Questions & Mysteries Why there are so many Admiral Haters here?
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Yes, because Aokiji is a top tier and Blackbeard had interest in making him an ally. Having an all out fight with an admiral and in the worst case killing him to then give the fruit to some fodder who has yet to master it doesn't seem like the best case scenario. Doesn't change the fact Aokiji is a subordinate.
The admirals are in WCI BM's position now. In WCI, BM was clowned on for the plot, so much so that Oda had to reassure the reader that BM is indeed very powerful and intelligent in an interview. She had all the narrative and portrayal, but no feats to back it up until Wano.
GB was used as a hype tool for Shanks. Kuzan was used as a hype tool for Garp(and got Blue Hole. Best attack in OP). Kizaru is in a plot vacuum playing 2nd fiddle to Saturn. They have the portrayal, narrative and implication, but never the performance to please investors.
GB was used as a hype tool for Shanks. Kuzan was used as a hype tool for Garp(and got Blue Hole. Best attack in OP). Kizaru is in a plot vacuum playing 2nd fiddle to Saturn. They have the portrayal, narrative and implication, but never the performance to please investors.
The admirals always have an in-universe explanation for their poor performances. That's pretty much the main reason there's such a debate in the first place.
-GB was threatened with a fight with the entire RHP and also has to deal with all of Wano.
-Kuzan barely used his fruit and was hesitating("those who hesitate are weak!" narrative)
-Kizaru wasn't trying to fight and was looking for opening to dip and chase Vegapunk. Was also told that certain things cannot become collateral.
-Kizaru was told in Sabody that he had to ease up on his DF power, and had Old Ray running on fumes.
-Was blatantly stated and shown that Fuji and GB couldn't fight properly in Marijoies
Oda always tries to excuse their performances while maintaining their standing with off screen stuff. People are tired of it.
-GB was threatened with a fight with the entire RHP and also has to deal with all of Wano.
-Kuzan barely used his fruit and was hesitating("those who hesitate are weak!" narrative)
-Kizaru wasn't trying to fight and was looking for opening to dip and chase Vegapunk. Was also told that certain things cannot become collateral.
-Kizaru was told in Sabody that he had to ease up on his DF power, and had Old Ray running on fumes.
-Was blatantly stated and shown that Fuji and GB couldn't fight properly in Marijoies
Oda always tries to excuse their performances while maintaining their standing with off screen stuff. People are tired of it.
Kizaru kicks Luffy out of Gear4 with one hit, but fails to damage Franky
What should a sane man believe
Meanwhile, we have a direct statement by Mihawk that his power is not restrained, but you guys been coping about Wista for years lmao
What should a sane man believe
Meanwhile, we have a direct statement by Mihawk that his power is not restrained, but you guys been coping about Wista for years lmao
So he didn’t think to recruit Law, he just tried to kill him while having only half of his crew present and while Law had his whole crew. So seems like Teach valued Kuzan alone > 3 billion Law and his whole crew. Teach even commented on Law being worth 3 billion, but there was no attempt to recruit Law, only to fight him.
Teach also attacked Hancock without fear or question. He even broke through a Navy blockade and Seraphim to get to her, only retreating when Rayleigh showed up. Again, Kuzan looking far stronger than Hancock.
But you guys seriously confuse me with the subordinate argument. Let’s say it was someone stronger than Teach himself, like Kaido, who Teach came across and wanted to recruit. Do you think Teach would just forfeit command of his own crew over to Kaido just because Kaido was stronger than him? No, Teach would’ve remained the captain and would have wanted Kaido as his subordinate. This has literally nothing to do with power levels, Teach isn’t going to give up his own crew for power levels lol.
Plus Kuzan already made an entire career of working under people he is stronger than. Lol
Teach also attacked Hancock without fear or question. He even broke through a Navy blockade and Seraphim to get to her, only retreating when Rayleigh showed up. Again, Kuzan looking far stronger than Hancock.
But you guys seriously confuse me with the subordinate argument. Let’s say it was someone stronger than Teach himself, like Kaido, who Teach came across and wanted to recruit. Do you think Teach would just forfeit command of his own crew over to Kaido just because Kaido was stronger than him? No, Teach would’ve remained the captain and would have wanted Kaido as his subordinate. This has literally nothing to do with power levels, Teach isn’t going to give up his own crew for power levels lol.
