Trying to ban guns saying it's the problem is taken responsibility away from the individual. A country in Europe once banned pocket knives and it did nothing to reduce stabbings cause people started using kitchen knives instead.

With guns, people will always get them illegally no matter what, so banning guns just make those who obey the law more vulnerable.

Funnily enough, most mass shootings and gun violence happens in blue states with a notable poverty rates. California had the most mass shootings in 2023. Its the blue states that mostly scream for gun banning and blame red states which is ironic. Increase those regulations.
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You're wasting your time, when you bring up a completely equivalent case as drugs or knife violence he says it's fallacious without even explaining why.
You are talking with a 40 year old virgin that thinks writing here is gonan change the world, a legitimate retard.
I assume you're talking about C4N. Sorry. I haven't read a post of his in months cause it's a waste of time.

All would be good if we legalized prostitution and taxed it
Bad idea due to its significant relation to human trafficking, missing persons and illegal drugs.
 
Actually even in terrorism, killing is not the goal. What is important for them is what they gain from those murder.

In both cases there is a gain:
- Celebrity for a school shooter
- Internet political distruption, vengeance or fear for terrorist
You seem to be an expert when it comes to what terrorists think:saden:
You guys are agents of the status co.

"Don't change things, things could change and we don't want that"

In two pages, not ONE person came to say "I want less victim, let's reduce gun's access".. No, each one of you came with one argument "PeOpLe ArE tHe PrObLeM, so let's not do the one obvious thing that could reduce the number of victims"

Which is, again, a liberal and apolitical way of seeing the world. This is an individualistic vision of society where people should be responsibilized for their actions and the system/institution shouldn't be blamed for anything.
Stop lying already
 
And you don't understand that USA is rebel nation and if you try to ban anything from drag shows to guns people will fucking riot lmao
There is nothing rebellious about wanting to keep the second amendment intact. Its in fact just a representation of conservatism and the willingness to keep the status co alive and well and not create deep change int the society.

People might riot indeed. But that won't be because of a rebellious mindset, it will be because of the desire to keep their priviledges intact.

"The rebels" if there really needs to be such a faction, are those who opposes the established system and institution. Its those who understand that the constitution must be changed.

Rebels are those who are laughed at or casted out by society, its those who are considered the real danger by institutions compared to the far right.



The U.S has the most guns in the world per capita, and even then gun deaths are relatively a small amount compared to stuff like car crashes.
You are comparing salads and steaks, its completely fallacious.The first part of your sentence should make you understand that the situation of gun in the US is not normal.


Yes the media overrates it. I think me and Van agree that there's a problem, but is it as bad as the media paints it? No way.
Of course it is.


This is like climate change doomerism. If you tell people the world is going to end in 2 years they'll tune you out, despite how real climate change is
That's again a fallacious rethoric that implies basically that because someone screams too loudly, then its their fault if people don't listen to them. This is a common sexist rethoric that feminist women face. The reality is that climatosceptiscism and gun's advocatism are in a all time high and people just don't want to listen AT ALL at those who are screaming "danger" to them because they are lead to believe the opposite BY conservative NEWS medias


What exactly makes you think I am against gun control?
Usually people who are for gun control don't explain that the subject is "overrated" because they understand how abnormal the number of shootings in the US is.


Also rationality by definition is the absence of emotion lmao
Nop


Trying to ban guns saying it's the problem is taken responsibility away from the individual. A country in Europe once banned pocket knives and it did nothing to reduce stabbings cause people started using kitchen knives instead.
Annnnnd that's what I explained here:


You guys are agents of the status co.

"Don't change things, things could change and we don't want that"

In two pages, not ONE person came to say "I want less victim, let's reduce gun's access".. No, each one of you came with one argument "PeOpLe ArE tHe PrObLeM, so let's not do the one obvious thing that could reduce the number of victims"

Which is, again, a liberal and apolitical way of seeing the world. This is an individualistic vision of society where people should be responsibilized for their actions and the system/institution shouldn't be blamed for anything.

"The Islamic radicalization is rising in Europe ? That's because because people must be listening to religion fanatic to much... this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that we are letting far right and islamophobic discourse enter the public debate and that we are supporting countries who are doing genocide on Muslim populations....."

"An increase of far right terrorist attack ? This is because people are too dumb to listen to reason and not at all because institutions and media are pushing far right narratives to the limits or because a far right celebrity is able to arrive to the office or because a social media CEO is able to propagate conspiracy and anti woke theories or because news medias are working with the far right to target "woke propaganda"

"An increase of school shootings ? This is because of video games and because parents don't raise correctly their kids and ABSOLUTELY NOT because the health system is completely broken or because we make a star out of school shooters or because its as F*cking easy to buy a gun that to buy a video Game !!"

