Controversial General Political Discussion

[Gaimon The Pirate]

What? Criminals break laws????

That is my entire point Uncle Van.
More laws don't mean a better country..

 

[Adam 🍎]

That will prevent much more mass shooting than banning guns.

Not ban. Control

Guns should never be banned, same as booze or cigars or drugs or prostitution

 

[Roo]

Gun violence has decreased by 40% since the 90s due to increase in security and hun restrictions. Gun coverage since Columbine has increased by 800% so we're much more exposed to it.

Gun controversy is one of the biggest money makers for news stations.

Gun violence is the most overrated topic in the U.S considering how much coverage it gets compared to the amount of gun deaths

 

[Logiko]

Nah it is even easier for criminals. They have back channels and people to hook them up. Even non criminals know criminals that can hook them up. Buying a gun illegally is pretty simple.

Hence guns shouldn't be banned, only regulated with more background checks

We are talking about mass shooters here. Mass shooter buy guns legally as they don't care about consequences.

In any cases :

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/


Guns should be out of stores (unless you have a solid license) on the simple principle that there is absolutely ZERO logical reason to keep gun around beside decoration as we know that more guns don't prevent crimes and that gun's ownership increase the rate of potential victims:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

Gun violence is the most overrated topic in the U.S considering how much coverage it gets compared to the amount of gun deaths

Do you really want me to compare the number because of gun between the US and Europe ?
Also go tell that to families who just lost kids and parents in a shootings..

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/

Agent of the status co

 

[Uncle Van]

That is my entire point Uncle Van.
More laws don't mean a better country..

It's obvious what your point is. I was just joining in on the sarcasm lol

Gun violence is the most overrated topic in the U.S considering how much coverage it gets compared to the amount of gun deaths

It's just another popular tool to divide into people into shiity Democrat vs Republican wars. Just make the problem simple and give simple answers.

 

[Adam 🍎]

We are talking about mass shooters here. Mass shooter buy guns legally as they don't care about consequences.

In any cases :

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/


Guns should be out of stores (unless you have a solid license) on the simple principle that there is absolutely ZERO logical reason to keep gun around beside decoration as we know that more guns don't prevent crimes and that gun's ownership increase the rate of potential victims:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

Just make people get licenses and submit paperwork and it is GG

 

[Roo]

Do you really want me to compare the number because of gun between the US and Europe ?
Also go tell that to families who just lost kids and parents in a shootings..

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/

Agent of the status co

tf does Europe have to do with anything? Me and Van are talking about U.S Media

and yeah, if I say "x" cancer is not as bad as people make it sound I expect the relatives of the people who died from it to be pissed. We don't expect close relatives to be rational when the tragedy hits close to home

 

[Logiko]

Just make people get licenses and submit paperwork and it is GG

That would be at least a start yes.

 

[Adam 🍎]

That would be at least a start yes.

No that's it. Literally all modern nations in the west do it like that and we have way way less shootings than USA

 

[Logiko]

tf does Europe have to do with anything? Me and Van are talking about U.S Media

The goal is to make you understand that the statistic of shootings in the US are not normal and therefore this topic of gun control is not AT ALL overrated.

and yeah, if I say "x" cancer is not as bad as people make it sound I expect the relatives of the people who died from it to be pissed. We don't expect close relatives to be rational when the tragedy hits close to home

Rationality is listening to science when it says that more gun control will save more lives
Rationality is being angry at people who are defending gun easy access when shootings happens.

Rationnality is not the absence of emotion. Its using emotions toward progress.

No that's it. Literally all modern nations in the west do it like that and we have way way less shootings than USA

Remember the principle of equity I was talking about with subject like systemic racism and patriarchy. It must be applied here for the US and gun controls.

The US are not just another country. Its a nation that has core problems in the understanding and the prevention of ultra destructive behavior (there are many reason for that)

Therefore "doing like other country" will NOT be enough. This country must do more, it must do better because they have more problem than the rest of us on this specific topic.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Therefore "doing like other country" will NOT be enough. This country must do more, it must do better because they have more problem than the rest of us on this specific topic.

