Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

Why does progress has to be linked to politics?

It doesnt have to be. Retardiko is just a crazy ideologue. And he cherry picks science based on ideology. And i guess this nonsense he says about science now is highkey rationalizing his cherry picking

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Facts do not care about your feelings.

100%

 

[NAMELESS]

So is this a practical or moral problem when it comes to illegal immigrants?

I think both. How are they going to make a living for themselves? Will they integrate into American culture?

 

[Ravagerblade]

I think both. How are they going to make a living for themselves? Will they integrate into American culture?

They don't, for the most part, Why else does tons of our products now have to cater to their language, just as an example. It wasn't much of a thing in the past but the last few decades changed that. As an example.

 

[Zenos7]

Maybe we would even get better gravity explanation. Becouse current one needs fictional dark matter to work on large objects like galaxies and fails at small like electrons etc.

Constants wont change though. Earth orbiting the sun wont change. Obviously we dont know everything, but thats not the same as stating nonsense like political bias will skew research findings. Saying that means one doesnt understand how science actually works.

 

[NAMELESS]

They don't, for the most part, Why else does tons of our products now have to cater to their language, just as an example. It wasn't much of a thing in the past but the last few decades changed that. As an example.

Then its a big problem. Not only do they increase poverty,but they are also easy prey to the left.

 

[Zenos7]

Hm, yes it

It literally shows you an example were science as scientific process can be bias. But hey... this is not the first time one of you guys are ignoring scientific researches

You either didnt read or understand your link.

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Or my point

 

[NAMELESS]

You either didnt read or understand your link.

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Or my point

Classic C4N.

 

[Zenos7]

. The point I'm making is not about the conclusions, its about the bias that can prevent us from creating good conclusions

We are talking about very different things then.

 

[NAMELESS]

No I'm not. If you had that much empathy, REAL empathy for those people, you would not say that

You would milite for those people to be welcomed in your country, even if they are breaking these "laws". Not all laws are just.



This is not an excuse. Because some people do bad things doesn't mean that we must shut the gate to people at death's door.

Furthermore, the rise in crime is not related to immigration but bad and poorly thoughts economic politics. People don't do crimes because they comes from another country, people do crimes because they have no other ways to live in their situations.


This feeling of arrogance is the reflect of your apathy.



The point is that science is not divine. It does not exist without human intervention. Its a human discipline and because we are full of biases, science can't be perfect and neutral.


I did not say that science was political but yes the act of doing science is. I said that science was not neutral. Meaning that we put values in sciences while doing sciences. values but also unintended biases.

And because the scientific process can be bias, we must keep it as unbias and as ethical as possible. This is why we need to keep feeding the scientific process with ethical values and therefore politic.

Science without ethic and therefore progressive political values is chaos but science with bad politic is the apocalypse.



Well.. those biases mostly apply to social sciences as they are analysing and trying to understand human behaviors. But I'm sure we can find field of hard science where the importance of those value apply.

Can you tell me : What is stopping scientists from atomizing the entierity of a country to test the effect of the atomic bomb on local climate ?



In a perfect world indeed. Progress should not be politic ("politic" being the process of the clash of values), it should just be the logical thing to do and everyone would agree with progress.. but we are not in a perfect world.



No its not. I do believe that progress will eventually lead all the way.. but that's pure faith. What you are doing here is confusing change with progress.

Change is inevitable... but progress is not. Progress is a choice.

Progress can be stopped and progress can be reversed.

And science... can disappear.


I'm one of the biggest science fan of this forum. You are not telling me anything new.



Yes.. there is. The act of doing science is a moral act toward progress and therefore a political act.
Its perfectly political and the agenda is progress. But sometimes... sometimes the agenda can change.

In fact something I learned about the current scientific process is that science might be researched by people who only seek progress, but the agenda behind it - those who pay the bills - have often other interests. Sadly, science is a now more than a naive run toward progress, it has become a business.

This is another reason why we must be VERY careful about our biases and the biases of those who make science.




That's why we must accept them. Because they will come either way even if they have to die before that.



I think you are underestimating th will of people in distress.

Random American city:doing alright pre-mass illegal immigration.
Random American city post-illegal immigration:fentanyl,cocaine,crack,gang wars,thiefs,homeless people...
"Its cause poorly though out economic politics"

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You guys are barking up the wrong tree. Instead of fixing the migration problem,how about fixing Mexico instead?

 

[Zenos7]

You guys are barking the wrong tree. Instead of fixing the migration problem,how about fixing Mexico instead?

Another case of: why not both?

 

[NAMELESS]

Another case of: why not both?

Fair enough. Migration seems easier to solve after all...

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

You guys are barking the wrong tree

You copied an expression I used 2 days ago in a post but you don't know how to use it correctly

 

[NAMELESS]

You copied an expression I used 2 days ago in a post but you don't know how to use it correctly

For real? Teach me,solis-sama.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

For real? Teach me,solis-sama.

