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Why do you say that? If you think I have no empathy for these people then you are wrong, but I am sorry to tell you but you're an idealist, not a realist.
If we lived in a perfect world then sure, but this is not a perfect world.
Take a look at Sweden, once one of the safest countries in Europe, now it's ripe with terror attacks, gang violence and much more. All because they take in more people than they have capacity to handle.
To me you sound well and truly arrogant.
You seem to believe that you are better than everyone else, so of course you should share some of your greatness with others. Yes, and what is your point exactly. Every human has biases, it is unavoidable.
But you're spinning science to be political when it is not. How can researching quantum physics be political.
They are trying to, as you say, expand knowledge. Sure if you're going to be extremely pedantic, it is towards progress, but progress has absolutely nothing to do with politics.
Why does progress has to be linked to politics? Nothing stays the same forever, progress is inevitable. You're a lost cause man. Is science perfect? No.
However, it doesn't matter.
Facts do not care about your feelings.
Even if you think you understand the result, and something happens that makes the current accepted science be questioned, it does NOT change the fact that there's no inherent agenda to expanding knowledge.
If we are talking about social sciences, you have some modicum of a point, but you're presenting it as if the act of expanding knowledge is political. It is a mind numbingly weak argument.
If we lived in a perfect world then sure, but this is not a perfect world.
Take a look at Sweden, once one of the safest countries in Europe, now it's ripe with terror attacks, gang violence and much more. All because they take in more people than they have capacity to handle.
To me you sound well and truly arrogant.
You seem to believe that you are better than everyone else, so of course you should share some of your greatness with others. Yes, and what is your point exactly. Every human has biases, it is unavoidable.
But you're spinning science to be political when it is not. How can researching quantum physics be political.
They are trying to, as you say, expand knowledge. Sure if you're going to be extremely pedantic, it is towards progress, but progress has absolutely nothing to do with politics.
Why does progress has to be linked to politics? Nothing stays the same forever, progress is inevitable. You're a lost cause man. Is science perfect? No.
However, it doesn't matter.
Facts do not care about your feelings.
Even if you think you understand the result, and something happens that makes the current accepted science be questioned, it does NOT change the fact that there's no inherent agenda to expanding knowledge.
If we are talking about social sciences, you have some modicum of a point, but you're presenting it as if the act of expanding knowledge is political. It is a mind numbingly weak argument.
The question about ilegal immigration, especially in America, is a fair one. The problem comes from political clout. Both parties peddle propaganda and false promises and don’t resolve the core issues at hand since it is a useful political tool in order to win elections.
in this specific case, I think it is disingenuous to imply that the federal government is trying to flood the country with illegals when the feds have been enacting the same policies for the last 16 years regardless of who the president is. The issue here is not about ilegals per se, but of the political stunt Greg abbot is performing in order to score political points with a base that has shown time and time again to have an empathy and racism problem. How hard is it to agree that trapping poor migrants with razor wire inside bodies of water is cruel and inhumane?
also, you could consider this treason l, since the Supreme Court has order the state of Texas to move aside and let border patrol do their jobs.
in this specific case, I think it is disingenuous to imply that the federal government is trying to flood the country with illegals when the feds have been enacting the same policies for the last 16 years regardless of who the president is. The issue here is not about ilegals per se, but of the political stunt Greg abbot is performing in order to score political points with a base that has shown time and time again to have an empathy and racism problem. How hard is it to agree that trapping poor migrants with razor wire inside bodies of water is cruel and inhumane?
also, you could consider this treason l, since the Supreme Court has order the state of Texas to move aside and let border patrol do their jobs.
I'm not denying that it is inhumane or cruel, and I have full respect for your PoV. However my point is that at some stage people become desperate, they will do anything that is necessary.
I will say however that I am not knowledgeable about this specific incident, but it is always worth asking the question why are we at this stage. What caused this to happen.
it’s easy to question the outcome, but there is alway a reason for things happening
I will say however that I am not knowledgeable about this specific incident, but it is always worth asking the question why are we at this stage. What caused this to happen.
it’s easy to question the outcome, but there is alway a reason for things happening
I looked the journey they going to. Like Darien gap... on train tops etc... Still no symphathy... Dems promoted there country as all in for immigrants so ofcourse people got there hopes up and decided to travel here...
