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No mate. Contrary to the lots of you guys, I'm bringing scientific researches and data reports with me.
Oh on that you are gosh darn right. Wokism or should I say, real leftism, will bring the death of the society as you know it now. In reality, we will build a better society, out of the hands of people in power, out of the hands of meritocracy, out of the hands of neoliberalism and liberals, out of the hands of patriarchy...
This won't be an utopia, it will just be something a little bit better.
So,
- Critical races theories is a field of study of sociology that is interpreting the relationship between "races" (as they are named in the US), the law and the powers. In theory critical race theory is a constructivist field that critics and opposes the notions of "color blindness". Its a field that consider that the notion of "color blindness" create more inequalities that it resolves and that to achieve a real equality, we must take the notion of racialization and the relationship between "races", power and law into account.
- Gender studies is simply a field of study of sociology that is meant to understand gender identities and gender representations in society.
Both are fields of a scientific discipline : sociology. And in reality this is this discipline that "anti-woke" people are really attacking here. They don't understand that soft sciences (sociology / anthropology / History / etc.) are as scientific as hard sciences (biology / mathematics / Physic / etc.)
Oh on that you are gosh darn right. Wokism or should I say, real leftism, will bring the death of the society as you know it now. In reality, we will build a better society, out of the hands of people in power, out of the hands of meritocracy, out of the hands of neoliberalism and liberals, out of the hands of patriarchy...
This won't be an utopia, it will just be something a little bit better.
So,
- Critical races theories is a field of study of sociology that is interpreting the relationship between "races" (as they are named in the US), the law and the powers. In theory critical race theory is a constructivist field that critics and opposes the notions of "color blindness". Its a field that consider that the notion of "color blindness" create more inequalities that it resolves and that to achieve a real equality, we must take the notion of racialization and the relationship between "races", power and law into account.
- Gender studies is simply a field of study of sociology that is meant to understand gender identities and gender representations in society.
Both are fields of a scientific discipline : sociology. And in reality this is this discipline that "anti-woke" people are really attacking here. They don't understand that soft sciences (sociology / anthropology / History / etc.) are as scientific as hard sciences (biology / mathematics / Physic / etc.)
Modern wokism is all about teaching people to be victims and putting the blame on others, removing all accountability. Instead of telling people that they have control of their own lives and have the power to better themselves, they are told they are perfect the way they are and society needs to change to accommodate them. Easily creates a cycle of self loathing and self destruction i.e., fat acceptance for example.
https://phys.org/news/2023-10-scientist-decades-dont-free.html
Seems like the core of their argument is the subconscious decides too much for us before the conscious can act, so in a way, we do not actually decide what to say or do?
Ngl, it kinda fucked me up this morning thinking about it
Seems like the core of their argument is the subconscious decides too much for us before the conscious can act, so in a way, we do not actually decide what to say or do?
Ngl, it kinda fucked me up this morning thinking about it
Nah that's bullshit. Humans have 2 dominate states of mind: consciousness and unconscious mind. Unconscious mind dictates 90% of actions, and conscious mind 10%.
Walking is so 2nd nature to humans that we do it unconsciously. Walking on the edge of a cliff we are 100% conscious of since we're deliberately timing each step to not lose our balance.
Most crime is done by the conscious mind since they have to plan a course of action after seeing an opportunity. All this "I heard a voice in my head and lost control" is nonsense unless they have a legit mental illness.
Walking is so 2nd nature to humans that we do it unconsciously. Walking on the edge of a cliff we are 100% conscious of since we're deliberately timing each step to not lose our balance.
Most crime is done by the conscious mind since they have to plan a course of action after seeing an opportunity. All this "I heard a voice in my head and lost control" is nonsense unless they have a legit mental illness.
No, the subconscious mind is the base for the conscious mind, but it still processes stuff based on out experiences etc. So you can subconsciously evade a ball flying towards you for example, you're not making a decision to duck. In that sense it's not "free will".
But more "important" decisions you take time on are made by the conscious mind ultimately. Like which school you'll go to, who you will date, what you'll wear.
I think he's making an argument based on our neurons being inherited so we act a certain way, but he's being dramatic to be heard. Every human relies on their experience and that creates free will.
But more "important" decisions you take time on are made by the conscious mind ultimately. Like which school you'll go to, who you will date, what you'll wear.
I think he's making an argument based on our neurons being inherited so we act a certain way, but he's being dramatic to be heard. Every human relies on their experience and that creates free will.
Or in the words of @Uncle Van, bullshit 
That's the vision of people who don't know what leftist fight is
And this meritocratic/individualistic "I want therefore I can" and "we can better the society by changing ourself first" liberalistic vision is EXACTLY what we are fighting with "wokism".
