what happened to america



and the west




they went from conservative countries to far leftist ones



with conservative leaders like roy harper and ronald reagan



now it's a hardcore liberal/leftist world with supporting leftist media like academia,news companies,entertainment media and social media to back up the leftist status quo



the leftist leaders biden and treadeau are pretty much held up by it's propganda wing ie news,academia and so on



with how deep the leftist system goes, is it really possible to ever get a conservative leader again????
 
C4N must've also forgotten that called me sexist racist and whatnot for carrot
I don't remember calling you that.
You admitted that you lied in an elegant way. I will give you that. I wish i had the skills to make up excuses like this.
Admitting that you are wrong is like riding a bike without training wheels. It will be hard at first and you will fall... but the more you will do it, the better you will be at it and the better it will make you feel.

At my point, after all those years of questionning myself over and over again. Moments where I'm noticing that I'm wrong are blissful ! Simply because I love evolving and those moments are becoming too rare.


love how you same liberals would moan about christian church indoctrinating kids with their ideology and your fine doing the exact same thing with your equally as bullshit belief system
As long as church doesn't negate the work of the education system and remains progressive, I'm okay with children following the beliefs of their parents. Of course I would prefer kids to be raised in a neutral ground in term of belief, but that's life. So your argument here is pretty much irrelevant.


i gave examples

of the charging of the same being diferent


and who did the sentencing


the courts which are apart of the system
Example are not syonymous of a systemic problem. You would need a LOT MORE example than what you just gave me for it to be the case.


ofc you can just blindly assume their lying for no good reason despite both being on the left wing party and having generally the same poltics as you except your broke and their not being the only real differnce
Biden and Trudeau are not leftist mate. Once again you are repeating nonsence. And no, they do not have the same politic as us.

your the only one who understands everyone else got it wrong
In this thread ? Possible yes. In real life, not quite sure, there are people far more competent that me.

cause you aint robin hood
Indeed, I'm not and I'm real.
I'm glad you noticed.
:josad:


right wing = counter culture



left wing = status quo


leading parties in the west are treadeau and biden self proclaimed femminsts and leftists exactly like you
No. Leftists are not in power mate. Unless you time travelled and put Bernie or Melenchon in office...


you are the ruling class carrot
Can I have my money then ? :josad:


and nothing you say changes that cnn and facebook



the big status quo companies are not facists but hardcore idealogical leftists exactly no different to you
Not fascist, yes. "Hardcore ideological leftists..." Cnn and Zukerberg and co ? Really ? :suresure:


you carrot are the rich elite
GIMME MY MONEY THEN :josad:


cause leftist is status quo
On planet Mars maybe. Not on Earth.

He called @Bob74h an incel even back then too.
Rightfully so. Bob is an incel. That's not an insult, this is an observation.

Also, careful when you are talking about homosexuality. You know how touchy I can be to defend trans.. now imagine this x100 when it comes to the defense of homosexual people.

Just a friendly warning. :sweat:

I think status quo leftist propaganda to kids is brainwashing
Your sentence doesn't make sence, not literally and politically.


and that's exactly what this social science is



nothing more then bs pushed by leftist elites of society that you carrot agree with
Still the antiscience guy hm ?


and leftism is the very system itself
On Venus perhaps... ?


and leftism is the very system itself



the comapnies = leftist


the goverments = leftist



the world leans so far left cause right wing is counter culture
I know you will ignore what I will say here, I'm saying this for others:

This is the face of far right and confusionnist radicalization. When you consider that conservatism is a counter culture, it probably means that your political internal spectrum has gone upside down. So be careful because you won't notice it when you fall and will have HARD TIME recovering from that.

yes im anti science for social sciences



cause it promotes leftist



and leftist is the system




and i oppose the system ie treadeau ie biden ie femmists
Therefore you are not reasonning rationally.


everything link you post generally just reflects the leftist stances on the writer of the study or article
Because those are researches that challenge your point of view, not because they are political. You just can't accept the fact that you can be wrong. Its not something that you want to register.

