General & Others With last chapter, can we say Blackbeard is final villain ?

[Paperchampion23]

We’re talking about her because you used the argument that he is fighting Shanks personally for sure since he said he’ll crush all four Yonko, which simply isn’t true.



He played a great role in clowning WCI, but ultimately they would be fine as long as Big Mom was. Big Mom was defeated by Luffy’s allies.

Yes, Shanks is way more important, and Luffy doesn’t wanna see him until he too is a great pirate. That doesn’t mean they’ll go crazy against each other, Luffy only ever fights his friends when he has to, and Shanks is on the literal top of the friend pyramid.

He singles out Shanks in that statement lol, not Big Mom. It doesnt matter if he "crushes all 4 Yonko" or not. its the fact that Shanks has far more narrative importance to the story than she ever did. My response to you initially was that you said Luffy would never want to harm or fight Shanks. That is, in fact, not true at all, as ive shown you in that example.


Im afraid you are assuming way too much about their relationship that frankly we dont know much of. Luffy was ready to fight his own brother when the time came to claim One Piece, this was stated back in Alabasta when they met. Garp beat the shit out of him and his brothers when they were younger. He's flat out decked Koby, a friend of his, during a war. He's been in fights with Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe, and Usopp at different points in the story over moral issues.

I mean just look at my PFP lol, look into Shanks' eyes when he says Luffy's name after learning what he did? Do you really think his intention with Luffy is a "congrats you did it!"?

If you really think that, then we just have MASSIVE differences in opinion and wont convince each other otherwise.

 

[Reborn]

We’re talking about her because you used the argument that he is fighting Shanks personally for sure since he said he’ll crush all four Yonko, which simply isn’t true.

He played a great role in clowning WCI, but ultimately they would be fine as long as Big Mom was. Big Mom was defeated by Luffy’s allies.

Yes, Shanks is way more important, and Luffy doesn’t wanna see him until he too is a great pirate. That doesn’t mean they’ll go crazy against each other, Luffy only ever fights his friends when he has to, and Shanks is on the literal top of the friend pyramid.

Finally, a shanks fan who makes sense lol

 

[GeneralP123]

You can still invest in BB stocks before he kills Shanks, it's coming soon tho. You can also invest before he gets his third fruit which is even better.

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First I want to make it clear to those who thinks BB is all about PK race...no he isn't.


1) BB - Caribou plot - BB will get hands to one ancient weapon atleast. This puts him on par with WG and Luffy.

I don't know why people thinks this ancient weapon plot hold relevance in fight at laugh tale when no other yonkou tried to get it.

This AW plot has to be used against WG.

2)BB - Vivi - Shirahoshi - Luffy

All 4 were marked by ImU and all have links with void century..

Blackbeard will be like those 3

Vivi - is a D
Shirahoshi is a weapon
Luffy - a D

They all have role against WG and Blackbeard will have it as well.


3)Dream

Anyone who keeps on bringing WB panels literally overlooks that just after wano oda made Luffy declare that he has another dream.


And, Blackbeard has now too...The World.


4) Xebec - BB

Xebec had similar dreams and he opened hostilities against WG.

This clearly implies that BB will go against WG as well.

5) Luffy - BB parallel


Needless to say these two parallel each other in all sense.

Heck, oda just said, BB pirates hasn't mastered their DFS which indicates they have yet to grow to their full potential just like SHs

Even their fanboys share parallels.

These two would be ultimate dogs in the end.


6) Saturn copy and special lineage...

They literally copied Saturn. How copying Saturn will be important in PK race? No it will be catalyst in bringing WG down.

Just connect the dots 🤦

It's clear as day that oda has role planned for BB in bringing WG down. He will be the trouble maker.

Now BB can fall before WG but can still play role in taking WG down (doesn't make sense right) or BB is the FV who will rise to the throne after WG goes down and then set up the ultimate one vs one between SHs and BBP.



But it's clear, laugh tale is stepping stone for both Luffy and BB and both will play role against WG
.

Years ago my main focus was on Teach stacking up multiple fruits, but now I realize that he's going to be top 1 in the verse when it comes to super weapons as well.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Finally, a shanks fan who makes sense lol

Or maybe you are just being an unreasonable Blackbeard fan with delusions of grandeur about what you think Blackbeard "needs" to do to Shanks.

This shit works both ways man.

