Future Events Luffy vs Saturn or Luffy vs Kizaru Round 2 which do you think is most likely to happen at this point?

Which fight are we getting?


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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#61
Luffy will mid diff Kizaru lmao.

Who do you think is main threat this arc?

Personally. I think Saturn will be a group effort, including Luffy.
I said many times I don’t think either Kizaru or Saturn will be defeated here. I’m sure Nika will fight both in some form but neither are defeated. There’s no way Oda will draw an EOS war with only two Admirals and only four Gorosei.

The name of the game is to escape here as has been established in the canon 36 times, and there’s been no narrative buildup toward a Saturn or Kizaru defeat. The Giant Robot and the GWP are here to help with that escape.
 
#62
I said many times I don’t think either Kizaru or Saturn will be defeated here. I’m sure Nika will fight both in some form but neither are defeated. There’s no way Oda will draw an EOS war with only two Admirals and only four Gorosei.

The name of the game is to escape here as has been established in the canon 36 times, and there’s been no narrative buildup toward a Saturn or Kizaru defeat. The Giant Robot and the GWP are here to help with that escape.

Notice how the marines are being fucked over by the giants and pacifistas?

If you disagree then whatever.

But my argument is Ginny.

I find it makes 0 sense for Oda to write Bonney as character driven by revenge for 500 chapters. Find her target of revenge. Have her be wrong about who she needed to kill. Then find the guy who really killed her father. Then find out he killed her mother too.

And then not get any resolution.

Does she go off to kill Saturn? Or does Saturn lose here.

You are forgetting the shocking incident.

I have no idea why you always pick fights with people over a kids comic.

Get some help.
 
G

GUI VI

#63
Zoro vs Kiz...Zoro has been sidelined way more than it was expected. Lucci can't hold zoro for so long and if the fight was still going on then Oda would have showed us but it got totally sidelined. Oda is holding zoro back for a big moment.


With kiz using light sword few times this arc, I feel it's possible zoro will show up out of nowhere to intercept kiz
The man has spoken.:cheers:
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#64
I just think that luffy not clashing once with saturn would be weird
This ^

Two things which struck me weird....


First, Oda kept zoro away from the main drama.

Second, luffy has yet to clash with Saturn despite Gorosei being the only one there being aware of who Nika was and despite Saturn being the highest authority there and definitely he isn't your normal fodder.


I don't remember when was the last time oda kept Luffy away from top authority like Saturn and Zoro sidelined for this long in an arc like this


Saturn stare diff everyone but not luffy and Zoro isn't even there.

Till now, Saturn has let kiz do the work and thus Luffy has involved himself with kiz.

I can understand why because lot of other things were to be taken care of regarding Kuma and Bonney and Saturn was the main man around whom their story involves.

But this dynamic can change once zoro will appear because then kiz can be busy with zoro and you can have Luffy and/or Ancient Robot vs Saturn.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#65
I find it makes 0 sense for Oda to write Bonney as character driven by revenge for 500 chapters. Find her target of revenge. Have her be wrong about who she needed to kill. Then find the guy who really killed her father. Then find out he killed her mother too.

And then not get any resolution.
You read Bonney’s flashback as a revenge plot? Lmfao

Bonney doesn’t want revenge, she just wants her father back. Kuma getting his mind back and being together with Bonney again would complete her entire Egghead arc. If Kuma got his mind back, Bonney would forget all about Saturn and would just want to escape with her father. She is in no way, shape, or form motivated by revenge but by the desire to be with Kuma again.

Notice how the marines are being fucked over by the giants and pacifistas?
We’ll see what happens. One Yasakani no Magatama would end the GWP, so it depends on how hard Kizaru will continue to play for the other team. Kizaru wants all his friends to escape lol.

You are forgetting the shocking incident.
I have done an entire thread on the shocking incident and talked about it on 27 different occasions. It is you who’ve forgotten that I’ve talked about it this much and even tagged you in the thread where I explained what I think the shocking incident will be.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#66
I said many times I don’t think either Kizaru or Saturn will be defeated here. I’m sure Nika will fight both in some form but neither are defeated. There’s no way Oda will draw an EOS war with only two Admirals and only four Gorosei.

The name of the game is to escape here as has been established in the canon 36 times, and there’s been no narrative buildup toward a Saturn or Kizaru defeat. The Giant Robot and the GWP are here to help with that escape.
I do feel it's possible that Saturn remains undefeated this arc.


Regarding kiz - not so clear about his fate.


However, point is, build up is there and we might see zoro vs kiz and Luffy and/or Robot vs Saturn
 
#68
Lmfao

Bonney doesn’t want revenge, she just wants her father back. Kuma getting his mind back and being together with Bonney again would complete her entire Egghead arc. If Kuma got his mind back, Bonney would forget all about Saturn and would just want to escape with her father. She is in no way, shape, or form motivated by revenge but by the desire to be with Kuma again.
She needs revenge for her mother. So does Kuma.