Plus Kuzan already made an entire career of working under people he is stronger than. Lol
Personally I am simply Straw hats fan with Luffy , Usopp , Chopper and Zoro being my favorites among them. I like Whitebeard among yonkos and Fujitora among admirals .
When I came here I saw a lot unjustified admirals downplay , so somehow I started defending them and even trolling yonko agenda. Reality is that manga put them on a same level 2 times actually , as strongest opponents pirate king must defeat. Saying Admirals > Yonko or Yonko > Admirals is stupid take because it actually depends on individuals at question.
Those stupid claims that Yonkos have better showings could not be further from truth Akainu has better accomplishments / feats than no Yonko has displayed so far.
1. Akainu is only one that has clear , fair win without outside help against other top tier ( his win over Aokiji )
2. Akainu is only one that gave yonko mortal wounds , he pierced his chest and blow half of his face , unless you have regeneration those are mortal wounds , yes your endurance can help and make you last longer but its just for certain period of time , you are dying from those wounds ( yonkotards crying this is old Whitebeard doesnt change the fact your Yonko never displayed such a feat )
3. Akainu displayed more lethal attack power than some yonkos, he killed Logia user , blew half face of a yonko and against Luffy he almost killed him with one shot , to this day its only attack that managed to gave Luffy permament scar , Kaido hit Luffy literally dozens time even with ACoc and never managed to leave such scar , Big Mom attack power didnt impress too.
Akainu was mvp of paramount war , his actions made sure Navy emerged victorius against world strongest pirates , he accomplished their goal of killing Ace , he blew half face of strongest pirate / man in the world , he destroyed their main ship, he gave navy win against greatest yonko and his crew.
Each Yonko fan have hard time dealing with all this so they start bringing excuses , avoiding facts ect .
When I came here I saw a lot unjustified admirals downplay , so somehow I started defending them and even trolling yonko agenda. Reality is that manga put them on a same level 2 times actually , as strongest opponents pirate king must defeat. Saying Admirals > Yonko or Yonko > Admirals is stupid take because it actually depends on individuals at question.
Those stupid claims that Yonkos have better showings could not be further from truth Akainu has better accomplishments / feats than no Yonko has displayed so far.
1. Akainu is only one that has clear , fair win without outside help against other top tier ( his win over Aokiji )
2. Akainu is only one that gave yonko mortal wounds , he pierced his chest and blow half of his face , unless you have regeneration those are mortal wounds , yes your endurance can help and make you last longer but its just for certain period of time , you are dying from those wounds ( yonkotards crying this is old Whitebeard doesnt change the fact your Yonko never displayed such a feat )
3. Akainu displayed more lethal attack power than some yonkos, he killed Logia user , blew half face of a yonko and against Luffy he almost killed him with one shot , to this day its only attack that managed to gave Luffy permament scar , Kaido hit Luffy literally dozens time even with ACoc and never managed to leave such scar , Big Mom attack power didnt impress too.
Akainu was mvp of paramount war , his actions made sure Navy emerged victorius against world strongest pirates , he accomplished their goal of killing Ace , he blew half face of strongest pirate / man in the world , he destroyed their main ship, he gave navy win against greatest yonko and his crew.
Each Yonko fan have hard time dealing with all this so they start bringing excuses , avoiding facts ect .
Van, I respect you for not taking a side in this argument but there is an objectively correct side.
Kaido is the world's strongest creature
Big Mom fought for days against Kaido and did not lose
Whitebeard was the world's strongest man
Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman and the "Power" of Cross Guild
Shanks is the world's strongest swordsman closest rival
Blackbeard ate at least 2 devil fruits
Luffy awakened the devil fruit of a God
Most yonko, if not all, use conqueror's haki and its advanced form.
Kaido says it himself that haki is what prevails.
Admirals are all creatures and by default, weaker than Kaido and Big Mom.
Admirals are all humans and by default, weaker than Whitebeard.