 

[Reborn]

Or maybe you are just being an unreasonable Blackbeard fan with delusions of grandeur about what you think Blackbeard "needs" to do to Shanks.

This shit works both ways man.

Well what I think is literally being indicated in the manga.


Don't think Shanks will die or something but shanks Vs BB will happen and this fight has more basis in the manga than whatever you have argued to push the narrative of "Shanks vs luffy" to feed your head cannon

 

[GeneralP123]

No, Oda already had Whitebeard tell us that the One Piece will be found then a Great War the World Government fears will happen.

Teach ambushed Law & formally removed him from the race to be the pirate king, Teach has Pudding to read the Rubbings, Teach has been after the Man with the Burned Scar for a year now.

Everything about his recent goals has been setting him up for the pirate king race. A race he will lose to Luffy.

That's your interpretation though, the great war Whitebeard mentioned might've been referring to the final push towards the One Piece.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Well what I think is literally being indicated in the manga.


Don't think Shanks will die or something but shanks Vs BB will happen and this fight has more basis in the manga than whatever you have argued to push the narrative of "Shanks vs luffy" to feed your head cannon

I have never stated Shanks wont fight Blackbeard lol. I said he wont lose to Blackbeard. Ive said all 3 will fight each other.

Thats the difference between our viewpoints.

 

[Reborn]

I have never stated Shanks wont fight Blackbeard lol. I said he wont lose to Blackbeard. Ive said all 3 will fight each other.

Thats the difference between our viewpoints.

Shanks ain't fighting luffy seriously.


Even if I consider whatever you said about shanks having ulterior motives but it still don't change the fact that Shanks crew literally sees Luffy as brother and then we have father - son relation between Yasoop and Usopp.

You highlight how shanks declares he will go after one piece....his eyes


But then overlook that while he was doing so, his crew was celebrating Luffy's victory and was eager to meet him.



This isn't just about captains but the crew as well.

And, it's BBP who goes against RHP and SHP with no animosity between RHP and SHP

 

[GeneralP123]

Shanks ain't fighting luffy seriously.


Even if I consider whatever you said about shanks having ulterior motives but it still don't change the fact that Shanks crew literally sees Luffy as brother and then we have father - son relation between Yasoop and Usopp.

You highlight how shanks declares he will go after one piece....his eyes


But then overlook that while he was doing so, his crew was celebrating Luffy's victory and was eager to meet him.



This isn't just about captains but the crew as well.

And, it's BBP who goes against RHP and SHP with no animosity between RHP and SHP

It would be very weird if Shanks suddenly wanted a deathmatch with the guy he gave his arm up for. Luckily, we don't have to think about nonsense like that because Shanks is Teach's opponent anyway.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Shanks ain't fighting luffy seriously.

Except the opposite is the implication from both Shanks and Luffy lol.

Good night!

 

[Reborn]

It would be very weird if Shanks suddenly wanted a deathmatch with the guy he gave his arm up for. Luckily, we don't have to think about nonsense like that because Shanks is Teach's opponent anyway.

Yeah!


Man gave up his arm and feels proud and no regret that he waged on new era


Went to MF to get Ace bodies and help Sh escape

Went to wano to protect SH and declare his victory as Dawn of new era



But but...shanks will fight luffy 🤦

Except the opposite is the implication from both Shanks and Luffy lol.

Good night!

That implication which most fans can't see but only some of shanks fans? Lol

RHP - BBP - SHP mirrors each other when it comes to structure.

Until you show me the animosity between RHP and SHP your arguments are just headcannon

Because this isn't just about captains but about the crew as a whole and you have nothing indicating that oda is building RHP - SHP as opponents


Good night


May you see RHp vs SHP in dreams because it ain't happening for real

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

No
it just means his goal is grander than the pk like xebec

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

No, you can’t compare Luffy and Shanks to the likes of Whitebeard-Roger and Mihawk-Shanks, who are in fact friendly rivals.

Luffy is not going to ever attack the man who gave his arm to save his life.

He will easily prove his crew surpassed the RHP by actually becoming pirate king and attaining One Piece.

That might be the case, if it wasn't for one small detail. They are Pirates who have honor and fight for their dreams. Do you think if it came down to a battle to become the next Pirate King, that Luffy and Shanks would settle it with a footrace? Whoever reaches the One Piece first. gets to keep it? That is not how that would go down. They know the weight of what it means to achieve the Pirate King title, and they wouldn't sully it like that.

