Controversial Akainu Is Not A Fascist, Featuring Ryokugyu

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The SHs are believed to be murderers and rapists by most of the world you realize?

So? He still went there solely because they hit a CD.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

No because then Rocks gets first pick on all the devil fruits, and revokes his Garp back up for the most stacked crew we've seen yet.

Destroying Ohara + it's evacuating citizens with no remorse for a fascist regime isn't enough to make someone a fascist?

Yep, it’s not. Again:

So are hardline communists fascists? What about militant religious states? Burning books =/= fascism

Lee is correct here, unless you wank to conflate “evil authoritarianism” with fascism and make it an objectively useless term, the clear demarcation is in the actual belief contents as opposed to the actions taken.

Fascism stems primarily from a belief in discrimination and hierarchy itself.

Many ideologies are virtually indistinguishable if you look at the actions their adherents take, the belief content is what matters most for delineating them.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

name and shame the person who called him a fascist
@Elder Lee Hung

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I'd argue Akainu is a militant religious authoritarian. Considering the CDs view themselves as literal gods.


He's a right wing authotarian yes.

Where has Akainu ever referred to the CDs with reverence in the entire story? Lee gave clear examples of the opposite so the burden of proof is on you.

So? He still went there solely because they hit a CD.

And? That means he worships CDs?

If your boss at work got slapped by an assailant you would probably defend them, that doesnt mean you would suck them off or view them as a god lol.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Anyone who supports a fascist regime intentionally and knowingly is a fascist by action. Akainu is simply not a party leader, he's a loyal member of the WGs version of the SS.

garp's a fascist then as well?
mad stuff

 

[DavyJones]

Yep, it’s not. Again:


Fascism stems primarily from a belief in discrimination and hierarchy itself.

Many ideologies are virtually indistinguishable if you look at the actions their adherents take, the belief content is what matters most for delineating them.

I get your trying to figure out Akainus more intricate political views, but at the end of the day what matters is the result of his very intentional choices. Which all revolve around making sure pirates are suppressed, and securing the interests of Marie Jois.

I am very confident many of those in fascist regimes had all sorts of quibbles with them. But at the end of the day, Akainus more than just a card carrying Marine, he's the personal bodyguard of his fascist leaders.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Where has Akainu ever referred to the CDs with reverence in the entire story? Lee gave clear examples of the opposite so the burden of proof is on you.



And? That means he worships CDs?

If your boss at work got slapped by an assailant you would probably defend them, that doesnt mean you would suck them off or view them as a god lol.

he will use a sandman ap post saying akainu referred to the cd with respect

 

[DavyJones]

garp's a fascist then as well?
mad stuff

For the second time, yes. There were Nazi party members who helped save jewish people.

 

[Senfret]

garp's a fascist then as well?
mad stuff

At the very least he's a fascist collaborationist

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

coby is also a fascist then


too many brainlets on this site icl

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I get your trying to figure out Akainus more intricate political views, but at the end of the day what matters is the result of his very intentional choices. Which all revolve around making sure pirates are suppressed, and securing the interests of Marie Jois.

I am very confident many of those in fascist regimes had all sorts of quibbles with them. But at the end of the day, Akainus more than just a card carrying Marine, he's the personal bodyguard of his fascist leaders.

I agree that at the end of the day the results matter over everything else.

But that also doesn’t make someone on a fascist on its own.

Again I have no political stakes in this discussion at all, I just think we need to make sure terms actually mean something, because otherwise the word itself becomes less useful.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

You've convinced me.

Did you put the pfp before or after read this thread?

 

[DavyJones]

coby is also a fascist then


too many brainlets on this site icl

Also yes! Basically in the Hitler youth.

He's just a collaborationist though, and his actions as a sword member (and against Akainu) show his true allegiance. When push comes to shove over at the marines, I'm more than certain he'll fight against the fascists. Akainu will not.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

To me, it seems like Oda introduced Aramaki as a parallel to Akainu and what he could have been/become, just like how Issho is a parallel to what Kuzan could have been if he was less lazy.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

For the second time, yes. There were Nazi party members who helped save jewish people.

There's a massive difference between being a nazi party member and joining the marines to uphold lawful order . the alternative is anarchy . stop being obtuse and comparing this to a complex real life situation. its not the same

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

this is a shonen jump comic for pre teens, why the fuck are mfs comparing the marines to real fascist groups like the nazis

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

this is a shonen jump comic for pre teens, why the fuck are mfs comparing the marines to real fascist groups like the nazis

Because people want to say other people are morally wrong for enjoying characters in a non-existent faction in a fictional story

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yep, it’s not. Again:


Fascism stems primarily from a belief in discrimination and hierarchy itself.

Many ideologies are virtually indistinguishable if you look at the actions their adherents take, the belief content is what matters most for delineating them.
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Where has Akainu ever referred to the CDs with reverence in the entire story? Lee gave clear examples of the opposite so the burden of proof is on you.



And? That means he worships CDs?

If your boss at work got slapped by an assailant you would probably defend them, that doesnt mean you would suck them off or view them as a god lol.

I'm not saying he worships them, but he definitely holds them on a pedestal/likes to protect them.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Because people want to say other people are morally wrong for enjoying characters in a non-existent faction in a fictional story

people really overestimate the thought that Oda puts into things.

To Oda, Garp, and Koby are good marines despite Garp defending the CDs. It's just that simple. He's not thinking of anything else

 

[Senfret]

Because people want to say other people are morally wrong for enjoying characters in a non-existent faction in a fictional story

I like fascist characters from media I consumed before, it doesn't make me fascist, but they certainly are...