Speculations Kizaru won the fight against Luffy
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And what about literally every other Admiral fan who's yelling about Luffy vs Kizaru happening?
Also, I never said I could read the author's mind, lmao.
Simply saying that he's holding a character back isn't me reading his mind. If he has someone not use a power up that they could use very easily and have no reason not to use, that's literally just common sense.
Also, I never said I could read the author's mind, lmao.
Simply saying that he's holding a character back isn't me reading his mind. If he has someone not use a power up that they could use very easily and have no reason not to use, that's literally just common sense.
So instead of trying to debunk my points you just start trying to have a dick measuring contest.
Typical of an Admiral wanker. Mad about a fictional character you don't like being stronger than a fictional character you do like, so you make a huge scene over it and end up looking like an absolute buffoon with no friends or life.
Typical of an Admiral wanker. Mad about a fictional character you don't like being stronger than a fictional character you do like, so you make a huge scene over it and end up looking like an absolute buffoon with no friends or life.
You didn’t make any points, you said “the author having a character not use xyz is clearly for xyz reason” which is just an assertion that requires you to be able to read the author’s mind
Watch this: Oda clearly had Luffy and Kizaru both not going all out and falling at the same time, one due to paralysis and one due to his own power, for the clear intent of setting up a pseudo-draw that makes the characters look relative.
Now go ahead and debunk my “points”
Watch this: Oda clearly had Luffy and Kizaru both not going all out and falling at the same time, one due to paralysis and one due to his own power, for the clear intent of setting up a pseudo-draw that makes the characters look relative.
Now go ahead and debunk my “points”
You didn’t make any points, you said “the author having a character not use xyz is clearly for xyz reason” which is just an assertion that requires you to be able to read the author’s mind
Watch this: Oda clearly had Luffy and Kizaru both not going all out and falling at the same time, one due to paralysis and one due to his own power, for the clear intent of setting up a pseudo-draw that makes the characters look relative.
Now go ahead and debunk my “points”
Watch this: Oda clearly had Luffy and Kizaru both not going all out and falling at the same time, one due to paralysis and one due to his own power, for the clear intent of setting up a pseudo-draw that makes the characters look relative.
Now go ahead and debunk my “points”
Which one fell due to not being able to withstand the raw power of their opponent and which one fell to a drawback from their DF that they don't know how to fix yet?
That isn't relative at all lmao.
? since when was praying to pedro a requirement to hit his heart again
that was simply giving him the will power to go in another round
that shows that luffy is fully capable of going into another round if he REALLY REALLY wants to
its VERY relevant
if lucci wasnt koed then luffy simply didnt get a W
while in kizaru's case , kizaru got hit by an attack which koed him or rather make him unable to move
the deciding factor isnt when luffy's ability will go out , its also abt lucci/kizaru's condition and their state at the time
what oda showed was gear5 knocking the brains out of kizaru and then going down cause of his own time limit
kizaru in his case didnt do shit to gear5 to make it go to that condition
luffy ALWAYS goes down in big battles due to his own nerf right after beating the villain
luffy was practically unable to move after beating lucci ( i am talking abt enies lobby fight )
but still he was declared the winner of the fight cause it was his decisive blow that koed lucci
and it wasnt just his enies lobby fight
Against don krieg , crocodile the same thing happened
but its very funny how only against kizaru , its a draw
that was simply giving him the will power to go in another round
that shows that luffy is fully capable of going into another round if he REALLY REALLY wants to
its VERY relevant
if lucci wasnt koed then luffy simply didnt get a W
while in kizaru's case , kizaru got hit by an attack which koed him or rather make him unable to move
the deciding factor isnt when luffy's ability will go out , its also abt lucci/kizaru's condition and their state at the time
what oda showed was gear5 knocking the brains out of kizaru and then going down cause of his own time limit
kizaru in his case didnt do shit to gear5 to make it go to that condition
luffy ALWAYS goes down in big battles due to his own nerf right after beating the villain
luffy was practically unable to move after beating lucci ( i am talking abt enies lobby fight )
but still he was declared the winner of the fight cause it was his decisive blow that koed lucci
and it wasnt just his enies lobby fight
Against don krieg , crocodile the same thing happened
but its very funny how only against kizaru , its a draw
Pure speculation, it's not clear what the conditions are for using another round of Gear 5, the only time we saw Luffy do it was remembering the suicide/sacrifice of someone else.