Now that you are admitting that you are antiscience.. I really don't know how I can debate with you. Its like debating with a flat earther or a foundamentalist, there is no much point. You are but an empty shell repeating propaganda in loop.

stop acting like your gender studies bs is the same as actual science
It is science. But you don't care about science. You care only about your vision of a society where you are oppressed by women.


Do you care to read your sources sometimes ? No because it doesn't really make you shine right now....

Your article is literally explaining how facebook is allowing conservatives to flourish and prevent leftist pages from being created.. Not really the leftist status co here Einstein.

:lawsigh:



"extreme Islamophobia" - lul

"He’s much too strong about the way he denies religion" said one scientist who got interviewed about dawkins in one of the sources. dawkins puts himself on a 6 at his 1-7 scale, so technically he is still an agnostic atheist. . .

"Ecklund said it is important to note that none of the scientists interviewed questioned Dawkins’ integrity as a scientist. Rather, they were critical of his representation of science to the public. "

and christopher hitchens isnt even a scientist himself, and his criticism of religion isnt based on science alot of the times.

and also lul at new atheism being right wing. not caring about political correctness and doing harsh criticism of religion doesnt make you right-wing.
You are literally ignoring the fact that dozen of scientist have alarming opinions about Dawkins's vision of science and the new atheism movement.. but hey!!!... Once again.. you are fighting against science and its researchers... Its not like its the first time and I bet that it won't be the last..

i guess the "new atheists" do think science is the best way to acquire knowledge about our natural world
No. Again you don't understand this movement at all. What you explained is what scientist think about science. The vision of Dawkins and the NA movement about science goes a step further... but keep ignoring what I say. I will definitely not bite you in the a*ss later I swear lol


nah, attacking the character instead of the argument IS a logical fallacy
Hm no. Not when the point is to precisely attack the individual's values system. You are confusing ad personam/ad hominem attacks that should not happen in a debate about the discourse of a person (because it doesn't relate to the debate) and the criticism or critical description of the path or values of a person that is precisely the subject of the debate. Here, we are in the secondary case.

We are not debating about the words of Dawkins, not anymore. We are debating about his values and his path in life.

ye dont bother sharing french shit with me, unless it has proper english subtitles
When I'm sharing content, its not always meant to appeal to the debater. Its for everyone else, and some people here speak french.


https://www.npr.org/2022/01/06/1070...nd-twitter-far-right-groups-lose-online-clout


Leftists status quo censored the right wing party on facebook



So much for a right wing status quo
Hep Einstein. Your article doesn't mention simple right wing content but far right ones.


because i dont really subscribe to any one ideology myself.
In short, you are right wing.
:kayneshrug:

When one don't subscribe to any ideology, it means that one will not follow ethical ideologies. Meaning that one will therefore not fight for those ideologies. In short: One is a rightist.

Its okay to be a right winger.. its not an insult, but its better when you accept yourself as you are.


well you gave me a source from a professor of religion on new atheism
Being religious doesn't mean that you can't do science. Being libertarian on the other hand means that you will most likely have immense biases against the conclusions of social sciences, especially sociology that tends to rip appart libertarian ideologies.


and how can you on one side say new atheism is paired with scientism and then say its becoming antiscientific?
Because the belief that science can fix all the problems is not scientific. Its politic.


but comparative religious science and educational science was full of it.
Logically yes as we are talking about human relationships and human behaviors and human systems.


is there a single poster you dont consider conservative?
Bisoromi Bear .. even tho he has some right wing fulgurances sometimes. Toby is not conservative either, could be a good leftist if he wasn't such a back stabber. Al and Van don't seem to be conservative, confusionnist and liberal/apolitics definitely but not conservatives and the others are not present enough for me to remember their names.

Surprisingly, I think Bob could make a good leftist too.. he notices some stuff. That probably why I don't want to give him up, but for that he would need to accept the fact that he is wrong and that sociology as a real science, which in term would completely change his political vision and would make him understand / put a name on all the problems he is facing.. not an easy task.