Damn. How much of a loser can Oda make Kuma. He can't even get revenge for Ginny?

We’ll see what happens. One Yasakani no Magatama would end the GWP, so it depends on how hard Kizaru will continue to play for the other team. Kizaru wants all his friends to escape lol
No. I severely doubt the marines don't get fucked here at all. One thing you are ignoring is the technology on Egghead. The buster call is being destroyed for a reason. Because that technology obviously is going to be important EoS. See. If Saturn said he still wanted the technology. I'd agree they were running away. But Saturn explicitly wants EVERYTHING destroyed. That means the marines have to lose here.

have done an entire thread on the shocking incident an talked about it on 27 different occasions. It is you who’ve forgotten that I’ve talked about it this much and even tagged you in the thread where I explained what I think the shocking incident will be.

Yeah I don't really care.
 
#69
Either Luffy take out both or Kizaru will betray Saturn After seeing Vegapunk or someone dying

But I expect the first one more.
 
#70
How much longer can Luffy ignore Saturn he just stabbed fatally guy he said he would protect
Kuma is in no shape fight anymore a 2 vs 1 will be too much for Luffy it's beyond delusional to believe he can take on both. Some people were praying for some strong outside interference with the cliffhanger of ch 1105 but it turned out to be just Dorry and Brogy. Zoro can't be sidelined for much longer he will enter the scene fodder like Lucci isn't keeping him occupied for a whole arc
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#71
I never disagreed with the fights (although Zoro looking mad weak compared to Kizaru). I disagreed with the defeats which I’m confident absolutely are not happening this arc.
Zoro has yet to clash with kiz though.

Even you'll agree it's weird for oda to sideline Zoro for this long and not even showing his fight with Lucci.

And, if SH has to escape from here then only three people can work in tandem to make it possible - Luffy, Robot and Zoro against the likes of kiz and Saturn


But, I do feel there is a possibility that they might go undefeated. Still has my doubts regarding Saturn going down before we even get to see other Gorosei in action.
 
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#72
Things are simply going to well for the strawhats right now.

The fodder marines are on the ropes. Luffy is back up. The pacifistas and giants have given the strawhats the advantage.

I assume next chapter. Saturn shows off his real power. It's like Konstantis said.
 
#73
The issue with Zoro vs Kizaru is that at no point did the story make Zoro's loss at Shabondy seem like a loss that Zoro needs to get revenge for. In fact it was the opossite. Kizaru acknowledged that Zoro was exhausted before he arrived, there is no disrespect or humiliation going on here.
Meanwhile let's compare with how Kizaru treated Luffy in Marineford


Lectured him on his lack of strenght then called him a piece of trash after kicking him while down.

Yet somehow people tricked themselves into believing Zoro is totally the one in need of revenge :saden:
 
#74
I said many times I don’t think either Kizaru or Saturn will be defeated here. I’m sure Nika will fight both in some form but neither are defeated. There’s no way Oda will draw an EOS war with only two Admirals and only four Gorosei.

The name of the game is to escape here as has been established in the canon 36 times, and there’s been no narrative buildup toward a Saturn or Kizaru defeat. The Giant Robot and the GWP are here to help with that escape.
Funny how we Admiral fans can have different opinions about certain events even though we stan the same group of characters, really makes you think which side is actually trying to read the narrative and which is just trying to push an agenda.

Anyways I disagree with this being an escape arc with no antagonist losing. I actually think Saturn especially is not walking out of this arc. I think his seat will go to Garling. His role is to be the villain of Kuma's and Bonney's life and he will get beat here.

Egghead is not just a recharge and continue sailing station, it's pretty much a war between the newly crowned Yonkou crew and the WG. Luffy always gets a full fight in an arc with a major confrontation and he obviously always wins. As it stands I believe Elbaf will be a short arc.

And if he fights Kizaru then Kizaru should go down here. Luffy beats an Admiral here so that Zoro and Sanji can do it as well an arc or two later, just like with the commanders. Having Kizaru lose in an arc in which he's emotionally invested in honestly I like that better than getting random 2 panels every other chapter while Luffy is fighting the boss, Akainu.
This ^

Two things which struck me weird....
How much longer can Luffy ignore Saturn
Luffy and Saturn will clash at the beginning of next chapter, they should be right in front of each other while Kizaru is a distance away.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#76
She needs revenge for her mother. So does Kuma.
Bonney didn’t even know Ginny lmfao. Why should she need revenge for that? I don’t think Bonney has ever once expressed interest in Ginny. Her whole arc is about getting Kuma back.

As for Kuma, again he’s never expressed any interest in getting revenge for Ginny. He actively made a deal with the guy who killed Ginny, there’s no indication a peaceful loving man like Kuma wants revenge. If Kuma gets his mind back, I guarantee all he’ll care about is Bonney.

The buster call is being destroyed for a reason. Because that technology obviously is going to be important EoS.
It’s almost as if my “shocking incident” posts completely resolve this issue. It’s a good thing you actually read those posts instead of just accusing me of forgetting about that topic. That would make you look like a dishonest moron lmfao.