Also, the Kaido battle is the outlier not the rule, so you can't just generalize that to every situation Luffy is in without probable cause.
Congratulations, you've just discovered why Kizaru getting up while Luffy is still down is a big deal.
But now imagine that during the same situation at Enies Lobby, Lucci does get up and attack Luffy's crew while he's down. That's what happened here with Kizaru.
Yep! In fact if you watch any review by OP youtubers that don't powerscale, they call it a draw.
So I can very easily argue what the authorial intent is here.
Also, the Kaido battle is the outlier not the rule, so you can't just generalize that to every situation Luffy is in without probable cause.
Congratulations, you've just discovered why Kizaru getting up while Luffy is still down is a big deal.
But now imagine that during the same situation at Enies Lobby, Lucci does get up and attack Luffy's crew while he's down. That's what happened here with Kizaru.
Yep! In fact if you watch any review by OP youtubers that don't powerscale, they call it a draw.
So I can very easily argue what the authorial intent is here.
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For Luffy, there is a justification; he can, if he wants, restart his heart and resume fighting. However, he didn't find it necessary to do so against Kizaru but did against Kaido. Perhaps there is a lack of motivation on Luffy's part, as during the fight against Kaido, he mentions the names of Pedro, Tama, Kinemon, Momo, and others who lost or were risking their lives to save Wano. Kaido, in this aspect, surpasses Kizaru because there was much more at stake in the fight against Kaido than against Kizaru, especially since the beginning of the arc focused on showing all the destruction caused by Kaido in the country of Wano and the suffering of the population. This not only motivates Luffy but also all the other crew members to bring down Kaido. Here, he wasn't motivated against Kizaru; initially, he was playing the entire fight and holding back. Kizaru had no reason to hold back and was motivated to fulfill his mission. He even received reprimands from Saturn afterwards for failing. In fact, if Saturn hadn't arrived to save Kizaru, any of the other Straw Hat Pirates could have finished off the immobilized Kizaru after Luffy's punch (Sanji with his Haki). However, the crew's theme is not like that. If it were another Yonko, Kizaru would already be dead by now.
In summary, Kizaru is worse off than Luffy because:
1. Luffy could restart his heart and return to G5 faster than the time Kizaru took to finally recompose himself.
2. Kizaru is a glass cannon who fell with just one blow from Luffy, which, narratively, was only used when Luffy was reaching his time limit. If the blow had been executed earlier, Kizaru would be in serious trouble now, but this doesn't deny that Luffy was indeed superior in the confrontation.
3. Yes, the Luffy vs. Kizaru fight serves to prove that neither Kizaru nor Luffy can defeat Kaido in a 1v1, but Luffy has a better chance of defeating Kaido than Kizaru.
In summary, Kizaru is worse off than Luffy because:
1. Luffy could restart his heart and return to G5 faster than the time Kizaru took to finally recompose himself.
2. Kizaru is a glass cannon who fell with just one blow from Luffy, which, narratively, was only used when Luffy was reaching his time limit. If the blow had been executed earlier, Kizaru would be in serious trouble now, but this doesn't deny that Luffy was indeed superior in the confrontation.
3. Yes, the Luffy vs. Kizaru fight serves to prove that neither Kizaru nor Luffy can defeat Kaido in a 1v1, but Luffy has a better chance of defeating Kaido than Kizaru.
Don’t know how you see it that way. It only makes it worse that Kizaru didn’t need to hit him with any high end attack to leave him so utterly drained…suffering the worst drawback we’ve ever seen. How much worse would it be if Kizaru actually did so rather than just them clashing & blocking? Luffy has to be fed to even get up. Oda could have kept both Kizaru & him down but Kizaru is up and about while Luffy had to be carried away.
Remove Luffy’s saviour, whoever that may be and Kizaru could just saunter over and kill him whilst looking relatively clean himself. The man that defeated Kaido!