And you don't understand that USA is rebel nation and if you try to ban anything from drag shows to guns people will fucking riot lmao

 

[Roo]

The goal is to make you understand that the statistic of shootings in the US are not normal and therefore this topic of gun control is not AT ALL overrated.

The U.S has the most guns in the world per capita, and even then gun deaths are relatively a small amount compared to stuff like car crashes.

Yes the media overrates it. I think me and Van agree that there's a problem, but is it as bad as the media paints it? No way.


This is like climate change doomerism. If you tell people the world is going to end in 2 years they'll tune you out, despite how real climate change is

Rationality is listening to science when it says that more gun control will save more lives
Rationality is being angry at people who are defending gun easy access when shootings happens.

Rationnality is not the absence of emotion. Its using emotions toward progress.

What exactly makes you think I am against gun control?

Also rationality by definition is the absence of emotion lmao

 

[Uncle Van]

Trying to ban guns saying it's the problem is taken responsibility away from the individual. A country in Europe once banned pocket knives and it did nothing to reduce stabbings cause people started using kitchen knives instead.

With guns, people will always get them illegally no matter what, so banning guns just make those who obey the law more vulnerable.

Funnily enough, most mass shootings and gun violence happens in blue states with a notable poverty rates. California had the most mass shootings in 2023. Its the blue states that mostly scream for gun banning and blame red states which is ironic. Increase those regulations.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Trying to ban guns saying it's the problem is taken responsibility away from the individual. A country in Europe once banned pocket knives and it did nothing to reduce stabbings cause people started using kitchen knives instead.

With guns, people will always get them illegally no matter what, so banning guns just make those who obey the law more vulnerable.

Funnily enough, most mass shootings and gun violence happens in blue states with a notable poverty rates. California had the most mass shootings in 2023. Its the blue states that mostly scream for gun banning and blame red states which is ironic. Increase those regulations.

You're wasting your time, when you bring up a completely equivalent case as drugs or knife violence he says it's fallacious without even explaining why.
You are talking with a 40 year old virgin that thinks writing here is gonan change the world, a legitimate retard.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Trying to ban guns saying it's the problem is taken responsibility away from the individual. A country in Europe once banned pocket knives and it did nothing to reduce stabbings cause people started using kitchen knives instead.

With guns, people will always get them illegally no matter what, so banning guns just make those who obey the law more vulnerable.

Funnily enough, most mass shootings and gun violence happens in blue states with a notable poverty rates. California had the most mass shootings in 2023. Its the blue states that mostly scream for gun banning and blame red states which is ironic. Increase those regulations.

All would be good if we legalized prostitution and taxed it

 

[Uncle Van]

You're wasting your time, when you bring up a completely equivalent case as drugs or knife violence he says it's fallacious without even explaining why.
You are talking with a 40 year old virgin that thinks writing here is gonan change the world, a legitimate retard.

I assume you're talking about C4N. Sorry. I haven't read a post of his in months cause it's a waste of time.

All would be good if we legalized prostitution and taxed it

Bad idea due to its significant relation to human trafficking, missing persons and illegal drugs.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

What if the government just nationalized the sex work industry, in order to ensure the rights and safety of sex workers?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Bad idea due to its significant relation to human trafficking, missing persons and illegal drugs.

If legal it would be much more controlled.
How could you prostitute yourself if you have no documents, etc.

 

[Uncle Van]

If legal it would be much more controlled.
How could you prostitute yourself if you have no documents, etc.

Thought about it and you right. I was thinking of prostitution, Drugs and trafficking as if they are one and the same.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Actually even in terrorism, killing is not the goal. What is important for them is what they gain from those murder.

In both cases there is a gain:
- Celebrity for a school shooter
- Internet political distruption, vengeance or fear for terrorist

You seem to be an expert when it comes to what terrorists think

You guys are agents of the status co.

"Don't change things, things could change and we don't want that"

In two pages, not ONE person came to say "I want less victim, let's reduce gun's access".. No, each one of you came with one argument "PeOpLe ArE tHe PrObLeM, so let's not do the one obvious thing that could reduce the number of victims"

Which is, again, a liberal and apolitical way of seeing the world. This is an individualistic vision of society where people should be responsibilized for their actions and the system/institution shouldn't be blamed for anything.

Stop lying already