Chapter Discussion Why Zoro went from 3 swords with advcoc to 2 swords and no advcoc
- Thread starter Sheer D. Lusion
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Let's just make a side by side comparison. How does this:
Look the exact same as this:
Like, you gotta be trolling because there's no way
Look the exact same as this:
Like, you gotta be trolling because there's no way
Except the lightning, but the lightning comes and goes as we literally saw multiple times against King
in 1093 we saw zoro fighting lucci with 3 swords and advcoc
this time he only has two swords and no advcoc effects
there is no logic to go from a stronger form to a weaker against an enemy he is trying to defeat so the only explanation is the fight was taking longer he expected and he was forced to stop using enma or he would empty his haki
this time he only has two swords and no advcoc effects
there is no logic to go from a stronger form to a weaker against an enemy he is trying to defeat so the only explanation is the fight was taking longer he expected and he was forced to stop using enma or he would empty his haki
in 1093 we saw zoro fighting lucci with 3 swords and advcoc
this time he only has two swords and no advcoc effects
there is no logic to go from a stronger form to a weaker against an enemy he is trying to defeat so the only explanation is the fight was taking longer he expected and he was forced to stop using enma or he would empty his haki
this time he only has two swords and no advcoc effects
there is no logic to go from a stronger form to a weaker against an enemy he is trying to defeat so the only explanation is the fight was taking longer he expected and he was forced to stop using enma or he would empty his haki
it didn't work
he is out of energy
Yes, that's what KOH is, it's Zoro releasing all his CoA, just like Gear 4
Enma is King of Hell in Buddhist Mythology
While CoC, it can either be used in Normal Amount or also released in Full
Average CoA and/or Average CoC Usage = Three-Sword Style Rengoku Oni Giri (An Example)
If it's Max CoA Usage (Green Smoke), then you add "King of Hell" to Name of Technique
If it's Max CoC Usage (Very Long CoC Trails), then you change Sword into Dragon/Serpent, becoming Three-Dragons Style
So if Zoro is using Normal Amount of CoA or CoC, Name of his Attacks won't Change
But if He uses Max CoA and/or Max CoC, He adds "King of Hell" and/or "Dragon/Serpent Style"
Enma is King of Hell in Buddhist Mythology
While CoC, it can either be used in Normal Amount or also released in Full
Average CoA and/or Average CoC Usage = Three-Sword Style Rengoku Oni Giri (An Example)
If it's Max CoA Usage (Green Smoke), then you add "King of Hell" to Name of Technique
If it's Max CoC Usage (Very Long CoC Trails), then you change Sword into Dragon/Serpent, becoming Three-Dragons Style
So if Zoro is using Normal Amount of CoA or CoC, Name of his Attacks won't Change
But if He uses Max CoA and/or Max CoC, He adds "King of Hell" and/or "Dragon/Serpent Style"
I only see him raised his base/ casual state.
If enemy uses basic/minimum CoA, Can Zoro takes on Him without CoA? If he Can, then it is enough
If enemy uses Strong / Armament CoA, Can Zoro takes on Him with basic CoA? If he Can, then it is enough
If enemy uses Advance CoA, Can Zoro takes on Him strong/ Armament CoA? If he Can, then it is enough
Basically, Zoro only use 3-dot Sharingan No Genjutsu to Counter Mangekyou Sharingan no Tsukuyomi.
Zoro just stay low, until...we Can compare him to Emotionless-Casual-Base-Mihawk without even taking damage againts Vista, although didnt give damage to Vista.
If enemy uses basic/minimum CoA, Can Zoro takes on Him without CoA? If he Can, then it is enough
If enemy uses Strong / Armament CoA, Can Zoro takes on Him with basic CoA? If he Can, then it is enough
If enemy uses Advance CoA, Can Zoro takes on Him strong/ Armament CoA? If he Can, then it is enough
Basically, Zoro only use 3-dot Sharingan No Genjutsu to Counter Mangekyou Sharingan no Tsukuyomi.
Zoro just stay low, until...we Can compare him to Emotionless-Casual-Base-Mihawk without even taking damage againts Vista, although didnt give damage to Vista.
It's the plot fight meant to separate zoro and Lucci from the main fight. For whatever reason oda doesn't want them there. Zoro started with just coa 2 sword style then when we cut back he was using no haki vs Lucci. Then he uses koh and we cut away. We get back and it's coa 2 sword style again. Oda is clearly limiting the fight and not trying to end it.