Bye "Wannabe favela gangster" 🤣🤣

 

[NAMELESS]

Bye "Wannabe favela gangster" 🤣🤣

 

[Toby D. Dog]

How? I'm not the one the defending criminals and organized crime,its you. You probably got triggered because you and your family didn't migrate the proper way(it costs a lot of money) back when you were a kid. As for the cocaine stuff,you are either are mentally ill,drugged up or you are not 27(maybe 13).
You were the one that started this "game" by being a prick to everyone for no reason whatsoever. Every fucking time a log in here,its you going on a insult spree. I figured it must be cocaine you guys use in Colombia. That is the only reasonable explanation to explain the temper and shitty takes defending organized crime.
Yes,there is organized crime involved in illegal immigration. It isn't all just rainbows and flowers. I might be an unwanted fuck,but at least my parents gave me the proper education,it seems illegal immigrants generate dirty mouthed,cocaine fulled,socialist fat fucks. See people,this is why any nationalists needs to be against migration.
The fool pays back for American hospitality by bashing the country online and becoming a socialist. Don't welcome people that are against your national values,guys. "Ban Ar","Ban high cap magazines","Gun control","Give me free stuff","The gov needs to wipe my ass everyday". Shut up,loser. Move away back to the narco nation known as Colombia if you are not satisfied.

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lmfao look who is talking,fat man.

Literally putting words in my mouth. Organized crime?? Shut the fuck up you imbecile, if you actually had an education you’d at least know what the fuck I’m talking about. Go buy or sell you nfts you stupid fucking idiot. Go cuck yourself to your local gang. Just because I have empathy for others and want basic shit to be non negotiable doesn’t mean I want the government to “wipe my ass.” I don’t believe in post capitalism nor am I a fucking communist. You’re the one out here pretending I’m defending drug gangs when all I’m doing is having the bare minimum empathy for poor people.

Keep living your lonely pointless life you unwanted little shit. Everybody’s life is better without you in it.

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Another case of: why not both?

Mexicans are not migrating that much anymore. It’s mostly Central Americans.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I might be an unwanted fuck

my bunny so that's where all the negative energy comes from. How about booking an ayahuasca therapy session? It's said to help against all sorts of shit, PTSD,anxiety etc

my parents gave me the proper education

you have like zero understanding for the most basic things tbh

They don't, for the most part, Why else does tons of our products now have to cater to their language, just as an example. It wasn't much of a thing in the past but the last few decades changed that. As an example.

you are deadass scared of multilingual product packaging, I repeat SCARED OF MULTILINGUAL PRODUCT PACKAGING HAHAHAHAHA

Go buy or sell you nfts you stupid fucking idiot. Go cuck yourself to your local gang

Gangs fulfill the role of a replacement family for some people. It's actually sad

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SCARED OF MULTILINGUAL PRODUCT PACKAGING I CAN'T 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Toby D. Dog]

SCARED OF MULTILINGUAL PRODUCT PACKAGING I CAN'T 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That shit has been a thing since the 80 or 70s bro. It’s a thing in every fucking county. But this guy has never even traveled outside his county so he wouldn’t know. As per how people adapt, 2nd generation Americans speak English among themselves almost exclusively.

 

[Ravagerblade]

my bunny so that's where all the negative energy comes from. How about booking an ayahuasca therapy session? It's said to help against all sorts of shit, PTSD,anxiety etc
you have like zero understanding for the most basic things tbh
you are deadass scared of multilingual product packaging, I repeat SCARED OF MULTILINGUAL PRODUCT PACKAGING HAHAHAHAHA

Gangs fulfill the role of a replacement family for some people. It's actually sad

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SCARED OF MULTILINGUAL PRODUCT PACKAGING I CAN'T 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

There you go again misrepresenting what I say, I hope one day you will understand. But because you are an ignorant little fly, I doubt it'll amount to much. Remember context.

 

[NAMELESS]

Literally putting words in my mouth. Organized crime?? Shut the fuck up you imbecile, if you actually had an education you’d at least know what the fuck I’m talking about. Go buy or sell you nfts you stupid fucking idiot. Go cuck yourself to your local gang. Just because I have empathy for others and want basic shit to be non negotiable doesn’t mean I want the government to “wipe my ass.” I don’t believe in post capitalism nor am I a fucking communist. You’re the one out here pretending I’m defending drug gangs when all I’m doing is having the bare minimum empathy for poor people.

Keep living your lonely pointless life you unwanted little shit. Everybody’s life is better without you in it.

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Mexicans are not migrating that much anymore. It’s mostly Central Americans.

uhum,lets pretend gangs don't receive money to ferry migrants across and that some of those are used to carry drugs,weapons and illegal goods across. By empathy you mean letting anyone in without any papers just like your kind got in,right? I see right through you,dirt bag. Pretty sure i have a more active social life than you,fat cuck. I will never respect a man that doesn't even respect his own wife. You don't have a chance with Dua Lipa,btw.

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my bunny so that's where all the negative energy comes from. How about booking an ayahuasca therapy session? It's said to help against all sorts of shit, PTSD,anxiety etc
you have like zero understanding for the most basic things tbh
you are deadass scared of multilingual product packaging, I repeat SCARED OF MULTILINGUAL PRODUCT PACKAGING HAHAHAHAHA

Gangs fulfill the role of a replacement family for some people. It's actually sad

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SCARED OF MULTILINGUAL PRODUCT PACKAGING I CAN'T 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Ayuascha can backfire very badly though...But i don't think you can get any worse. You are pretty advanced case of narcissim,Loli. Maybe you should give it a try and then you tell me how it went.