Remove Luffy’s saviour, whoever that may be and Kizaru could just saunter over and kill him whilst looking relatively clean himself. The man that defeated Kaido!
He had the same drawback against Kaidou and Lucci. It's not exclusive to Kizaru, it was just more drastic against Kizaru as he had been running around a lot and fighting a lot in the past 24 hours, not to mention he also used G5 before in those 24 hours.
He always get a drawback that stops him from completely KOing/killing his opponent, this happened since pre ts.
He always get a drawback that stops him from completely KOing/killing his opponent, this happened since pre ts.
Also, the “Luffy can just restart his heart” excuse is just silly.
He wouldn’t let Saturn kill Bonney if he could stop it. He wouldn’t be begging for food if he didn’t need it.
We should all be railing at Oda for his poor handling of Luffy. Coming up with silly or puerile excuses only makes it worse. I believe some people even tried to claim that Luffy saw all his friends in danger and decided to run away to go hide somewhere instead of intervening to save them.
It’s that sort of thing that makes this exasperating. You can hate Kizaru all you want, but don’t throw your brain out to do it. Oda has made it multiple instance now where Luffy couldn’t actually save his friends despite “100x stronger than before.”
No he didn’t and we all know it. He wasn’t begging for food after 1 round of Gear 5 with Kaido or Lucci. He was back up (never actually fell flat to begin with) in a short time. He didn’t need anyone else to carry him off to safety either.
The running around and fighting people beneath him excuse doesn’t work since he had a feast after all that and a night’s rest.
Trying to pretend it’s the same doesn’t help anything here.
He wouldn’t let Saturn kill Bonney if he could stop it. He wouldn’t be begging for food if he didn’t need it.
We should all be railing at Oda for his poor handling of Luffy. Coming up with silly or puerile excuses only makes it worse. I believe some people even tried to claim that Luffy saw all his friends in danger and decided to run away to go hide somewhere instead of intervening to save them.
It’s that sort of thing that makes this exasperating. You can hate Kizaru all you want, but don’t throw your brain out to do it. Oda has made it multiple instance now where Luffy couldn’t actually save his friends despite “100x stronger than before.”
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No he didn’t and we all know it. He wasn’t begging for food after 1 round of Gear 5 with Kaido or Lucci. He was back up (never actually fell flat to begin with) in a short time. He didn’t need anyone else to carry him off to safety either.
The running around and fighting people beneath him excuse doesn’t work since he had a feast after all that and a night’s rest.
Trying to pretend it’s the same doesn’t help anything here.
I'd say a draw. Luffy stunned Kizaru with his blow, Kizaru tired out Luffy from the fight and forced him to need to regain his stamina from G5.
In the last head-on clash and sequence they had, Luffy got the better of Kizaru, repelling his attack, using it to spin him then landing that White Star Gun before Kizaru could really do anything, but all the running after Kizaru and clones and all that tired G5 Luffy out, and most importantly Kizaru was never knocked unconscious so I can't call it a Luffy win. Calling it a win for Kizaru seems strange when his attacks weren't effective and he ran to go after Vegapunk which Luffy had to respond to and not just Kizaru coming for him. Maybe it can be called a Kizaru win, but I'll go for draw.
Essentially, Luffy got the better of Kizaru in their last exhange, but Kizaru wore Luffy out and didn't get knocked out by White Star Gun. Draw, I would say, Kizaru is up, Luffy will return soon and they probably won't face each other again.
In the last head-on clash and sequence they had, Luffy got the better of Kizaru, repelling his attack, using it to spin him then landing that White Star Gun before Kizaru could really do anything, but all the running after Kizaru and clones and all that tired G5 Luffy out, and most importantly Kizaru was never knocked unconscious so I can't call it a Luffy win. Calling it a win for Kizaru seems strange when his attacks weren't effective and he ran to go after Vegapunk which Luffy had to respond to and not just Kizaru coming for him. Maybe it can be called a Kizaru win, but I'll go for draw.
Essentially, Luffy got the better of Kizaru in their last exhange, but Kizaru wore Luffy out and didn't get knocked out by White Star Gun. Draw, I would say, Kizaru is up, Luffy will return soon and they probably won't face each other again.
