Chapter Discussion I am sorry but I just cant take Luffy seriously anymore

[Celestial D. Dragon]

The issue isn’t Luffy’s awakening. You can’t change the subject.

The issue is him needing to beg for tons of food when he did not need to when he was supposedly at death’s door.
If Luffy restarted his heart beat and was back up around the same time as Kizaru, there wouldn’t be as many complaints.

It’s the fact that Luffy started in a better state against Kizaru, at worst suffered similar damage (I’d even give you a bit more damage) from Kizaru yet needs so much food to get up long after Kizaru that’s the problem.

I can only see it being fine if one wants to claim that fighting Kizaru is that much worse than fighting Kaido.

I'm not changing it. You're not paying attention. Awakening has a limit. It can be used past it's limit, but is comes with greater risk. That's what Luffy did in the Kaido fight. He pushed past his limit to keep fighting, even at the expense of his own well being. Kaido literally asked him if he had a death wish when he went into G5 a second time.

On Wano it was do or die, so Luffy HAD to push past his limit and keep fighting. He doesn't need to do that here, so there is no reason to risk his health, when the option to heal is in front of him. Why would he? If Kizaru didn't fall from Star Gun, then Luffy would have continued fighting, even at the risk of his own life. It's asinine to expect him to do that, when he doesn't have to. Just because he can, doesn't mean he should, when there is a better alternative.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Why are you all reading One Piece, it seems like you can't enjoy it anymore ? Why do you guys hurt yourself ?

Luffy's need for food is directly linked to the way he thinks and the way his fruits works. Luffy doesn't heal because he eats. Luffy heals because he thinks food can heal him.

That the basic propriety of the fruit, the power of bending reality of the body and environment to Luffy's will.

Luffy isn't just healing, he is recharging. The concept of time limits of his devil fruits was precisely demonstrated by the battle of Wano.
If Luffy managed to keep coming back to his Nika form on Wano its only because he knew that all he had to do was to beat Kaido to end the battle which ended in Luffy being out for 7 days. Its not that simple here. Defeating a monster is not enough, Luffy needs all his strenght until everyone are safe. Even after the transformation

Despite his fruit, Luffy is not a god. So, he needs to takes time to recharge and not push himself to the limit. And he does that by what he thinks can "heal" him. Food.

Simple logic.

You’re not saying anything new. No matter what term you use, whether recharge or heal, Luffy shouldn’t have to when he could just restart his heart at death’s door.

Unless you’re saying that Kizaru has done worse than brought him to death’s door here, the excuses don’t work.

Nobody is saying that Luffy has to be a god or invincible. Kizaru isn’t a god either after all.

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I'm not changing it. You're not paying attention. Awakening has a limit. It can be used past it's limit, but is comes with greater risk. That's what Luffy did in the Kaido fight. He pushed past his limit to keep fighting, even at the expense of his own well being.

On Wano it was do or die, so Luffy HAD to push past his limit and keep fighting. He doesn't need to do that here, so there is no reason to risk his health, when the option to heal is in front of him. Why would he? If Kizaru didn't fall from Star Gun, then Luffy would have continued fighting, even at the risk of his own life. It's asinine to expect him to do that, when he doesn't have to. Just because he can, doesn't mean he should, when there is a better alternative.

You’re clearly the one not paying attention here because it is indeed do or die.

Bonney would be dead now without Kuma’s appearance while Luffy was busy begging for food. Vegapunk would be dead now if Kizaru decided to point a finger at his head.

Kizaru only momentarily fell and is already back up and terrorizing his crew mates with ample opportunity to kill several people.
What’s asinine is suggesting that Luffy wouldn’t consider it worth the risk to protect them when he’s already done so before.

Besides that, where is the better alternative that you suggest? Because so far it seems to only be Luffy expecting the antagonists to take pity on him and politely wait.

 

[suzaku]

And people said Egghead would be different from Wano LMAO.

Might be worse than wano fr

 

[Salah WG]

Apology Accepted

 

[RayanOO]

I fuckinh hate that trend of Luffy needing to eat to replenish his strength and go fighting again

it’s sooooooooo stupid

 

[Logiko]

Luffy shouldn’t have to when he could just restart his heart at death’s door.

He can't. Its not that simple.

This is problematic because in this power debate you guys seems to have completely forgotten what are the powers of Luffy and who Luffy is as a character and a fighter

Why do you think he can't just restart his hearth ? Simply because restarting his hearth means pushing his body to its limits.. but not his physical body...

.. but his MENTAL BODY.

Why do you think gear second reduces the life span of Luffy, why gear third shrinks Luffy and why gear 4th paralize Luffy ?

- Because it takes back the physical damage done to the body ? No
- Because those form are draining him ? No

All of those drawbacks happens because of one reason: Luffy doesn't think that he can win fight the easy way. All those drawbacks are not really drawbacks, they are part of the transformations themselves. This is why they can dissapear overtime with training. Gear 2-3-4 are not just Luffy with different forms, they are ALL Luffy in Nika mode with different intensity each times. ALL the form are reality blending forms and all are requiered to follow the same rule:

If Luffy thinks his transformation or body passed the limit, he will need to recharge. Sometimes in very rare occasions, he can bypass that limit because his own will if he tells himself that this is the only solution to win, but other times he will just shut down and take a nap.

The reality is that transforming in gear 5 is not the only solution to win here. The situation is too desesperate for that, the crew needs to escape. So Luffy needs his strenght and therefore needs to recharge.

This is why he doesn't push himself to his limits on egghead. It would be a suicidal move. The treath is too big.

 

[BlackLegFring]

He can't. Its not that simple.

