Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Bruh no one agrees with you xD i was one of few peeps here going against "there are two genders" alongside you before checking the definition lmfao

Yes, and I as said, everyone can check that :)

If you use that one, there are obviously more than two genders. Not in the definition about gender roles though.

What definition about gender role ?

And the definition about grammar has 2 or more, heavily depending on qhat language we are talking about. In my native language german, we have 3 grammatical genders for example.

This really isnt much, so its amazing how you cant understand this lmfao.

I love the way you are trying to justify yourself by diving deeper and deeper into the concepts of dictionnaries definitions when I said to you clearly that definitions in a dictionnaries are just that. They don't always represent reality but usage. In this case dictionnaries are mostly not representing realities and that's what I'm interested about :

Reality.

You can swirl around all the way down the dictionnary rabbit hole if you want. I don't care lmao.
All I care about is that you don't invisibilize or deny the existences of other people.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Denies the definition because it goes against the agenda. Boy sit down, you just admitting you wrong.

 

[Logiko]

Denies the definition because it goes against the agenda. Boy sit down, you just admitting you wrong.

Where ? I'm actually promoting a definition, the scientific one.


Dictionnaries are not things I would follow blindly mate.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Where ? I'm actually promoting a definition, the scientific one.


Dictionnaries are not things I would follow blindly mate.

Neither would or should you follow that political science shit but here we are.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Trump meanwhile is leading +7 in Georgia , here people are fighting Gender War . This is what he wanted create hate between people sow seed of toxicity .

 

[Logiko]

Neither would or should you follow that political science shit but here we are.

"Political science shit" ?
Are you talking about sociology here ?

 

[Ravagerblade]

"Political science shit" ?
Are you talking about sociology here ?

The shit you peddle.

 

[Zenos7]

They don't always represent reality but usage

And i never claimed otherwise. So you dont have any actual point bro
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What definition about gender role ?

Man you cant be serious. Its too tiring to have to post it more than once. The initial link i shared on gender (not a reply to you but whoever made the claim about 2 genders) has as a first main definition the one about gender roles of male and female in society. How dense and lazy can you be

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

To describe gender theory and the lunatics, it's just enough to point out who invented it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

A sexual deviant and a pedophile:
Since the 1990s, Money's work and research has been subject to significant academic and public scrutiny.[7] A 1997 academic study criticized Money's work in many respects, particularly in regard to the involuntary sex-reassignment of the child David Reimer.[8][9] Money allegedly coerced the two brothers to perform sexual rehearsal with each other, which Money then photographed. David Reimer lived a troubled life, eventually committing suicide at 38; his brother died of an overdose at age 36.[10]

 

[Zenos7]

In this case dictionnaries are mostly not representing realities and that's what I'm interested about :

And as i said, so your precious sociology only matters when convenient to the ideology you are trying to push. Gender roles are a thing. Gender is defined by that. So its still perfectly in line with reality. This doesnt mean you dont have a definition for gender identities. Because you have. And thats perfectly fine. You can have multiple mutually exclusive definitions for words depending on context. Just like my example of "theory" in scientific or colloquial context.
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All I care about is that you don't invisibilize or deny the existences of other people.

I never did and explained multiple times how i didnt

You just dont care about what im actually saying. You are just throwing around buzz words, non-sequiturs and strawmen.

 

[Uncle Van]

Gender wars alone is such a minor thing in comparison to the bigger problems in America(like inflation, price gouging, lobbying etc). Transgenderism is part of the modern wokism movement in general which also consists of Girl Boss Feminism and Fat Acceptance. This wave started in 2009 and as of 2023, the results are as follows:

-increased depression and anxiety among young women
-surge in the suicide rates among young men
-increase in trans men regretting transitioning
-spike in divorces initiated by women
-decrease in marriages
-increase in loneliness among young men and middle aged women
-spike in young men leaning to the right
-surge of far right movements and sentiments
-spike in mass shootings perpetrated by young men
-Profit loss across the board

Question is why are the movements backfiring so hard and leading to such results?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Gender wars alone is such a minor thing in comparison to the bigger problems in America(like inflation, price gouging, lobbying etc). Transgenderism is part of the modern wokism movement in general which also consists of Girl Boss Feminism and Fat Acceptance. This wave started in 2009 and as of 2023, the results are as follows:

-increased depression and anxiety among young women
-surge in the suicide rates among young men
-increase in trans men regretting transitioning
-spike in divorces initiated by women
-decrease in marriages
-increase in loneliness among young men and middle aged women
-spike in young men leaning to the right
-surge of far right movements and sentiments
-spike in mass shootings perpetrated by young men
-Profit loss across the board

Question is why are the movements backfiring so hard and leading to such results?

You forgot to mention the real problem : the bad actors who infiltrate social movements and undermine their original purpose for short term profit and long term social erosion

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

You forgot to mention the real problem : the bad actors who infiltrate social movements and undermine their original purpose for short term profit and long term social erosion

Yeah, the grifters.

 

[Logiko]

The shit you peddle.

?

To describe gender theory and the lunatics, it's just enough to point out who invented it.

"Despite widespread popular belief, Money did not coin gender identity. "
"Money is generally viewed as a negative figure by the transgender community"

Those are literally words of this articles. Read mate. Read. You appear as ridiculous here for anyone who checked the article ..

To describe gender theory

There is no such thing. Unless for transphobes, you and other bigots who confuse that with "gender studies" which is a field of scientific study of sociology.

Gender roles are a thing

Yes. This is "a set of socially accepted behaviors and attitudes deemed appropriate or desirable for individuals based on their sex ". Gender role are indeed a sociological fact. But those are not "genders" they are "gender roles"

Learn the difference

Gender is defined by that

Nop. Not in science :)

I never did and explained multiple times how i didnt

Yes you did. And you still are trying to hold to a definition that invisibilized and denies them. But hey, its not like I can stop you hehehe

You just dont care about what im actually saying. You are just throwing around buzz words, non-sequiturs and strawmen.

