. Words have meanings.
To engage in resistance against their government ? No, not really. But that's an idea.
Nop. Careful, the report button is close.
No.
What you are confusing is the inexistance of races and the existence of a process called "racialization". Racialization is a social PASSIVE process where people create sociological races because of the color of the skin, the origins or the confessions of a person.
What we must stop is THAT racialization process and for that we must accept that there is systemic racism in place in the world.
Nop. Usually liberals don't preach "black rights", usually they do not care. But once again you are showing how ignorant you are about the subject, how would you know that when you don't even want to make the distinction between a liberal and a leftist.
Black people are part of a SOCIAL GROUP. Its a population, not a race. This group is characterized by the racialization process they face because of they varying dark skin
In theory yes, but the human specie didn't divided enough biologically to do that. And even in that condition, this would not be a reason to creaty hierarchy between those races
The question is not about the existence of life itself, its about thelimit we put on the possibility to ends this lifeform before it becomes conscious.
No its not. Trans identity is a scientific data.
You are equating the impact of harrasment with stress. The effect of harrasment is not only stress, its also trauma. Let's not be intellectually dishonest here.
Many possible reasons:
- We are closer in term of culture to Israel than Ukraine
- The conflict against Ukraine do not create spectacle
- Because the death toll is much higher on the palestinian side when you look at the temporality of the conflict
Because life is life.
There is two reasons why people wants the end of abortion:
- Because it stripped life away
- Because it strip the potential of a human life away
Those two reasons are problematic:
- In the first point, Life is life, so if we must prevent life from being stripped away, we must do it for all living things including plants
- For the second point, this is a bad argument as a potential human when unwanted is just a potential, its not a full human yet and not conscious. Its just a conceptual being, so there is no rationnal reason to want the end of abortion in that case
THen this would be coherent if you never walk on grass or recolt a flower. I mean, why not, but good luck with that when we know that our carbon footprint already will have indirect negative effects on plants so.. again, good luck with that.