Invest into screening people and there backrounds first or dont allow anyone at all. unless you love fentanyl. sucks americans cant get normal drugs from afganistan anymore
Invest into screening people and there backrounds first or dont allow anyone at all. unless you love fentanyl. sucks americans cant get normal drugs from afganistan anymore
No I'm not. If you had that much empathy, REAL empathy for those people, you would not say that
You would milite for those people to be welcomed in your country, even if they are breaking these "laws". Not all laws are just.
This is not an excuse. Because some people do bad things doesn't mean that we must shut the gate to people at death's door.
Furthermore, the rise in crime is not related to immigration but bad and poorly thoughts economic politics. People don't do crimes because they comes from another country, people do crimes because they have no other ways to live in their situations.
This feeling of arrogance is the reflect of your apathy.
The point is that science is not divine. It does not exist without human intervention. Its a human discipline and because we are full of biases, science can't be perfect and neutral.
I did not say that science was political but yes the act of doing science is. I said that science was not neutral. Meaning that we put values in sciences while doing sciences. values but also unintended biases.
And because the scientific process can be bias, we must keep it as unbias and as ethical as possible. This is why we need to keep feeding the scientific process with ethical values and therefore politic.
Science without ethic and therefore progressive political values is chaos but science with bad politic is the apocalypse.
Well.. those biases mostly apply to social sciences as they are analysing and trying to understand human behaviors. But I'm sure we can find field of hard science where the importance of those value apply.
Can you tell me : What is stopping scientists from atomizing the entierity of a country to test the effect of the atomic bomb on local climate ?
In a perfect world indeed. Progress should not be politic ("politic" being the process of the clash of values), it should just be the logical thing to do and everyone would agree with progress.. but we are not in a perfect world.
No its not. I do believe that progress will eventually lead all the way.. but that's pure faith. What you are doing here is confusing change with progress.
Change is inevitable... but progress is not. Progress is a choice.
Progress can be stopped and progress can be reversed.
And science... can disappear.
I'm one of the biggest science fan of this forum. You are not telling me anything new.
Yes.. there is. The act of doing science is a moral act toward progress and therefore a political act.
Its perfectly political and the agenda is progress. But sometimes... sometimes the agenda can change.
In fact something I learned about the current scientific process is that science might be researched by people who only seek progress, but the agenda behind it - those who pay the bills - have often other interests. Sadly, science is a now more than a naive run toward progress, it has become a business.
This is another reason why we must be VERY careful about our biases and the biases of those who make science.
That's why we must accept them. Because they will come either way even if they have to die before that.
I think you are underestimating th will of people in distress.
You would milite for those people to be welcomed in your country, even if they are breaking these "laws". Not all laws are just.
This is not an excuse. Because some people do bad things doesn't mean that we must shut the gate to people at death's door.
Furthermore, the rise in crime is not related to immigration but bad and poorly thoughts economic politics. People don't do crimes because they comes from another country, people do crimes because they have no other ways to live in their situations.
This feeling of arrogance is the reflect of your apathy.
The point is that science is not divine. It does not exist without human intervention. Its a human discipline and because we are full of biases, science can't be perfect and neutral.
I did not say that science was political but yes the act of doing science is. I said that science was not neutral. Meaning that we put values in sciences while doing sciences. values but also unintended biases.
And because the scientific process can be bias, we must keep it as unbias and as ethical as possible. This is why we need to keep feeding the scientific process with ethical values and therefore politic.
Science without ethic and therefore progressive political values is chaos but science with bad politic is the apocalypse.
Well.. those biases mostly apply to social sciences as they are analysing and trying to understand human behaviors. But I'm sure we can find field of hard science where the importance of those value apply.
Can you tell me : What is stopping scientists from atomizing the entierity of a country to test the effect of the atomic bomb on local climate ?
In a perfect world indeed. Progress should not be politic ("politic" being the process of the clash of values), it should just be the logical thing to do and everyone would agree with progress.. but we are not in a perfect world.
No its not. I do believe that progress will eventually lead all the way.. but that's pure faith. What you are doing here is confusing change with progress.
Change is inevitable... but progress is not. Progress is a choice.
Progress can be stopped and progress can be reversed.
And science... can disappear.
I'm one of the biggest science fan of this forum. You are not telling me anything new.
Yes.. there is. The act of doing science is a moral act toward progress and therefore a political act.
Its perfectly political and the agenda is progress. But sometimes... sometimes the agenda can change.
In fact something I learned about the current scientific process is that science might be researched by people who only seek progress, but the agenda behind it - those who pay the bills - have often other interests. Sadly, science is a now more than a naive run toward progress, it has become a business.