I think you don't understand what those three words means.

Gender wars alone is such a minor thing in comparison to the bigger problems in America

And yet. This is THE subject that creates divisions.

wokism movement in general which also consists of Girl Boss Feminism and Fat Acceptance

Lmao I don't think you understand what wokism is. Its look like you are describing it through the eyes of a child

Wokism is so much more than that.

-increased depression and anxiety among young women
-surge in the suicide rates among young men
-increase in trans men regretting transitioning
-spike in divorces initiated by women
-decrease in marriages
-increase in loneliness among young men and middle aged women
-spike in young men leaning to the right
-surge of far right movements and sentiments
-spike in mass shootings perpetrated by young men
-Profit loss across the board

I'm sure you have research paper explaining that wokism is the sources of those things and you are not just taking that out of your a*s ?

So tell me mr apolitical. Where are those research papers explaining that wokism is somehow responsible for all of this ?

Question is why are the movements backfiring so hard and leading to such results?

Question. From where do you conclude that "wokism" is reponsible for all those things ? What is the science behind that ?

Tell me

Show me.

Prove your claim.

 

[Zenos7]

To describe gender theory and the lunatics, it's just enough to point out who invented it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

A sexual deviant and a pedophile:
Since the 1990s, Money's work and research has been subject to significant academic and public scrutiny.[7] A 1997 academic study criticized Money's work in many respects, particularly in regard to the involuntary sex-reassignment of the child David Reimer.[8][9] Money allegedly coerced the two brothers to perform sexual rehearsal with each other, which Money then photographed. David Reimer lived a troubled life, eventually committing suicide at 38; his brother died of an overdose at age 36.[10]

Why is this relevant? Transgenderism/gender dysphoria is real. Its not like we stopped doing research because there was one shithead doing horrible shit
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Gender wars alone is such a minor thing in comparison to the bigger problems in America(like inflation, price gouging, lobbying etc). Transgenderism is part of the modern wokism movement in general which also consists of Girl Boss Feminism and Fat Acceptance. This wave started in 2009 and as of 2023, the results are as follows:

-increased depression and anxiety among young women
-surge in the suicide rates among young men
-increase in trans men regretting transitioning
-spike in divorces initiated by women
-decrease in marriages
-increase in loneliness among young men and middle aged women
-spike in young men leaning to the right
-surge of far right movements and sentiments
-spike in mass shootings perpetrated by young men
-Profit loss across the board

Question is why are the movements backfiring so hard and leading to such results?

How do we know all the above resulted from transgender/body positivity movements though?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Why is this relevant? Transgenderism/gender dysphoria is real. Its not like we stopped doing research because there was one shithead doing horrible shit

Not saying that Transgenderism is not real, as it can be dated to even before modern medicine. I am saying that this is the guy who invented modern GENDER THEORY and created the "Gender as a social construct" bullshit narrative.

 

[Zenos7]

Yes. This is "a set of socially accepted behaviors and attitudes deemed appropriate or desirable for individuals based on their sex ". Gender role are indeed a sociological fact. But those are not "genders" they are "gender roles"

Learn the difference

I know the difference. The dictionary also knows the difference. Which is why it lists both as valid definition for gender. Again, strawman much
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Nop. Not in science :)

Well, yes it is. Both are based in sociology. Just need to make clear which context is used. If people say there are two genders, they are obviously not using the term to mean gender identity but gender roles.

Also obviously some of the people making that statement are bigotted against lgbt individuals. Doesnt change the fact its still a valid definition that is just as based in sociology as is the one you want to push on everyone.

You are just a lazy hypocrite
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Yes you did. And you still are trying to hold to a definition that invisibilized and denies them. But hey, its not like I can stop you hehehe

Obviously that is not the case because im not excluding either definition. Both are valid. One is about gender roles, the other about gender identity. You are being anti science because you are excluding the definition about gender roles.

Not surprising though, you always cherry pick science and definitions according to your ideology, while i have literally changed my mind on this one after learning the definition about gender roles is still valid, contrary to what i believed previously.
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And yet. This is THE subject that creates divisions.

I wonder why. Just kidding, its because of nutjobs like you forcing their ideology on other people which will inevitably annoy the shit out of them
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Question. From where do you conclude that "wokism" is reponsible for all those things ? What is the science behind that ?

Tell me

Show me.

Prove your claim.

Interesting how i reacted basically the same way to this claim despite being enbyphobe, transphobe, sexist or whatever fancy buzzwords you throw around.
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Not saying that Transgenderism is not real, as it can be dated to even before modern medicine. I am saying that this is the guy who invented modern GENDER THEORY and created the "Gender as a social construct" bullshit narrative.

Gender as in gender roles is indeed a social construct. Transgenderism isnt. It is a legit condition

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Gender as in gender roles is indeed a social construct. Transgenderism isnt. It is a legit condition

If it is a social construct then can you explain why:

• Animals have enstablished gender roles, where animals in different continents have the same societal structures across the same species
• Humans across different ages and different cultures and different continents all have developed the same societal structures?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

They literally don't.

Animals have enstablished gender roles, where animals in different continents have the same societal structures across the same species

Humans across different ages and different cultures and different continents all have developed the same societal structures?

Ok now you are trolling

 

[Uncle Van]

How do we know all the above resulted from transgender/body positivity movements though?

Never did(granted it sounded like that due to me not giving more context).

It's a 2 prong assault; a combination of the idiots within the movements and the opposing side who takes advantage to paint a narrative.