 

[Paperchampion23]

It would be very weird if Shanks suddenly wanted a deathmatch with the guy he gave his arm up for. Luckily, we don't have to think about nonsense like that because Shanks is Teach's opponent anyway.

They are pirates lol, they fight. This is what Luffy said to Ace when they met:

Shanks had zero qualms caring about Kid's health from Wano until he heard he was recovered, then completely just decimates him and his crew with zero remorse lol (yes, even if he was being aggressive).

Pirates are pirates. Saving a kids life and giving him a fruit knowingly (what 1054 flat put implies) does not mean he does not have ulterior motives for said kid or wont fight him as a pirate.

Yeah!


Man gave up his arm and feels proud and no regret that he waged on new era


Went to MF to get Ace bodies and help Sh escape

Went to wano to protect SH and declare his victory as Dawn of new era



But but...shanks will fight luffy 🤦


That implication which most fans can't see but only some of shanks fans? Lol

RHP - BBP - SHP mirrors each other when it comes to structure.

Until you show me the animosity between RHP and SHP your arguments are just headcannon

Because this isn't just about captains but about the crew as a whole and you have nothing indicating that oda is building RHP - SHP as opponents


Good night


May you see RHp vs SHP in dreams because it ain't happening for real

You baselessly claiming only a small percentage see it doesnt really change anything lol. Luffy flat out says he wants to fight Shanks in the story. You and anyone else ignoring the statement made the MC written by Oda isnt my problem, no matter how much the Big Mom argument gets paraded like she has any equatable importance to Luffy over Shanks.

 

[Reborn]

They are pirates lol, they fight. This is what Luffy said to Ace when they met:

Shanks had zero qualms caring about Kid's health from Wano until he heard he was recovered, then completely just decimates him and his crew with zero remorse lol (yes, even if he was being aggressive).

Pirates are pirates. Saving a kids life and giving him a fruit knowingly (what 1054 flat put implies) does not mean he does not have ulterior motives for said kid or wont fight him as a pirate.



You baselessly claiming only a small percentage see it doesnt really change anything lol. Luffy flat out says he wants to fight Shanks in the story. You and anyone else ignoring the statement made the MC written by Oda isnt my problem, no matter how much the Big Mom argument gets paraded like she has any equatable importance to Luffy over Shanks.

So you have no nothing to counter no animosity build up between RHP - SHP ? Gotcha

And, luffy declaring he will fight shanks doesn't imply they have to fight seriously like how SHP vs Beast pirates did.

It could just be a clash between Luffy and shanks and that's all.

And, definitely no battle royale between RHP - BBP - ShP this is just absurd

 

[Paperchampion23]

So you have no nothing to counter no animosity build up between RHP - SHP ? Gotcha

This is such ridiculous argument to make when Shanks' motives arent even known yet in the story. All we know is they want to fight. Animosity can come later depending on what is learned about Shanks. And even if they never do have animosity, Roger and Whitebeard never had it and they fought constantly. "Animosity" is not needed for 2 Yonko to fight each other, especially for One Piece.

And, luffy declaring he will fight shanks doesn't imply they have to fight seriously like how SHP vs Beast pirates did.

It could just be a clash between Luffy and shanks and that's all.

It could or it couldnt. Thats the entire conversation we are having here lol. A bunch of ifs and maybes. The only surefire thing (which YOU know is true) is that Luffy has stated he wants to fight Shanks.

Im not even sure what a "clash" is supposed to signfy to you people without an end result lmao.

And, definitely no battle royale between RHP - BBP - ShP this is just absurd

Not sure what is so absurd about the Yonko fighting over the 4th Poneglyph or One Piece.

Calling it "absurd" because you cant imagine the possibility of something unique with the 4 Yonko is such a ridiculous sentiment, so much so that people have told me it was absurd to think Kizaru could be a villain for Luffy after Kaido.

 

[Reborn]

This is such ridiculous argument to make when Shanks' motives arent even known yet in the story. All we know is they want to fight. Animosity can come later depending on what is learned about Shanks. And even if they never do have animosity, Roger and Whitebeard never had it and they fought constantly. "Animosity" is not needed for 2 Yonko to fight each other, especially for One Piece.


It could or it couldnt. Thats the entire conversation we are having here lol. A bunch of ifs and maybes. The only surefire thing (which YOU know is true) is that Luffy has stated he wants to fight Shanks.