This is another reason why we must be VERY careful about our biases and the biases of those who make science.
That's why we must accept them. Because they will come either way even if they have to die before that.
I think you are underestimating th will of people in distress.
Helping women/black peeps and helping foreigners arent mutually exclusive. You can do both lol
The link isnt really helping your point, like, at all.
If we destroyed all scientific knowledge and started over, we would eventually get to the same conclusions. Gravitational constant wont change with a researcher that has different political bias.
Certain things not being researched as much is not the same as research conclusions differing depending on the researchers bias.
Antilogic and antiscience
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That's how it works mates.
Any scientist epistemologist will confirm you that the science process inherently comes with biases. You cannot escape it. Simply because this is a human action and we are full of biases.
I already proved you guys in late december with clear researched papers that there was sexist bias in the science process and science access. You choosed to ignore that. But I'm someone that doesn't give up, so here is another article from a completely different field of science explaining why bias in science is still a thing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1761670/
Doing science =/= creating objectivity. Science is simply a discipline created to understand our reality better, its not perfect... Simply because we are not perfect.
Damn, you really are lost if you think that Donald Trump is against the status quo and against the removal of his priviledges...
Science care.
And you are disregarding it.
Then you are anti science. Simple as that.
Wrong.
Science means "the additions of knowledges". Its a discipline that consist in creating knowledges, organizing them and make testable results.
Indeed, you just need to be educated on astronomy. Which is only one discipline of Science.
To understand what I'm talking about, you need to be educated on social sciences another fields of scientific discipline. And right now, you are not.
When you live in cities where you can barely buy food and water and when you or your children risk to be killed, executed or kidnapped everyday... maybe you might wanna consider moving... even illegally if you have no choice.
With that kind of ignorant behavior, don't expect someone to welcome you one day if you have no other choices but to cross a border illegally for you and your family to survive a crisis.
I don't seem, maybe, but I am. And you would be wise to consider listening to me when I talk about colonialism, racism and progressive issues.
Everyday. I did not wait for you.
Now, you still haven't replied to me: What are you considering "racist stereotype"s in the populations of the Shandians and the Torino Kingdom ?
Any scientist epistemologist will confirm you that the science process inherently comes with biases. You cannot escape it. Simply because this is a human action and we are full of biases.
I already proved you guys in late december with clear researched papers that there was sexist bias in the science process and science access. You choosed to ignore that. But I'm someone that doesn't give up, so here is another article from a completely different field of science explaining why bias in science is still a thing.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1761670/
Doing science =/= creating objectivity. Science is simply a discipline created to understand our reality better, its not perfect... Simply because we are not perfect.
Damn, you really are lost if you think that Donald Trump is against the status quo and against the removal of his priviledges...
Science care.
And you are disregarding it.
Then you are anti science. Simple as that.
Wrong.
Science means "the additions of knowledges". Its a discipline that consist in creating knowledges, organizing them and make testable results.
Indeed, you just need to be educated on astronomy. Which is only one discipline of Science.
To understand what I'm talking about, you need to be educated on social sciences another fields of scientific discipline. And right now, you are not.
When you live in cities where you can barely buy food and water and when you or your children risk to be killed, executed or kidnapped everyday... maybe you might wanna consider moving... even illegally if you have no choice.
With that kind of ignorant behavior, don't expect someone to welcome you one day if you have no other choices but to cross a border illegally for you and your family to survive a crisis.
I don't seem, maybe, but I am. And you would be wise to consider listening to me when I talk about colonialism, racism and progressive issues.
Everyday. I did not wait for you.
Now, you still haven't replied to me: What are you considering "racist stereotype"s in the populations of the Shandians and the Torino Kingdom ?
If we destroyed all scientific knowledge and started over, we would eventually get to the same conclusions. Gravitational constant wont change with a researcher that has different political bias.
Certain things not being researched as much is not the same as research conclusions differing depending on the researchers bias.
Antilogic and antiscience
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Hm, yes it
It literally shows you an example were science as scientific process can be bias. But hey... this is not the first time one of you guys are ignoring scientific researches
1. Not really, conclusions are also contextual. We don't arrive to specific conclusions because they are meant to be accessed, we are making them because we have all the tools to create them or the right situations were presented to us. And scientific knowledge is often - if not always - relying on previous works. Which means that even if technically there should be similar results in the very far end of the line (at least for hard science, its not that easy for soft sciences) what happen in between to the results and the method could be very different.
