Nope. Some gun stores don't do that to make a quick buck. Gotta get that money.

Minimum age of 21, mental and physical health check, and acquiring a gun certificate should be the bare minimum. Also should recertify every year.
So what you are saying is that people break the law and as such they can acquire guns more easily.
And the answer is to make law stricter so this people will actually start to follow them?

I really seem unable to follow this logic.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
yea some states in USA are wild when it comes to gun purchase. Here gun stores require gun license on purchase and I think there is even time period you gotta wait in some stores
Those stores have common sense.

Sounds like a sketchy place of yours. No offense.
None taken. It's obviously sketchy to make more money. Gun stores all over America does this and its usually the ones(without ranges) trying to stay afloat.

So what you are saying is that people break the law and as such they can acquire guns more easily.
And the answer is to make law stricter so this people will actually start to follow them?

I really seem unable to follow this logic.
What? Criminals break laws????
 
It is about prevention rather than following laws.
Prevention is fighting:
  • Gang Culture
  • Cultural segregation
  • Mental issues
  • Bullism
That will prevent much more mass shooting than banning guns.
Just like alcholism is beaten by:
  • Better education
  • Culture war against "Cool Alcohol"
Cigarette are the perfect example.
They are not banned almost anywhere, but making them less cool and destroying the cultural appeal made the consumption drop significantly in the west.
 
Gun violence has decreased by 40% since the 90s due to increase in security and hun restrictions. Gun coverage since Columbine has increased by 800% so we're much more exposed to it.

Gun controversy is one of the biggest money makers for news stations.
Gun violence is the most overrated topic in the U.S considering how much coverage it gets compared to the amount of gun deaths
 
Nah it is even easier for criminals. They have back channels and people to hook them up. Even non criminals know criminals that can hook them up. Buying a gun illegally is pretty simple.

Hence guns shouldn't be banned, only regulated with more background checks
We are talking about mass shooters here. Mass shooter buy guns legally as they don't care about consequences.

In any cases :

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/


Guns should be out of stores (unless you have a solid license) on the simple principle that there is absolutely ZERO logical reason to keep gun around beside decoration as we know that more guns don't prevent crimes and that gun's ownership increase the rate of potential victims:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/


Gun violence is the most overrated topic in the U.S considering how much coverage it gets compared to the amount of gun deaths
Do you really want me to compare the number because of gun between the US and Europe ?
Also go tell that to families who just lost kids and parents in a shootings..

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/

Agent of the status co
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
That is my entire point Uncle Van.
More laws don't mean a better country..
It's obvious what your point is. I was just joining in on the sarcasm lol

Gun violence is the most overrated topic in the U.S considering how much coverage it gets compared to the amount of gun deaths
It's just another popular tool to divide into people into shiity Democrat vs Republican wars. Just make the problem simple and give simple answers.
 
We are talking about mass shooters here. Mass shooter buy guns legally as they don't care about consequences.

In any cases :

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/


Guns should be out of stores (unless you have a solid license) on the simple principle that there is absolutely ZERO logical reason to keep gun around beside decoration as we know that more guns don't prevent crimes and that gun's ownership increase the rate of potential victims:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/
Just make people get licenses and submit paperwork and it is GG
 
Do you really want me to compare the number because of gun between the US and Europe ?
Also go tell that to families who just lost kids and parents in a shootings..

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/

Agent of the status co
tf does Europe have to do with anything? Me and Van are talking about U.S Media

and yeah, if I say "x" cancer is not as bad as people make it sound I expect the relatives of the people who died from it to be pissed. We don't expect close relatives to be rational when the tragedy hits close to home
 
tf does Europe have to do with anything? Me and Van are talking about U.S Media
The goal is to make you understand that the statistic of shootings in the US are not normal and therefore this topic of gun control is not AT ALL overrated.


and yeah, if I say "x" cancer is not as bad as people make it sound I expect the relatives of the people who died from it to be pissed. We don't expect close relatives to be rational when the tragedy hits close to home
Rationality is listening to science when it says that more gun control will save more lives
Rationality is being angry at people who are defending gun easy access when shootings happens.

Rationnality is not the absence of emotion. Its using emotions toward progress.


No that's it. Literally all modern nations in the west do it like that and we have way way less shootings than USA
Remember the principle of equity I was talking about with subject like systemic racism and patriarchy. It must be applied here for the US and gun controls.

The US are not just another country. Its a nation that has core problems in the understanding and the prevention of ultra destructive behavior (there are many reason for that)

Therefore "doing like other country" will NOT be enough. This country must do more, it must do better because they have more problem than the rest of us on this specific topic.
 
The goal is to make you understand that the statistic of shootings in the US are not normal and therefore this topic of gun control is not AT ALL overrated.
The U.S has the most guns in the world per capita, and even then gun deaths are relatively a small amount compared to stuff like car crashes.

Yes the media overrates it. I think me and Van agree that there's a problem, but is it as bad as the media paints it? No way.


This is like climate change doomerism. If you tell people the world is going to end in 2 years they'll tune you out, despite how real climate change is



Rationality is listening to science when it says that more gun control will save more lives
Rationality is being angry at people who are defending gun easy access when shootings happens.

Rationnality is not the absence of emotion. Its using emotions toward progress.
What exactly makes you think I am against gun control?

Also rationality by definition is the absence of emotion lmao
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Trying to ban guns saying it's the problem is taken responsibility away from the individual. A country in Europe once banned pocket knives and it did nothing to reduce stabbings cause people started using kitchen knives instead.

With guns, people will always get them illegally no matter what, so banning guns just make those who obey the law more vulnerable.

Funnily enough, most mass shootings and gun violence happens in blue states with a notable poverty rates. California had the most mass shootings in 2023. Its the blue states that mostly scream for gun banning and blame red states which is ironic. Increase those regulations.
 
Trying to ban guns saying it's the problem is taken responsibility away from the individual. A country in Europe once banned pocket knives and it did nothing to reduce stabbings cause people started using kitchen knives instead.

With guns, people will always get them illegally no matter what, so banning guns just make those who obey the law more vulnerable.

Funnily enough, most mass shootings and gun violence happens in blue states with a notable poverty rates. California had the most mass shootings in 2023. Its the blue states that mostly scream for gun banning and blame red states which is ironic. Increase those regulations.
You're wasting your time, when you bring up a completely equivalent case as drugs or knife violence he says it's fallacious without even explaining why.
You are talking with a 40 year old virgin that thinks writing here is gonan change the world, a legitimate retard.
 
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