Questions & Mysteries Why there are so many Admiral Haters here?

[Tejas]

Bringing feats where CP0 literally had to hold and restrain Luffy so that Kaido could kill him

And 3 AdmiraLs could not do this to Pre TS nerfed Luffy

 

[Pringles]

I don't understand your logic.
Admirals being weaker than Kaido is clear, as he is the strongest in the world.
But after his death, there is no clear indication of who was the "second".
And we've seen admiral come out unscathed of 99% of the situations they were involved. Kizaru toe 2 toe with Luffy and standing before him.
White Beard is dead.
Which admiral is a swordman, again? Greenbull had to leave because he CANNOT engage emperors. You guys keep misrepresenting reality, and you talk about facts.

You do realize that saying that admirals < yonko does not mean that yonko LOW DIFF them right?

Luffy struggled against Kizaru in Gear 4, he couldn't do shit to him.

He had to switch to Gear 5 to paralyze him.

Of course, it still took an attack weaker than Bajrang Gun to do so but it was still Luffy's peak form.

 

[Dragon777]

The admirals always have an in-universe explanation for their poor performances. That's pretty much the main reason there's such a debate in the first place.

-GB was threatened with a fight with the entire RHP and also has to deal with all of Wano.

-Kuzan barely used his fruit and was hesitating("those who hesitate are weak!" narrative)

-Kizaru wasn't trying to fight and was looking for opening to dip and chase Vegapunk. Was also told that certain things cannot become collateral.

-Kizaru was told in Sabody that he had to ease up on his DF power, and had Old Ray running on fumes.

-Was blatantly stated and shown that Fuji and GB couldn't fight properly in Marijoies

Oda always tries to excuse their performances while maintaining their standing with off screen stuff. People are tired of it.

Definitely.

 

[Djordje]

And 3 AdmiraLs could not do this to Pre TS nerfed Luffy

Of course they couldnt the CP0 guy was not there to hold Luffy.

 

[Pringles]

The victim mentality pioneered by Sanji fans and now rampant throughout the community is hugely unattractive.

On topic, the Admirals- to me, in general a fan of the Marines- have been a massive disappointment in a post Wano world. But only fighting wise.

Character wise, great stuff, although people really need to start accepting that Kizaru has so far shown next to no redeeming features as a person.

These are exactly my thoughts.

I love Kizaru and how Oda is building his character this arc. It's one of the greatest character buildups to me this arc, close to Kuma's.

I'm not disappointed by admirals' performance fighting speaking because that's how they have always been portrayed in my eyes.

The admirals are merely humans and always portrayed weaker than the yonko. They are already the best of the marines and there is nothing wrong in acknowleding that there are stronger characters than them. They are not EOS villains at the end of the day.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

You do realize that saying that admirals < yonko does not mean that yonko LOW DIFF them right?

Luffy struggled against Kizaru in Gear 4, he couldn't do shit to him.

He had to switch to Gear 5 to paralyze him.

Of course, it still took an attack weaker than Bajrang Gun to do so but it was still Luffy's peak form.

I am not even talking about that, you are saying that you writing facts but I was showing you they weren't.

I simply put everyone around the same power level because Goda has never been a good power scaler since always.
Like Lucci neg diffing Luffy in W7 and 12 hours later Luffy destroying Blueno, all Enies Lobby and beating Lucci. (Yeah I know about gears but it was incredibly rushed DBZ level power up)

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Yes, because Law is/was a peer to Blackbeard in the race for the One Piece, being captain of a crew of his own and having a Road Poneglyph. On the other hand, he pointed out that Aokiji is essentially "jobless" and apparently even chased.

So it would appear that you agree that there’s more to this than power levels lol. It’s like you said, Kuzan was unemployed and had no prospects. He didn’t have an organization to lead and wasn’t after OP. So of course him just falling under Teach’s banner just makes sense irrespective of power level, which is exactly how the manga portrayed it.

Why yall see fit to go the extra yard and infer Yonko > Admiral from that scene when if anything Kuzan vs Teach implies the exact opposite is beyond me…

 

[Tejas]

Of course they couldnt the CP0 guy was not there to hold Luffy.

Yes they are far weaker

 

[Pringles]

I am not even talking about that, you are saying that you writing facts but I was showing you they weren't.

I simply put everyone around the same power level because Goda has never been a good power scaler since always.
Like Lucci neg diffing Luffy in W7 and 12 hours later Luffy destroying Blueno, all Enies Lobby and beating Lucci. (Yeah I know about gears but it was incredibly rushed DBZ level power up)

Mihawk >= Shanks > Greenbull/Fujitora

When you realize this, you'll be fine

Luffy defeated Kaido, at the end of the day "JoyBoy is the one who defeats Kaido" so who defeated the world's strongest?

Yet, you'll still keep pushing your nonsense that Luffy = Kizaru.

Come on now.

ONLY JoyBoy could defeat Kaido because he fought as he wished and he could even surpass the world's strongest creature.