2. The point I'm making is not about the conclusions, its about the bias that can prevent us from creating good conclusions. By saying that science is just as bias as the best human making it, doesn't mean that we can't create good results. It means that we needs to be careful about the process and therefore countering those bias with the scientific method but also human and therefore ethical values.
You should know that the way we see the universe through our knowledge and science might be completely determined by the way we create this knowledge. Its like language. The way we speak influence the way we think.
Things get tricky when we imagine the universe without an anthropomorphic lens.
Think again.
It literally shows you an example were science as scientific process can be bias. But hey... this is not the first time one of you guys are ignoring scientific researches
1. Not really, conclusions are also contextual. We don't arrive to specific conclusions because they are meant to be accessed, we are making them because we have all the tools to create them or the right situations were presented to us. And scientific knowledge is often - if not always - relying on previous works. Which means that even if technically there should be similar results in the very far end of the line (at least for hard science, its not that easy for soft sciences) what happen in between to the results and the method could be very different.
2. The point I'm making is not about the conclusions, its about the bias that can prevent us from creating good conclusions. By saying that science is just as bias as the best human making it, doesn't mean that we can't create good results. It means that we needs to be careful about the process and therefore countering those bias with the scientific method but also human and therefore ethical values.
You should know that the way we see the universe through our knowledge and science might be completely determined by the way we create this knowledge. Its like language. The way we speak influence the way we think.
Things get tricky when we imagine the universe without an anthropomorphic lens.
Think again.
Read your response to this a couple more times, you are in fact proving my point.
This proves to me you’re not interested at all in challenging yourself through discours, but rather you’re trying to spin everything to fit your view of the world.
You are 100% correct, it is not BECAUSE they are from other countries, it is because THE COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE CAPACITY to deal with them. So you are in fact proving my point.
This proves to me you’re not interested at all in challenging yourself through discours, but rather you’re trying to spin everything to fit your view of the world.
You are 100% correct, it is not BECAUSE they are from other countries, it is because THE COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE CAPACITY to deal with them. So you are in fact proving my point.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/26/trump-verdict-e-jean-carroll-defamation-trial/
wow if Trump is President even after this I would roflol at Voters .
wow if Trump is President even after this I would roflol at Voters .
How? I'm not the one the defending criminals and organized crime,its you. You probably got triggered because you and your family didn't migrate the proper way(it costs a lot of money) back when you were a kid. As for the cocaine stuff,you are either are mentally ill,drugged up or you are not 27(maybe 13).
You were the one that started this "game" by being a prick to everyone for no reason whatsoever. Every fucking time a log in here,its you going on a insult spree. I figured it must be cocaine you guys use in Colombia. That is the only reasonable explanation to explain the temper and shitty takes defending organized crime.
Yes,there is organized crime involved in illegal immigration. It isn't all just rainbows and flowers. I might be an unwanted fuck,but at least my parents gave me the proper education,it seems illegal immigrants generate dirty mouthed,cocaine fulled,socialist fat fucks. See people,this is why any nationalists needs to be against migration.
The fool pays back for American hospitality by bashing the country online and becoming a socialist. Don't welcome people that are against your national values,guys. "Ban Ar","Ban high cap magazines","Gun control","Give me free stuff","The gov needs to wipe my ass everyday". Shut up,loser. Move away back to the narco nation known as Colombia if you are not satisfied.
lmfao look who is talking,fat man.
You were the one that started this "game" by being a prick to everyone for no reason whatsoever. Every fucking time a log in here,its you going on a insult spree. I figured it must be cocaine you guys use in Colombia. That is the only reasonable explanation to explain the temper and shitty takes defending organized crime.
Yes,there is organized crime involved in illegal immigration. It isn't all just rainbows and flowers. I might be an unwanted fuck,but at least my parents gave me the proper education,it seems illegal immigrants generate dirty mouthed,cocaine fulled,socialist fat fucks. See people,this is why any nationalists needs to be against migration.
The fool pays back for American hospitality by bashing the country online and becoming a socialist. Don't welcome people that are against your national values,guys. "Ban Ar","Ban high cap magazines","Gun control","Give me free stuff","The gov needs to wipe my ass everyday". Shut up,loser. Move away back to the narco nation known as Colombia if you are not satisfied.
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🤡 no thanks ,I'd rather look up actual papers
That's because you're an emotionally disabled narcissist, I expected nothing else coming from you
🤡 no thanks ,I'd rather look up actual papersThat's because you're an emotionally disabled narcissist, I expected nothing else coming from you
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