This vision is the reason why some people are still suffering from the impact of racism, why women are still struggling to have a voice and a place in society, why people are poor and others are absurdly rich etc. etc.
This vision, rather than praising progress, actually promotes the status co, and critics that can prevent any changes in the balances of powers and dominations.
This vision is the reason why you still don't understand why some post here, shouldn't be allowed in the first place.
OMG .. don't go too fast !!
People here are not even aknowledging the inexistence of notions like merits just yet... they are far from ready to accept the inexistence of free will.
Step by step mate... Ex. Its irrelevant to talk about communism to a conservatist, it will just scare them and make them hate you. We must do the same with materialism.
I got into a short depression period the day I realized the inexistence of free will. If this forum taught me anything, its that people will be ready when they will be ready. Such information must be given slowly with context and with positivity.
Because if yes, free will is an illusion, it doesn't means that life is. I like to think of conscious life forms as thinking water droplets, we may not have control over our lifes in the macro sence, we are still part of a gigantic flow that will live millions of adventures and we are aware of it.
Its easier for us to think that people are conscious of the crimes they commit. It maintains us in our humanity and in the thinking that "we would never do such things".. but the reality is that we are all capable of those things in certains and similar conditions.
We do not possess a mind that can magically override the reality of the universe. If someone kills the one I love in front of me, the only factors that will play into the choice of taking the life of the murderer or not, will be the result of ALL my experiences and educations of my past self, that won't be me and my will choosing the right choice because its the right choice.
Choices are determinated by our experiences, our memories, our culture, our situation, our physical states etc... but not by the magic of a will.
In the potential existence of such free will, a choice would be an act of creation of a system of thought from within our own will...
Sadly.. for such a free will to exist, we would need to be machines that can override the first thermodynamic law of the universe.
Energy cannot be created from nothing in the universe, therefore free will as we mostly know it, cannot exist.
Careful. Such concept as "unconscious" mind is non scientific.
The origin of the term comes from psychanalysis and Freud. Those theories are for the most part not relying on scientific research but dogmatism.
If it is true that there are non conscious behaviors (like riding a bike or driving your car), there is no evidences pointing toward the existence of an unconscious mind under our own mind.
The absence of free will doesn't necessarally means that we live in a deterministic universe. We could, but some theoritical model of cosmology and physics could open the door into a world of uncertainty..
And this meritocratic/individualistic "I want therefore I can" and "we can better the society by changing ourself first" liberalistic vision is EXACTLY what we are fighting with "wokism".
This vision is the reason why some people are still suffering from the impact of racism, why women are still struggling to have a voice and a place in society, why people are poor and others are absurdly rich etc. etc.
This vision, rather than praising progress, actually promotes the status co, and critics that can prevent any changes in the balances of powers and dominations.
This vision is the reason why you still don't understand why some post here, shouldn't be allowed in the first place.
OMG .. don't go too fast !!
People here are not even aknowledging the inexistence of notions like merits just yet... they are far from ready to accept the inexistence of free will.
Step by step mate... Ex. Its irrelevant to talk about communism to a conservatist, it will just scare them and make them hate you. We must do the same with materialism.
I got into a short depression period the day I realized the inexistence of free will. If this forum taught me anything, its that people will be ready when they will be ready. Such information must be given slowly with context and with positivity.
Because if yes, free will is an illusion, it doesn't means that life is. I like to think of conscious life forms as thinking water droplets, we may not have control over our lifes in the macro sence, we are still part of a gigantic flow that will live millions of adventures and we are aware of it.
Its easier for us to think that people are conscious of the crimes they commit. It maintains us in our humanity and in the thinking that "we would never do such things".. but the reality is that we are all capable of those things in certains and similar conditions.
We do not possess a mind that can magically override the reality of the universe. If someone kills the one I love in front of me, the only factors that will play into the choice of taking the life of the murderer or not, will be the result of ALL my experiences and educations of my past self, that won't be me and my will choosing the right choice because its the right choice.
Choices are determinated by our experiences, our memories, our culture, our situation, our physical states etc... but not by the magic of a will.
In the potential existence of such free will, a choice would be an act of creation of a system of thought from within our own will...
Sadly.. for such a free will to exist, we would need to be machines that can override the first thermodynamic law of the universe.
Energy cannot be created from nothing in the universe, therefore free will as we mostly know it, cannot exist.
Careful. Such concept as "unconscious" mind is non scientific.
The origin of the term comes from psychanalysis and Freud. Those theories are for the most part not relying on scientific research but dogmatism.
If it is true that there are non conscious behaviors (like riding a bike or driving your car), there is no evidences pointing toward the existence of an unconscious mind under our own mind.
The absence of free will doesn't necessarally means that we live in a deterministic universe. We could, but some theoritical model of cosmology and physics could open the door into a world of uncertainty..