I don't really consider you conservative either, just an apolitical migrating between confusionnism and progressist liberalism/rightism.

well you dont have to put all of it in one post. makes it almost as annoying to read as @Bob74h 's posts.
Nah, the other way would create too much span and it would be impossible to keep track of whome I'm talking to. I understand that this is annoying, but this is the only way I have to create contradiction against the nonsense of this thread. I would love for other to take the relay but that's not happening sadly.



now it's a hardcore liberal/leftist world with supporting leftist media like academia,news companies,entertainment media and social media to back up the leftist status quo



the leftist leaders biden and treadeau are pretty much held up by it's propganda wing ie news,academia and so on
What is funny is that before I started to speak about the liberal and capitalist status co of system of power in our societies.. Bob never used the word "status co" in this thread. And now he is using that in the majority of his post.

Somehow it feels like I made an impact and that he understood something... but went toward the wrong conclusion

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Zemmi

GodMommie
what happened to america



and the west




they went from conservative countries to far leftist ones



with conservative leaders like roy harper and ronald reagan



now it's a hardcore liberal/leftist world with supporting leftist media like academia,news companies,entertainment media and social media to back up the leftist status quo



the leftist leaders biden and treadeau are pretty much held up by it's propganda wing ie news,academia and so on



with how deep the leftist system goes, is it really possible to ever get a conservative leader again????
At least in the US, I think we will have a conservative leader again because it always seems to be a back-and-forth. For now, we have freedom of speech and the fact that Ben Shapiro and Tom Macdonald will have a #1 on the Billboards chart in the upcoming one (most likely) meaning people are trying to give other thoughts a listen and want to pull off the biggest music industry troll ever. Also, many people are either changing their tune on Trump like Snoop saying he has nothing love and respect for him. The Rock giving him credit for bringing in crowds. You also have celebrities who still don't like Trump but said they will vote for him over Biden.

Then I heard one rapper got Trump's mug shot tattooed on his thigh. That's just crazy.

It will be interesting to see how this years elections will go. I don't know if Trump will win, but I think he has a fair chance.
 
I actually liked Peterson Jordan for a moment but that’s only because he quoted some cool philosophers and had defended free speech. Afterward, he kept going downhill toward the bottom of the sea.


dont really see the big deal



he's just a conservative pundit


if anything it was a change of pace due to how liberal/leftist the general status quo of the west


canada is still very much still a leftist nation so not much changed as of result of peterson's efforts


if anything, the system has doubled down on it's leftist takes due to the online right wing movement challenging the more traditional channels which are entirely aligned with the left
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Salute to minorities, scientist, women and the working classes of the future united states of America.

You all shall be avenged.


conservatives have barely any power right now in the more traditional stations of power


so unlikely any change in the political situation for now


most opposition to the left comes from randoms online with no power anyway


it's going to be smooth sailing for the left



another 80 years of treadeau for my country


and probably some mix of different leftist presidents in the following elections


if the right does win, then the entire academia,news company and social media will do anything in their power to delegitimize such a candidate such as what was done with trump


so pretty much, even if the right wing wins


the left would have too much systematic power to really allow any effective right wing government to run smoothly
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Salute to minorities, scientist, women and the working classes of the future united states of America.

You all shall be avenged.


conservatives have barely any power right now in the more traditional stations of power


so unlikely any change in the political situation for now


most opposition to the left comes from randoms online with no power anyway


it's going to be smooth sailing for the left



another 80 years of treadeau for my country


and probably some mix of different leftist presidents in the following elections


if the right does win, then the entire academia,news company and social media will do anything in their power to delegitimize such a candidate such as what was done with trump


so pretty much, even if the right wing wins


the left would have too much systematic power to really allow any effective right wing government to run smoothly
 
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I'm a woman and I lived my best life under Trump. My children did too.
Some germans were also living well under National socialism. Living well under a toxic leadership is not a testimony of the virtue of said leadership.

See more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias


how liberal/leftist the general status quo of the west
Still not a leftist status co.


conservatives have barely any power right now in the more traditional stations of power
Not really no.


so unlikely any change in the political situation for now
If we keep the far right out of office, yes.

it's going to be smooth sailing for the left
Then why is Bernie not in power and there is a liberal instead ?