Imo we are probably going to get a "zoro was practicing his new abilities " excuse for why he keeps depowering himself nor trying to end the fight as quick as possible.
Imo we are probably going to get a "zoro was practicing his new abilities " excuse for why he keeps depowering himself nor trying to end the fight as quick as possible.
I disagree about G4 releasing CoA, it is a completely different thing.
KOH is "steaming" haki due to Ryo overflow. G4 Luffy didnt even know Ryo overflow until Wano.
He is steaming for different reasons, just like he is steaming in G2.
What Zoro was using vs Lucci isnt KOH because it has no CoC, the small sparks are CoA, not the first time for them to show up.
The green smoke is the new standard of Ryo release that makes Enma satisfied. However, that is not the King of Hell.
Because, whenever King of Hell was named, DD and Oni Giri, it was both CoA+CoC at maximum release.
We can see plenty of scenes of Zoro vs King clashing with green smoke but none of that is KOH. Just Ryo overflow.
We saw a maximum of Ryo during Hiryu Kaen, it has nothing to do with KOH.
KOH is "steaming" haki due to Ryo overflow. G4 Luffy didnt even know Ryo overflow until Wano.
He is steaming for different reasons, just like he is steaming in G2.
What Zoro was using vs Lucci isnt KOH because it has no CoC, the small sparks are CoA, not the first time for them to show up.
The green smoke is the new standard of Ryo release that makes Enma satisfied. However, that is not the King of Hell.
Because, whenever King of Hell was named, DD and Oni Giri, it was both CoA+CoC at maximum release.
We can see plenty of scenes of Zoro vs King clashing with green smoke but none of that is KOH. Just Ryo overflow.
We saw a maximum of Ryo during Hiryu Kaen, it has nothing to do with KOH.
Where do you get this nonsense from?. Auden and Enma didn't know about acoc until they were 30 years old. Enma only needs a large amount of coa. The ode to the audience visually separated acoc and ryoo.(smoke). Zoro can use ryoo and acoc separately from each other. Zoro has never used acoc in a battle with Lucci.
When Zoro used Final Attack against King which Showed Long CoC Trails, He changed Name of his Sword-Style to "Dragon/Serpent-Style"
While previously, even though He was using CoC, his Sword-Style's Name didn't Change
Meaning there are "Two Levels" to his CoC
Average Usage + Max Usage
And the same goes for CoA, Zoro have Average Usage and Max Usage (Green Smoke)
We know for certain that when Zoro doesn't use Max CoA Usage, He doesn't change Name of his Attacks
And We know for certain that when Zoro unleashes Max CoC, He does change Name of his Attack (Dragon-Style)
So it's simple, the Logical Conclusion is that Zoro doesn't change Name of his Attacks when using Average Amount of Haki, regardless if it's CoA or CoC, but when using Max Power, He does
No CoA + No CoC
CoA Coating + No CoC
No CoA + CoC Coating
CoA Coating + CoC Coating
In all of these Four Cases, Zoro's Attacks keep their Original Name
But
Max CoA (Green Smoke) ---> Adds "King of Hell" before Name of Attack
Max CoC (Extra Long Trails) ---> Changes "Sword-Style" to "Dragon-Style"
You can try it on King Fight, The Names still Match
While previously, even though He was using CoC, his Sword-Style's Name didn't Change
Meaning there are "Two Levels" to his CoC
Average Usage + Max Usage
And the same goes for CoA, Zoro have Average Usage and Max Usage (Green Smoke)
We know for certain that when Zoro doesn't use Max CoA Usage, He doesn't change Name of his Attacks
And We know for certain that when Zoro unleashes Max CoC, He does change Name of his Attack (Dragon-Style)
So it's simple, the Logical Conclusion is that Zoro doesn't change Name of his Attacks when using Average Amount of Haki, regardless if it's CoA or CoC, but when using Max Power, He does
No CoA + No CoC
CoA Coating + No CoC
No CoA + CoC Coating
CoA Coating + CoC Coating
In all of these Four Cases, Zoro's Attacks keep their Original Name
But
Max CoA (Green Smoke) ---> Adds "King of Hell" before Name of Attack
Max CoC (Extra Long Trails) ---> Changes "Sword-Style" to "Dragon-Style"
You can try it on King Fight, The Names still Match