The Buster call is a TAME PROBLEM for Nika, which was the last ressort of an ADMIRAL and GOROSEI

Technically speaking, Nika > Buster call > Gorosei/Admiral

 

[Djordje]

Yes they are far weaker

Headcanon never proved in manga in fact so far we only have 3 yonkos being dead and / or defeated Kaido , Big Mom , WHitebeard .

 

[Tejas]

Headcanon never proved in manga in fact so far we only have 3 yonkos being dead and / or defeated Kaido , Big Mom , WHitebeard .

And 3 AdmiraLs got defeated by Yonko

 

[Pringles]

These debates are futile anyway.

It's like explaining to people how the Earth revolves around the Sun and not the other way around.

You can prove it to them by A+B, at the end of the day if people don't want to hear you, they will not.

Should just ignore this whole circus altogether.

 

[Djordje]

And 3 AdmiraLs got defeated by Yonko

Maybe in two piece you are reading

 

[Tejas]

Maybe in two piece you are reading

In One Piece .
Deathbed WB Two shot Akainu
Shanks Paralysed Twerkbull
Fresh Yonko Luffy oneshot Kizaru

 

[Djordje]

In One Piece .
Deathbed WB Two shot Akainu
Shanks Paralysed Twerkbull
Fresh Yonko Luffy oneshot Kizaru

Maybe in yonko stans world where landing a hit/ attack means victory . In reality none of those were actually defeated each one was fine literally without any lasting damage .

But its no surprising this take coming from a clown that thinks " Franky won "

 

[MonsterKaido]

It's goes both ways

Admiral defenders bring up 100 excuses for Kizaru's performance in Egghead while they were the same guys placing Kaidou/BM under a microscope during Onigashima.

What goes around, comes around

This exactly. But unlike admiral fans like dark witch , we don't go creating threads like why yonkos are downplayed or what not. It goes both ways.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

Or the humiliation of:
Being blitzed by Brook twice
Being hurt by Nami
One of the weaker Toni Roppo surviving her strongest attack
Being used as a hype tool for King and Queen who were then used as hype tools for Ryo
Being blocked by Chopper
Ran over by Franky
BFRd by Robin

Like is that the almighty fears the yonko agenda wants?

This wasn't your AdmiraLs fans said about? Was joking around a talking shit from Yonko? Not that your guys get the same treatment, come with this pathetic excuses?

 

[ConquistadoR]

With Aokiji asn Garp? What?

- prime Garp level of punching force, at least kind of;
- all that weak haki nonsense destroyed with a scene like this (https://www.reddit.com/media?url=ht...bp&s=b292cb507c9c72a1f3dc44eff6912d8d883a5e62)
- still beat Garp without even using Awakeing or some heavy fruit use like PH;
- in all of that, Aokiji was still conflicted lol.

Sure, Garp was stabbed, and if it wasn't it would have been more difficult...but we are talking about fucking Garp lol.

Honestly, aside from agenda there is not a single reason to not be happy about Aokiji vs Garp.

Sure, Aokiji having prime Garp-tier punching force is impressive. The only difference is Garp is boosting those punches with CoC while Aokiji is pairing it up with the Ice DF. Atp, i expect every one of the 5 Admirals to have one elite fighting style which they pair up with their powerful fruits.

Still, him getting blitz-ed by an old Garp multiple times doesn't paint a pretty picture.

And again, it's all relative. I'm not saying Admirals are unimpressive in general or that they are "Commander level" or any of that.
But when you compare these showings to someone like Kaidou's... it does look disappointing.

 

[Uncle Van]

Van, I respect you for not taking a side in this argument but there is an objectively correct side.

Kaido is the world's strongest creature
Big Mom fought for days against Kaido and did not lose
Whitebeard was the world's strongest man
Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman and the "Power" of Cross Guild
Shanks is the world's strongest swordsman closest rival
Blackbeard ate at least 2 devil fruits
Luffy awakened the devil fruit of a God

Most yonko, if not all, use conqueror's haki and its advanced form.
Kaido says it himself that haki is what prevails.

Admirals are all creatures and by default, weaker than Kaido and Big Mom.
Admirals are all humans and by default, weaker than Whitebeard.
Some admirals are swordsmen and by default, weaker than Mihawk and Shanks. We saw how Greenbull reacted to Shanks presence.
Admirals are cogs in the machine and are not confirmed to have conqueror's haki. Kizaru is a cog in the machine and conflicted.
Last chapter said that a Buster Call is a tame problem for Nika.

You just can't argue facts.

Tell me this: does stronger=unbeatable? Cause Yonko>Admiral simply means all Yonko are stronger period. Yonko~Admiral means either or can be stronger, like Akainu>Shanks or Kizaru>BM or Kuzan>BB and the like.

Admirals are shown, told and portrayed to be in the same ballpark as the Emperors, as the thought of being able to take either out is veiwed as equally foolish.

And Kaido being the unofficial World's Strongesr Creature makes all Admirals weaker than Big Mom by default? That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Tejas]

Maybe in yonko stans world where landing a hit/ attack means victory . In reality none of those were actually defeated each one was fine literally without any lasting damage .

But its no surprising this take coming from a clown that thinks " Franky won "

Funny how all direct Confrontation between the Yonko and AdmiraLs always look like this