Also you still didn't answer my question:

If feminist are the status co, why are feminist fighting the system to give women more right and priviledges ?

if the right does win
The right is already in power, its called "liberals."
 
Hep Einstein. Your article doesn't mention simple right wing content but far right ones.

same difference


far right is generally used as a shaming term for typically just everyday conservative pundits say peterson,sharpiro and so on



dont buy into your narrative of the world being ran by bunch of extreme right wing nazi's


it's pretty lol worthy when the leaders of the west are both self proclaimed femminists


ig you can accuse them as lying for no good reason but with you wanting that kinda robin hood status of the lowly commoner helping the opressed against the rich kings



you pretty much have active motive for them not being honest not sure why they would go on this elaborate scheme to trick everyone that they are really left wing


ig the propaganda wings of their governments are also all lying for no good reason


if you have to baselessly assert everyone is lying then it's likely you who is the liar not them besides the liberal party is the left party for politics so them having left wing social stances is pretty much a given if you follow any degree of logic
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Biden and Trudeau are not leftist mate. Once again you are repeating nonsence. And no, they do not have the same politic as us.


same general ideas and social positions



it's pretty well the same



black rights


women rights

lgbtq


abortion


not going to name every position ever



really the only difference is that one would have shareholders and some degree of professionalism where your not bound by anything cause your a random dude on some equally random ass forum
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Biden and Trudeau are not leftist mate. Once again you are repeating nonsence. And no, they do not have the same politic as us.


same general ideas and social positions



it's pretty well the same



black rights


women rights

lgbtq


abortion


not going to name every position ever



really the only difference is that one would have shareholders and some degree of professionalism where your not bound by anything cause your a random dude on some equally random ass forum
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Biden and Trudeau are not leftist mate. Once again you are repeating nonsence. And no, they do not have the same politic as us.


same general ideas and social positions



it's pretty well the same



black rights


women rights

lgbtq


abortion


not going to name every position ever



really the only difference is that one would have shareholders and some degree of professionalism where your not bound by anything cause your a random dude on some equally random ass forum
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outside of fox news


can you cite any major right leaning organization or compnay



most of them lean left or are liberal if term makes you feel better


hate that your so autistic about terms


if x person holds x set of positions be it pro abortion,femminsm,blm or whatever


that's what defines you being right wing or left



there's two parties, one made for the conservatives and the other for liberals/leftists



i get you use liberal as right wing but liberal is often used to mean left wing and to contrast with conservative meaning right wing


examples include
https://www.diffen.com/difference/C...he importance,intervention to sever that link.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...nd-conservatives-may-boil-down-to-one-belief/

https://wp.lps.org/tnettle/files/2013/12/Liberal-vs-Conservative.pdf


https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/


https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/00/11/26/specials/schlesinger-debate.html


if treadeau holds the left wing takes then he's left wing



it sounds pretty simple but it's pretty much how it works in practice
 
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Zemmi

GodMommie
I wonder who will be Trump's running mate. I'm thinking either Ben Carson or Tim Scott. Both are exceptionally smart men. I really would like it to be Ben Carson just because I love his come-up story.
 
Indeed, I'm not and I'm real.


jesus


figurative usage


robin hood like the commoner who helps the poor by attacking the rich


you wanna embody that whilie at the same time pretty much holding the exact poltics of the monarchy
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Somehow it feels like I made an impact and that he understood something... but went toward the wrong conclusion


is the misunderstanding in your mind that said groups are leftist or that they status quo


if the former how are world leaders anything but status quo


and tbh pretty sure my take always was the cnn,facebook and the what not were the ruling structures
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Your sentence doesn't make sence, not literally and politically.


im saying im opposed to teaching woke,sjw or leftism to kids


or whatever you call the ideology



Your article is literally explaining how facebook is allowing conservatives to flourish and prevent leftist pages from being created.. Not really the leftist status co here Einstein.

same source said he feared them with others saying right wing people were banned
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/02/facebook-bans-far-right-alex-jones-1299247
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/facebook-faith-goldy-ban-alt-right-1.5088827

the idea, he's on the right is nuts


he actively censors the right
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Your sentence doesn't make sence, not literally and politically.