This is problematic because in this power debate you guys seems to have completely forgotten what are the powers of Luffy and who Luffy is as a character and a fighter

Why do you think he can't just restart his hearth ? Simply because restarting his hearth means pushing his body to its limits.. but not his physical body...

.. but his MENTAL BODY.

Why do you think gear second reduces the life span of Luffy, why gear third shrinks Luffy and why gear 4th paralize Luffy ?

- Because it takes back the physical damage done to the body ? No
- Because those form are draining him ? No

All of those drawbacks happens because of one reason: Luffy doesn't think that he can win fight the easy way. All those drawbacks are not really drawbacks, they are part of the transformations themselves. This is why they can dissapear overtime with training. Gear 2-3-4 are not just Luffy with different forms, they are ALL Luffy in Nika mode with different intensity each times. ALL the form are reality blending forms and all are requiered to follow the same rule:

If Luffy thinks his transformation or body passed the limit, he will need to recharge. Sometimes in very rare occasions, he can bypass that limit because his own will if he tells himself that this is the only solution to win, but other times he will just shut down and take a nap.

The reality is that transforming in gear 5 is not the only solution to win here. The situation is too desesperate for that, the crew needs to escape. So Luffy needs his strenght and therefore needs to recharge.

This is why he doesn't push himself to his limits on egghead. It would be a suicidal move. The treath is too big.

Again, the excuses don’t work. See the response to Celestial Dragon.

Bonney would be dead now if not for Kuma while Luffy was on the ground begging for food. The threat was more than dire enough. The person he swore to protect and some crewmates were about to die right in front of him.
They’d already be dead if the antagonists were so inclined.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

His crew is getting buttfucked at the moment.

There is needing food and then there is pigging out so much you cant move.

Well you can’t change Oda he wants fights to be less serious with Luffy that Nika DF should be indication .

 

[Logiko]

Again, the excuses don’t work. See the response to Celestial Dragon.

Yes it works.

Again you don't take into account who Luffy is. Luffy relies on his friends and he let them take care of Bonney and Vegapunk, so he doesn't need to take them into account and Luffy doesn't know that Kizaru is back up.

Right now the only thing Luffy focuses on his taking as much strenght back as possible to be able to cover his crew while fleeing. And he - again - doesn't know that Kizaru is not really dealt with.

Remember that the road to victory is not always the fast one. Sometimes, you need to take a detour or take a break.

The situation is not just about winning or protecting Bonney. Its about saving everyone. Luffy believes in his crew so his crew will manage.

 

[Kerkovian]

Cry,cope,mald and seethe haters. None of your opinion matters.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Yes it works.

Again you don't take into account who Luffy is. Luffy relies on his friends and he let them take care of Bonney and Vegapunk, so he doesn't need to take them into account and Luffy doesn't know that Kizaru is back up.

Right now the only thing Luffy focuses on his taking as much strenght back as possible to be able to cover his crew while fleeing. And he - again - doesn't know that Kizaru is not really dealt with.

Remember that the road to victory is not always the fast one. Sometimes, you need to take a detour or take a break.

The situation is not just about winning or protecting Bonney. Its about saving everyone. Luffy believes in his crew so his crew will manage.

Luffy’s friends were frozen while Bonney was about to get shot. That’s why he was begging for food in the first place because he knew he was needed. His friends didn’t do anything, Kuma that came out of nowhere did.

The excuse doesn’t work. Empty aphorisms don’t change any of that.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Moral of story Fuji , Dont take Luffy serious lol . His character is not meant to be Serious .

 

[Logiko]

Luffy’s friends were frozen while Bonney was about to get shot.

That he doesn't know. He still believes in them no matter their status.

His friends didn’t do anything

This is not Luffy's concern, he believes in them. He doesn't care if they had help along the way or not.

All Luffy cares about is his task and his captain's job, which is to keep the big threat from causing too much damage to his crew. And that's what he managed to do by putting down Kizaru. Luffy is not a savior, he is a captain.

Now that he managed to regain his strenght back he will continue this task.

You guys are searching flaws in something that was always here and that is perfectly logical and self explanatory.You can't say "I like Luffy more pretime skip" and say that Luffy at his limits taking a snack/nap break to come back is bad when it was written in the storylines and the characterization of Luffy since the beginning of the story... this is contradictory.

 

[Captain Luffy]

Took you so long to understand his character, this guy took whole crew to sky island through knock off stream. They would have died normally but its one piece. Everything is planned by oda.

 

[nik87]

This man knowing full well in how much danger his crew is prefered to go pig out on some Big Macs. Complete clown of a character.

You are slow Fuji-chin but you made it.
One of us, one of us, one of us...

 

[Herrera95]

or ya know he could be trusting that his crew can handle themselves while he refuels

Poor Luffy/Oda tard excuse.

Just like Franky saying he shouldn't be afraid of Big Mom.

It is ridiculous.

 

[DJOMOLO]

Poor Luffy/Oda tard excuse.

Just like Franky saying he shouldn't be afraid of Big Mom.

It is ridiculous.

Why are you shitting on Franky. It fits his character

 

[suzaku]

Why are you shitting on Franky. It fits his character

Can't even defeat fodder Tobi roppo. He should STFU 😒

 

[Mr.Baj1o]

This man knowing full well in how much danger his crew is prefered to go pig out on some Big Macs. Complete clown of a character.

Well thats his Charachter and how Oda treats this "trust" between them but yea i totally agree with you not because this but just in general i cant take serious since previous Arcs lol

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I have to say that's it's real hard to enjoy Luffy's character the way Oda handled it post TS. It's gradually becoming worse.
The power ups and their horrible drawbacks. He did something good with adv CoC but then he nerfs Luffy again with G5 so that he can create fake tension whenever it's convenient for him.

But it always results in Luffy looking like a joke and an unreliable captain.