General & Others Shiki was originally supposed to be a Navy Admiral

#81
Shiki is ass. He outnumbered Roger like 50 to 1 and still couldn't swarm and beat him. And yes, Roger and his crew would have been affected by the storm as well.
And? He still was near or equal to him, with more man power it was obvious he was gonna win, yet Roger got lucky.
 
#82
And? He still was near or equal to him, with more man power it was obvious he was gonna win, yet Roger got lucky.
Just saying his logistic skill is pure ass and garbage.

Fact is that they teamed up and nothing stated they would handle him in a 1 vs 1
Actually, Sengoku was supposed to handle Shiki on his own. The bookworm admiral would have outsmarted this dumbass who threw his life away by directly attacking the Marines' home turf anyway.

Before you go and say "Well, then why was it a 2v1 and not a 1v1".

Well, would you rather have an entire swat team help you and your family who got kidnapped by a deranged serial killer or do you want just one individual from the team to beat him because it's "omg so k00l 1v1 duel exshyting as shiet!!!11 EGO FIGHT GO GO GO"

??
 
#83
Just saying his logistic skill is pure ass and garbage.



Actually, Sengoku was supposed to handle Shiki on his own. The bookworm admiral would have outsmarted this dumbass who threw his life away by directly attacking the Marines' home turf anyway.

Before you go and say "Well, then why was it a 2v1 and not a 1v1".

Well, would you rather have an entire swat team help you and your family who got kidnapped by a deranged serial killer or do you want just one individual from the team to beat him because it's "omg so k00l 1v1 duel exshyting as shiet!!!11 EGO FIGHT GO GO GO"

??
Just as Garp should handle Roger on his own yet was weaker than him. Garp has never been proven to be equal to Roger or WB. We have Sengoku almost crying and saying that they can lose against WB even though they had the warlords.

2 vs 1 doesnt prove it had to be both to defeat them, but nothing proves that 1 vs 1 they would had won, given the context that Roger was way superior and Shiki his equal, it is much more possible that he could defeat them in a 1 vs 1.

IMO the battle was a High diff for the Admirals.
 
#85
Just as Garp should handle Roger on his own yet was weaker than him. Garp has never been proven to be equal to Roger or WB.
Actually, it was never stated explicitly that Garp always lost.

We have Sengoku almost crying and saying that they can lose against WB even though they had the warlords.
Crying? I didn't see any tears coming from his eyes. How did you manage to read the panels and then type the word "crying" with a straight face?

Now if it was shouting? Sure. Of course he would need to shout in order to emphasize the danger of what his DF can potentially cause and let his soldiers hear clearly. Why would he stay nonchalant and be soft spoken? lol


2 vs 1 doesnt prove it had to be both to defeat them, but nothing proves that 1 vs 1 they would had won, given the context that Roger was way superior and Shiki his equal, it is much more possible that he could defeat them in a 1 vs 1.
Again, Roger isn't way superior to Sengoku and Garp. Sengoku managed the Marines longer as a FA longer than Gol D. Roger did with his crew as a PK luls.

Shiki is pure ass. He is strong but you are like overestimating the shit out of him. This dude's goal was to showcase the might of the pirates but was sidelined and became an irrelevant character after being assaulted and manhandled lol. Really though. How long has it been? Does he need more than 20 years to prep or something? If he was THAT powerful, he wouldn't need to prep that long.

Seriously though. If Shiki was remotely as strong as you suggested then he would have contended with the other emperors in the past because he would already be ready to show his "might" to the Marines. :milaugh:
 
#86
Shiki is ass. He outnumbered Roger like 50 to 1 and still couldn't swarm and beat him. And yes, Roger and his crew would have been affected by the storm as well.
:choppawhat:except Roger pirates were cornered and bound to lose until thr storm came

Shiki has fodder fleets btw... Roger had Ray and scopper...Nice try
 
#88
Actually, it was never stated explicitly that Garp always lost.


Crying? I didn't see any tears coming from his eyes. How did you manage to read the panels and then type the word "crying" with a straight face?

Now if it was shouting? Sure. Of course he would need to shout in order to emphasize the danger of what his DF can potentially cause and let his soldiers hear clearly. Why would he stay nonchalant and be soft spoken? lol




Again, Roger isn't way superior to Sengoku and Garp. Sengoku managed the Marines longer as a FA longer than Gol D. Roger did with his crew as a PK luls.

Shiki is pure ass. He is strong but you are like overestimating the shit out of him. This dude's goal was to showcase the might of the pirates but was sidelined and became an irrelevant character after being assaulted and manhandled lol. Really though. How long has it been? Does he need more than 20 years to prep or something? If he was THAT powerful, he wouldn't need to prep that long.

Seriously though. If Shiki was remotely as strong as you suggested then he would have contended with the other emperors in the past because he would already be ready to show his "might" to the Marines. :milaugh:
Except Shiki ruled the seas before BM and Kaid did. WB and Roger couldn't beat Shiki
They respected his strength too.

He hasn't been seen for 22 years.

Keep coping

Navy are weaklings per shiki words
 
#89
Except Shiki ruled the seas before BM and Kaid did. WB and Roger couldn't beat Shiki
They respected his strength too.

He hasn't been seen for 22 years.

Keep coping

Navy are weaklings per shiki words
"Ruled the seas"
Like no he didn't. The Marines were powerful then and still powerful now.

Shiki? Where is he again? What has he accomplished other than getting his ass handed to him?

The dude couldn't even pull the steering wheel out of his head.
 
#91
Actually, it was never stated explicitly that Garp always lost.


Crying? I didn't see any tears coming from his eyes. How did you manage to read the panels and then type the word "crying" with a straight face?

Now if it was shouting? Sure. Of course he would need to shout in order to emphasize the danger of what his DF can potentially cause and let his soldiers hear clearly. Why would he stay nonchalant and be soft spoken? lol




Again, Roger isn't way superior to Sengoku and Garp. Sengoku managed the Marines longer as a FA longer than Gol D. Roger did with his crew as a PK luls.

Shiki is pure ass. He is strong but you are like overestimating the shit out of him. This dude's goal was to showcase the might of the pirates but was sidelined and became an irrelevant character after being assaulted and manhandled lol. Really though. How long has it been? Does he need more than 20 years to prep or something? If he was THAT powerful, he wouldn't need to prep that long.

Seriously though. If Shiki was remotely as strong as you suggested then he would have contended with the other emperors in the past because he would already be ready to show his "might" to the Marines. :milaugh:
1.- It was never stated they were equals, only that they fought. And we have seen that Emperors > Admirals.
2.- The movie is not canon, we only know that he fought both Garp and Sengoku.
3.- Shiki already fought people like Roger, WB, he ws in the same fleet as Kaido and Big Mom, so obviously he fought them.
 
#99
Dont need a citation when the original draft that long precedes what you've posted shows Zoro amongst the SHs
Not that I know. All I know is that Zoro was "originally" supposed to be a member of Buggy's crew, with Oda providing the draft. Feel free to reference the "preceeding" draft where Zoro was supposed to join the strawhats anyways and him being a part of Buggy's crew is an idea that came later on. Where it is evident that this draft came before the Buggy crew one.
 
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