Some admirals are swordsmen and by default, weaker than Mihawk and Shanks. We saw how Greenbull reacted to Shanks presence.
Admirals are cogs in the machine and are not confirmed to have conqueror's haki. Kizaru is a cog in the machine and conflicted.
Last chapter said that a Buster Call is a tame problem for Nika.
You just can't argue facts.
Kaido is the world's strongest creature
Big Mom fought for days against Kaido and did not lose
Whitebeard was the world's strongest man
Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman and the "Power" of Cross Guild
Shanks is the world's strongest swordsman closest rival
Blackbeard ate at least 2 devil fruits
Luffy awakened the devil fruit of a God
Most yonko, if not all, use conqueror's haki and its advanced form.
Kaido says it himself that haki is what prevails.
Admirals are all creatures and by default, weaker than Kaido and Big Mom.
Admirals are all humans and by default, weaker than Whitebeard.
Some admirals are swordsmen and by default, weaker than Mihawk and Shanks. We saw how Greenbull reacted to Shanks presence.
Admirals are cogs in the machine and are not confirmed to have conqueror's haki. Kizaru is a cog in the machine and conflicted.
Last chapter said that a Buster Call is a tame problem for Nika.
You just can't argue facts.
Yes, because Law is/was a peer to Blackbeard in the race for the One Piece, being captain of a crew of his own and having a Road Poneglyph. On the other hand, he pointed out that Aokiji is essentially "jobless" and apparently even chased.
And even then, of course, pointing out that pirates crew most of the time are partnerships of convenience, so not being afraid of possibly being backstabbed by Aokiji.
And even then, of course, pointing out that pirates crew most of the time are partnerships of convenience, so not being afraid of possibly being backstabbed by Aokiji.
With Ryokugyu and Shanks? Sure.
With Kizaru? Yeah, kind of; let's see.
With Aokiji and Garp? What?
- prime Garp level of punching force, at least kind of;
- all that weak haki nonsense destroyed with a scene like this (https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https://preview.redd.it/pick-your-poison-a-kuzan-has-adv-coc-b-kuzan-has-showed-the-v0-1thlqxzhnrbb1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b292cb507c9c72a1f3dc44eff6912d8d883a5e62)
- still beat Garp without even using Awakeing or some heavy fruit use like PH;
- in all of that, Aokiji was still conflicted lol.
Sure, Garp was stabbed, and if it wasn't it would have been more difficult...but we are talking about fucking Garp lol.
Honestly, aside from agenda there is not a single reason to not be happy about Aokiji vs Garp.
With Kizaru? Yeah, kind of; let's see.
With Aokiji and Garp? What?
- prime Garp level of punching force, at least kind of;
- all that weak haki nonsense destroyed with a scene like this (https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https://preview.redd.it/pick-your-poison-a-kuzan-has-adv-coc-b-kuzan-has-showed-the-v0-1thlqxzhnrbb1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b292cb507c9c72a1f3dc44eff6912d8d883a5e62)
- still beat Garp without even using Awakeing or some heavy fruit use like PH;
- in all of that, Aokiji was still conflicted lol.
Sure, Garp was stabbed, and if it wasn't it would have been more difficult...but we are talking about fucking Garp lol.
Honestly, aside from agenda there is not a single reason to not be happy about Aokiji vs Garp.
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I don't understand your logic.
Admirals being weaker than Kaido is clear, as he is the strongest in the world.
But after his death, there is no clear indication of who was the "second".
And we've seen admiral come out unscathed of 99% of the situations they were involved. Kizaru toe 2 toe with Luffy and standing before him.
White Beard is dead.
Which admiral is a swordman, again? Greenbull had to leave because he CANNOT engage emperors. You guys keep misrepresenting reality, and you talk about facts.
Admirals being weaker than Kaido is clear, as he is the strongest in the world.
But after his death, there is no clear indication of who was the "second".
And we've seen admiral come out unscathed of 99% of the situations they were involved. Kizaru toe 2 toe with Luffy and standing before him.
White Beard is dead.
Which admiral is a swordman, again? Greenbull had to leave because he CANNOT engage emperors. You guys keep misrepresenting reality, and you talk about facts.
