There is, its called self sufficient living, "jobs" should not even be a thing
Yup. I believe Amihad are their names? They live just like that. Nope Amish. I checked. But not a single person. A group. Like a tiny society.

If you want to live on your own that would be like Robison Crusoe life style when he was in that island for 28 years.

Free market=slave trade Always remember. Humans need a certain degree of regulation and rules in society or we just abuse and kill each other over bs reasons
Yeah no dude.

Humans regulate themselves just well. They don't need Estate. In fact Estate was what allowed slavery to happen in most part of our history. And using even using religion to justify. That human regulation you are calling here.
 
Too much gatekeeping and purity testing.
Fair pointas long as you are talking about sub leftist ideas. Leftist inside leftism can indeed be sometimes gatekeepers with others people.

I've seen some leftists rail against free speech
Have you examples ? I've never heard about leftist going after freespeech.

Yeah all those countries cut their funding based on no evidence
Indeed, just like a lot of those country are currently supporting a genocide.. Sometimes countries make mistakes.


Yes but in USA they call liberals the ones of the left
No, they call liberals the one in power. In reality, the left are called "woke" - Liberals =/= woke/leftist.

Sometimes uneducated people about politics will indeed call woke "liberals", but that's an error as leftism fight against liberalism.


they just want to everyone else to change and accept what they believe (the whole gender ideology)
Of course they do, simply because its concern the lives of actual people. Denying the existence and rights of actual people is not an opinion.


libertarian that would be the real warrior of freedom
Not really, because in reality, what liberatarian are people who just consider that their liberty can override the liberty, rights and existence of others.


No they don't. They just follow leaders and do as they said without having a real knowledge of the world. Not surprisingly they are often poor and uneducated.
No mate. Most leftist are highly educated people since most of them follow sciences and researches. Lower class activist are people who know a LOT about society.

What you don't understand is that its the right and your side that is uneducated and ignorant about the world and reality. A simple example is this one: Rightist follow the concept of meritocracy without even understanding that this concept was documented as simply inefficient by social sciences.

And when leftist points that out, those people reject this knowledge by saying that social sciences are full of leftist bias. In short, they can't learn because they think the knowledge is against them.

Therefore, they stay ignorant about the reality world and human behaviors.


If you are not capitalist or communist what you are?
A simple leftist. Most probably a radical socialist. But I'm not a communist and I'll never be a liberal or pro capitalist.


Yes. The ones USA calls liberals aka leftists. Not libertarians like me.
Liberal are entry rightist, libertarian are a bit more rightist than that. Not really conservative but not liberal either. Believing in a system when you should have the liberty to do what you want is believing in a system where you freedom can override the ones and the rights of others. Its completely opposed to leftism but its the logical sequel of liberalism.

Everything is better now. People in the past used to die because of flu, cold. Almost no one dies from it nowadays (just to not say no one since I can't be sure about it).
No. I just proved you that work hours where somewhat better in the past. In reality somethings were better in the past. For example, in hunter gatherer societies, there was probably no such thing as patriarchy and ressources where divided ethically and equally. There was also more liberty and less gender pressure on women as they were also hunter just like men.

This is just an example. Because we are in the future doesn't mean that we will essentially progress toward more progress.

Also check this

The Myth of a Carefree Prehistoric Lifestyle | The New Republic

"Except that’s just the start. As criticism emerged, Lee revisited his math. Recalculating, he offered a slightly higher average: “about 20 hours.” Lee further conceded that “it would be misleading” to use that figure on its own, as it counted only hours spent procuring food (the same is true of Sahlins’s figures). Of course, foragers must do other things to make their living as well: craft tools, butcher meat, grind nuts, draw water. Adding such tasks to the food quest, Lee concluded that Ju/’hoansi foragers had a 42.3-hour workweek, which is longer than the current 35-hour U.S. weekly average for most paid work. "

Also your article is wrong about unions being responsible for the changing in the 14-16 daily work hours we had previously. It was the Ford system that changed that. CAPITALISM. Not fucking union.
For once you are right, I took very little care in checking the source and the informations provided in the article were biased and missleading. But what you don't understand is that those hours if - granted - missrepresented by the article were in fact a lot less invasive than what we have here. Because what you forget to add is all the hours of domestic chores that were added in that count but not added the the count of the average american working hours. In reality, we do a LOT more that just 42.3 hours workweek.

This doesn't really change my point and my previous one. Things were not worse in the past. We can still take lesson from the past (as long as we do a good job at it) and future is not necessaraly syonymous of progress.


YES! Because of fucking TECHNOLOGY nothing else
No. Not only because of technology. Also because of a better system and a better redistribution of ressources.

If people stop to regulate fucking AI and going against with making unrational fear of it through society we could get there much quicker.
AI are literally stealing people works right now. Sometimes even literally (for artists). So yes, we F*xking NEED to regulate AI and prohibit unethical usage. Not regulating AI is accepting unethical practices. The development of AI doesn't mean that we must let it lose without regulation Einstein.


The best system is freedom.
Wrong. The best system will be based on solidarity. Simply because that what the human species is, a social specie. If you want freedom, go in a sahara oasis an try to create your own society there, but careful, you won't go far on your own.


capitalists being a bunch of heartless that couldn't care less about human beings are totally wrong
Wrong. Its not about capitalist being hearthless or inhuman. Its about capitalist and liberal acting on their own interest. Billionnaire don't donate because they want to help people first. Billionnaire donate because its benefit them on taxes. If Billionnaire were really acting for others, they would donate and redistribute the quasi totality of their wealth.