In this liberal and apolitical world... people are responsible, its the vision of the human above all systems... its therefore our responsibility not to become criminals and the system holds NO responsibility whatsoever !

If people rob, then it must be because they are bad apples and not because they are poor and abandonned by society
If people rape, then is must be because they are pigs and not because they are people in power in a society that enables their behaviors
If people do mass shootings, then is must be because they are monsters and not at all because society is completely paralyzed in the understanding of mental illness and destructive behaviors and gun regulations.. (edit: even if mental health is but a part of the issue, its actually larger than that)

So yeah... Let's keep the status co.. Let's legitimize the fact of doing nothing by explaining that people are the problem.
This is the common liberal/conservative myth that "people are responsible for their action therefore we shouldn't deresponsibize them by changing the system too much"

Mixed with the common gun lobbyist vision that "people will find a way anyway".

When in reality both those assertion are fallacious and in denial of reality. Responsibilizing people only negate the impact society has on people and people (here we are talking about kids who goes on shooting spree) will most likely won't try another way if we prevent them from getting a gun in the first place. This would be the point of this dissuasion barrier.

This doesn't fix all the problems, but it will prevent a lot.

drugs or knife violence he says it's fallacious without even explaining why.
Its fallacious because the number of victim are not the F*cking same. Is that so hard to understand ?



What if the government just nationalized the sex work industry, in order to ensure the rights and safety of sex workers?
As long as it is EXTREMMELY WELL REGULATED I don't see the problem with that.


You seem to be an expert when it comes to what terrorists think
Coming from a conspirationnist background, I spend a lot of time trying to understand how radicalization works.

(I'm talking here about a radicalization that leads to terrorist attacks)

People don't radicalize because they are monsters or because they want to do evil (those become liberal politicians) people radicalize because they are angry, because they want to make a difference, sometimes (in case of far right terrorism) because they are not seeing their victim as humans anymore or because they came to the conclusion that taking lives is a price to pay.

In all cases, they think they are doing the right thing.


There is no lie when I'm talking about liberals and their love for the status co.

What about the families who just lost kids and parents in car accidents? You want to ban cars now?
Are guns as necessary as cars ?
 
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That's again a fallacious rethoric that implies basically that because someone screams too loudly, then its their fault if people don't listen to them. This is a common sexist rethoric that feminist women face. The reality is that climatosceptiscism and gun's advocatism are in a all time high and people just don't want to listen AT ALL at those who are screaming "danger" to them because they are lead to believe the opposite BY conservative NEWS medias
 
No surprised I will say hehe
There is a lot of fallacious rethoric going on in this thread.


You can tell when he adds a word to its limited and fallacious vocabulary because he spams it.
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Fallacious.
There is no reason to add multiple words when a simple one already describes perfectly what you guys are constantly saying mate

The fact that you need to attack my language skills to keep making points is a proof of that.

:cheers:
 
But somehow.. I'm the one who is on the side of the status co. Right @Bob74h ?

worst gen is a random forum dude, it aint the status quo


if you went on cnn or bbc, you probably would be pretty well liked



besides if you wanna argue on behalf of this place and say look it's far right they dislike me


well you call me far right and they also dislike me carrot so tell me, Are they far right for hating another far right dude???



we both are pretty disliked here, you cause you say far left shit that disagrees with even some of the liberal people here and im disliked cause of my takes on woman



it's not cause this is a far left haven or a far right one, it's just that me and you have certain takes these people dont like/



think the only thing, we have stated dislike on is rich people,anti trans and abortionists



im pro freedom which might piss off some hardcore right wingers
 
worst gen is a random forum dude, it aint the status quo


if you went on cnn or bbc, you probably would be pretty well liked
Oh really ??

You think they would allow me to say that there coverage of the Isralian-Palestinian war is completely biased ? You think they would let me say that Biden is complicit in a genocide ? You think that they would let me say that liberal and confusionnist and scoop angry media like them are the reason for the rise of the far right and the late election of Trump the insurectionnist ?

You think they would let me say that ?? :usoprice:


besides if you wanna argue on behalf of this place and say look it's far right they dislike me
Sure, people are disliking you so much that all they do is read your message. I had to demonstrated how people here were silent in front of your rethoric to finally see a rise of criticism against your incel like argumentation.


well you call me far right and they also dislike me carrot so tell me, Are they far right for hating another far right dude???
Dude.. the worst ennemy of the far right is the far right.

Why do you think white christian supremacist are hating so much on muslim foundamentalist ?

Both are far right, yet they hate each others.

it's not cause this is a far left haven or a far right one, it's just that me and you have certain takes these people dont like/
No, it just that it is a place where toxic people are allowed to talk and their behavior enabled. That's all.
 
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