So I’ll type this for anyone else lurking since clearly you’re only interested in lying, but I’ve said multiple times throughout the months that the “Shocking Incident” is the Awakening of Ancient Kingdom technology across the world. Which kills many birds with one stone, one of which l would be allowing the Egghead technology to be destroyed without us actually losing anything since the Ancient Kingdom’s tech will start reawakening as the Giant Robot is.

You see, some of us have discussed to death how we think the trajectory of this manga will go for 10+ years now. We didn’t just arbitrarily spawn into a forum in 2023 and then be so clueless as to think no one has mapped out the end of this series until now lol. (Like you did)

And one of the major future plot elements that must happen is the catalyst for the entire world going to war against the World Government. The end of One Piece will be one giant World War where the world Oda has spent 30 years drawing all comes together to unite against a common enemy.

For this to happen, there must be some worldwide informational reveal that convinces the entire world that they must now fight the World Government. This will most likely happen on Egghead, in the same way that Shabondy revealed Ace’s execution which sparked the giant war at the end of the timeskip.

So Egghead is likely the arc that will spark the catalyst for the final world war. Meaning the whole fucking world will have to realize how evil the WG is. Which can really only be possible if the evils of the Void Century are suddenly revealed. People know the WG does Buster calls and erases history but no one is rebelling. So really we’re about to learn about the Void Century via Ancient Kingdom technology awakening.

Which addresses durable puppy’s complaint that we can’t lose the tech on Egghead. We absolutely can lose this tech if more AK tech will soon awaken on a worldwide scale, which will serve as the vehicle for Oda revealing the void century to the entire world and spark the end of series world war, etc etc etc.
 
#77
Bonney didn’t even know Ginny lmfao. Why should she need revenge for that? I don’t think Bonney has ever once expressed interest in Ginny. Her whole arc is about getting Kuma back.

As for Kuma, again he’s never expressed any interest in getting revenge for Ginny. He actively made a deal with the guy who killed Ginny, there’s no indication a peaceful loving man like Kuma wants revenge. If Kuma gets his mind back, I guarantee all he’ll care about is Bonney.



It’s almost as if my “shocking incident” posts completely resolve this issue. It’s a good thing you actually read those posts instead of just accusing me of forgetting about that topic. That would make you look like a dishonest moron lmfao.

So I’ll type this for anyone else lurking since clearly you’re only interested in lying, but I’ve said multiple times throughout the months that the “Shocking Incident” is the Awakening of Ancient Kingdom technology across the world. Which kills many birds with one stone, one of which l would be allowing the Egghead technology to be destroyed without us actually losing anything since the Ancient Kingdom’s tech will start reawakening as the Giant Robot is.

You see, some of us have discussed to death how we think the trajectory of this manga will go for 10+ years now. We didn’t just arbitrarily spawn into a forum in 2023 and then be so clueless as to think no one has mapped out the end of this series until now lol. (Like you did)

And one of the major future plot elements that must happen is the catalyst for the entire world going to war against the World Government. The end of One Piece will be one giant World War where the world Oda has spent 30 years drawing all comes together to unite against a common enemy.

For this to happen, there must be some worldwide informational reveal that convinces the entire world that they must now fight the World Government. This will most likely happen on Egghead, in the same way that Shabondy revealed Ace’s execution which sparked the giant war at the end of the timeskip.

So Egghead is likely the arc that will spark the catalyst for the final world war. Meaning the whole fucking world will have to realize how evil the WG is. Which can really only be possible if the evils of the Void Century are suddenly revealed. People know the WG does Buster calls and erases history but no one is rebelling. So really we’re about to learn about the Void Century via Ancient Kingdom technology awakening.

Which addresses durable puppy’s complaint that we can’t lose the tech on Egghead. We absolutely can lose this tech if more AK tech will soon awaken on a worldwide scale, which will serve as the vehicle for Oda revealing the void century to the entire world and spark the end of series world war, etc etc etc.
That's a whole lot of headcanon based off relatively nothing.

Even then. Oda wouldn't have had Bonney turn the pacifistas around. Or the giants destroy the fleet attacking Egghead.

Let it go.

The marines are losing here
 
#78
There’s no way Oda will draw an EOS war with only two Admirals and only four Gorosei.
Well why not?

You still got IMU, 4 gorosei which I believe strength is shown by order of the planets meaning Saturn is the weakest one (being the first introduction is obvious), Kong, Akainu, holy knights, Fuji, Greenbull, VA, etc

Vs

Strawhats EOS + grand fleet. Sounds fair to me
 
#79
The way arc is heading it will be Luffy vs Kizaru its very rare time oda doesnt let luffy fight main villain of the arc . Jack and Big Mom comes to my mind .

Saturn is end game Villain he is being build up for bigger arc that will come up . I think he will fight the Giants / Ancient Robot because Oda is clearly not revealing his full powers and honestly with arc concluding he is being reserved for final arcs .
 
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