im saying im opposed to teaching woke,sjw or leftism to kids


or whatever you call the ideology



Your article is literally explaining how facebook is allowing conservatives to flourish and prevent leftist pages from being created.. Not really the leftist status co here Einstein.

same source said he feared them with others saying right wing people were banned
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/02/facebook-bans-far-right-alex-jones-1299247
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/facebook-faith-goldy-ban-alt-right-1.5088827

the idea, he's on the right is nuts


he actively censors the right
 
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I don't think he knows how to post. It looks like he is attempting to quote multiple things. I don't u nderstand all the spaces.
No,he writes like that for some reason. Even when its just rants aimed at nobody he still uses that style.
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Holy bunny what happened with nameless? His anxiety and hostility went up 200% since yesterday
:ohreally:
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I don't remember calling you that.

Admitting that you are wrong is like riding a bike without training wheels. It will be hard at first and you will fall... but the more you will do it, the better you will be at it and the better it will make you feel.

At my point, after all those years of questionning myself over and over again. Moments where I'm noticing that I'm wrong are blissful ! Simply because I love evolving and those moments are becoming too rare.
Great.
 
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what happened to america



and the west




they went from conservative countries to far leftist ones



with conservative leaders like roy harper and ronald reagan



now it's a hardcore liberal/leftist world with supporting leftist media like academia,news companies,entertainment media and social media to back up the leftist status quo



the leftist leaders biden and treadeau are pretty much held up by it's propganda wing ie news,academia and so on



with how deep the leftist system goes, is it really possible to ever get a conservative leader again????
America is not far left

The only difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump hates minorities more.
 
You are literally ignoring the fact that dozen of scientist have alarming opinions about Dawkins's vision of science and the new atheism movement.. but hey!!!... Once again.. you are fighting against science and its researchers... Its not like its the first time and I bet that it won't be the last.
Yeah thats once again nice fanfiction bruh.
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The vision of Dawkins and the NA movement about science goes a step further..
Well thats the claim, and you have me scources that make claims, thats it. Its a reach to even call it a movement. Much lesd a belief system lmao.
 
Yeah thats once again nice fanfiction bruh.
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Well thats the claim, and you have me scources that make claims, thats it. Its a reach to even call it a movement. Much lesd a belief system lmao.
What I don't like about dawkins is the same thing I dont like about Bill Maher, their endless contempt and smugness.
 
and the criticism or critical description of the path or values of a person that is precisely the subject of the debate. Here, we are in the secondary case.

We are not debating about the words of Dawkins, not anymore. We are debating about his values and his path in life.
You never argued his words at all, you immediately went for the character, and that in a fallacious dishonest way too.
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In short, you are right wing.
:kayneshrug:

When one don't subscribe to any ideology, it means that one will not follow ethical ideologies. Meaning that one will therefore not fight for those ideologies. In short: One is a rightist.

Its okay to be a right winger.. its not an insult, but its better when you accept yourself as you are.
Nah im not, this is all antilogical drivel.

Again not surprised though
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Being religious doesn't mean that you can't do science.
Not the point at all and i have said as much in the past lmao
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Because the belief that science can fix all the problems is not scientific. Its politic.
Thats not what scientism is used to mean, and that wouldnt be even be true for the supposed "new atheists" either. Sam harris of the four horseman is probably the only one claiming science can make statements about morality.
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don't really consider you conservative either, just an apolitical migrating between confusionnism and progressist liberalism/rightism.
Im fairly progressive, unless its about compromising science or basic defitions of words. And i dont like political correctness. Truth > the feelings of strangers.
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Then why is Bernie not in power and there is a liberal instead ?
Because he isnt an establishment politician. They did him dirty two times in a row and he still considers these shits his friends. Too nice a guy for his own good sadly. . .
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black rights


women rights
So, basic human rights?!
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Great thing
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What I don't like about dawkins is the same thing I dont like about Bill Maher, their endless contempt and smugness.
Dont know all that much bou maher. With dawkins it depends on who he is talking to
 
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