A world where Billionaires and millionnaire exist while people can't eat or have a roof, is not a just, good or ethical world.


It's like when C4N makes his absurd claims, worth nothing.
Bad example.. I always provide sources, most of the time scientific. They can be debatable, granted like that last one, but not providing evidences is not a trial you can put me into.
 
Lol what?
You know how much money USA send to israel every year?
Israel amd USA are their own best allies.
And USA rules NATO.
And again, you did not answer the question. Where is the evidence?
All I'm saying is that is different from USA making an argument and Israel making and argument.

Countries are investigating the allegations. So far we only know of US officials taking a look without deeper investigation to confirm but saying it is highly credible. Soon we will have all evidences.

Yall love to choose the wrong side. Also all the international aid to people on Gaza is going to Hamas and not the people.

 
All I'm saying is that is different from USA making an argument and Israel making and argument.

Countries are investigating the allegations. So far we only know of US officials taking a look without deeper investigation to confirm but saying it is highly credible. Soon we will have all evidences.

Yall love to choose the wrong side. Also all the international aid to people on Gaza is going to Hamas and not the people.
When a country's executive explains that it is normal and necessary to starve and prevent medical care to the population of another nation, then NO, the argument of said countries that the organization trying to feed and take care of the population is completely corrupted is NOT credible you genocide denier.
 
Indeed, just like a lot of those country are currently supporting a genocide.. Sometimes countries make mistakes.
Yeah. And Mr Woke is the right one support terrorism.


No, they call liberals the one in power. In reality, the left are called "woke" - Liberals =/= woke/leftist.

Sometimes uneducated people about politics will indeed call woke "liberals", but that's an error as leftism fight against liberalism.
Nope. It is common sense that they call woke or leftists as liberals in US. Everyone does that. No the uneducated that you call aka the ones who disagree with you.


Of course they do, simply because its concern the lives of actual people. Denying the existence and rights of actual people is not an opinion.
No. I don't have to accept and call someone that born as a man as woman. He will never be a woman and should never be in the same sport as woman do. No one will die because of it. Even LGBT community is against it. Liberals like you are in a tiny bubble making noisy thinking you are the enlighten of the whole world and everyone should bow to your ideas.


Not really, because in reality, what liberatarian are people who just consider that their liberty can override the liberty, rights and existence of others.
There we go. Uneducated. There is no way someone's liberty to override another's. This is just illogical.
 
Yeah. And Mr Woke is the right one support terrorism.
No one is supporting terrorism beside terrorist and integrist mate. Relax and take a cookie.


It is common sense that they call woke or leftists as liberals in US
And its a huge political error. An error that is helping the far right like yourself to deliver its narrative. In reality leftists are against liberalism. Anyone with a gram of political awareness understands that.


No the uneducated that you call aka the ones who disagree with you.
When someone refuses to check scientific researches. I consider them as ignorant people.


No. I don't have to accept and call someone that born as a man as woman.
Then you are denying and promoting the denial of the existence of other people, which is not an opinion, but something that must be stopped. Sorry, but you will find us on your way mate.


He will never be a woman and should never be in the same sport as woman do. No one will die because of it
Transwomen are women. Keep your transphobia for yourself.


Not a liberal, I'm against liberal. But you are definitely a far rightist and a genocide denyer. (and ignorant about the reality of the world, but that comes with the package)

There is no way someone's liberty to override another's.
When you are denying the identity of other, you are promoting an idea that is undangering the lives of other people, ergo, you are overrriding their rights, existence and liberty.


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No it is capitalism but a corrupted version of it. Quit crying about how ppl describe things.
It’s so obvious you just don’t like the woke shit. That’s the main thing that bothers you lmao.
Have you examples ? I've never heard about leftist going after freespeech
Many antifascist groups (antifa as avarage Americans refer to these groups) are vociferously authoritarian and anti free speech.
 
These guys don't understand what the system is in the first place. They've been brain washed into thinking corporations (which are the basis for capitalism itself) are somehow socialist cabals.
What makes it so sad is that they hate the system but also play into the system's hands because they don't understand the system and everyone who tries to open their eyes is fake news to them. In all seriousness, folks like these guys tend to have great fighting spirit and could be useful at changing the system but their ignorance and narrow minded approach to literally everything in life not only renders them useless, it makes them their own worst enemy. They support policies that will harm them in the long run and then they complain why everything sucks and blame those whom they consider the enemy.
It's so tragic with these guys.
 
Yup. I believe Amihad are their names? They live just like that. Nope Amish. I checked. But not a single person. A group. Like a tiny society.


If you want to live on your own that would be like Robison Crusoe life style when he was in that island for 28 years.
Maybe I wasn't precise enough, I wasn't talking about individuals living on deserted islands, I did mean societies. In a self sufficient society with relatively flat hierarchy there are no "jobs" in the modern sense

No it is capitalism but a corrupted version of it. Quit crying about how ppl describe things.
Ppl can't go take existing words and redefine them as they please. I get it you want to be independent and not have authorities dictate your life but you fell into a trap here. This hyper emotionalism is not going to help you in any way. You're always on edge.

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gonna take this out of context and say, a world where everyone is self sufficient is just fantasy unless everyone starts living alone
Read my clarification :

Maybe I wasn't precise enough, I wasn't talking about individuals living on deserted islands, I did mean societies. In a self sufficient society with relatively flat hierarchy there are no "jobs" in the modern sense
 
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