Im not even sure what a "clash" is supposed to signfy to you people without an end result lmao.


Not sure what is so absurd about the Yonko fighting over the 4th Poneglyph or One Piece.

Calling it "absurd" because you cant imagine the possibility of something unique with the 4 Yonko is such a ridiculous sentiment, so much so that people have told me it was absurd to think Kizaru could be a villain for Luffy after Kaido.

Go to sleep bro lol



1) WB - Roger - they were rivals. Their crew were rivals and this was going on since God valley incident.

But WB never had dream to get one piece and become PK. He even let oden joined Roger.

Shanks - Luffy can't be called rivals in that sense because as I said earlier there is great bond between the crew and Luffy + usopp.

Not to mention, WB didn't inspire Roger but shanks did which makes shanks a role model for Luffy and not rivals.

So, this analogy doesn't fit here.



2) Animosity is needed because you are calling for a battle royale between SHP - RHP - BBP for one piece.

This is absurd because on one hand you have BBP who has bad blood with both RHP and SHP and on other hand you have RHP and SHP on good terms..

This is more like 2 vs 1 rather 1 vs 1 vs 1 until you have animosity between RHP and SHP to have duel to the end...


I can't even take RHP vs SHP seriously if they don't share bad blood.


To add further, oda just don't draw battle royale involving 3 parties to the finish. This is what you came up with on your own to fit your narrative of adding Shanks into the mix without upsetting BBP vs SHP. That's all it is...a wishful thinking to suit your agenda.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

So you have no nothing to counter no animosity build up between RHP - SHP ? Gotcha

And, luffy declaring he will fight shanks doesn't imply they have to fight seriously like how SHP vs Beast pirates did.

It could just be a clash between Luffy and shanks and that's all.

And, definitely no battle royale between RHP - BBP - ShP this is just absurd

I could see it being a Davy Back fight.

A fight between the Straw Hats and Red Haired pirates is truly the only explanation as to what I can think of as to why Oda introduced such a concept out of the blue, which so far has had no bearing whatsoever on the story.

The concept of the Davy Back fight feels tailor made for The Straw Hats and Red Haired pirates.

Winner keeps the Straw Hat? It's perfect.

 

[Reborn]

I could see it being a Davy Back fight.

A fight between the Straw Hats and Red Haired pirates is truly the only explanation as to what I can think of as to why Oda introduced such a concept out of the blue, which so far has had no bearing whatsoever on the story.

The concept of the Davy Back fight feels tailor made for The Straw Hats and Red Haired pirates.

Winner keeps the Straw Hat? It's perfect.

Isn't Davy Back Fight about traditional games meant to get crew members?


Unless oda makes change into this tradition to fit SHPs and RHPs then sure why not.

See, I am not against RHP vs SHP but I just don't see it becoming a serious one vs one fight to the end like with beast pirates/BBP

There is absolutely no build up/narrative for such fight to happen on serious note while we have BB rising on the sideline with whom both share bad blood

 

[Paperchampion23]

Go to sleep bro lol



1) WB - Roger - they were rivals. Their crew were rivals and this was going on since God valley incident.

But WB never had dream to get one piece and become PK. He even let oden joined Roger.

Shanks - Luffy can't be called rivals in that sense because as I said earlier there is great bond between the crew and Luffy + usopp.

Not to mention, WB didn't inspire Roger but shanks did which makes shanks a role model for Luffy and not rivals.

So, this analogy doesn't fit here.



2) Animosity is needed because you are calling for a battle royale between SHP - RHP - BBP for one piece.

This is absurd because on one hand you have BBP who has bad blood with both RHP and SHP and on other hand you have RHP and SHP on good terms..

This is more like 2 vs 1 rather 1 vs 1 vs 1 until you have animosity between RHP and SHP to have duel to the end...


I can't even take RHP vs SHP seriously if they don't share bad blood.


To add further, oda just don't draw battle royale involving 3 parties to the finish. This is what you came up with on your own to fit your narrative of adding Shanks into the mix without upsetting BBP vs SHP. That's all it is...a wishful thinking to suit your agenda.

Look at you "overanalyzing" now lol

Like I said, maybe wait for Shanks' motives to be revealed. We have no idea why he does what he does, let alone his disdain for Blackbeard even. So to say there wont be any animosity is jumping the gun on things we dont have full clarity on.

And nah I entertain the idea of a battle royale, but it can just be separate arcs involving both sets of characters because why not. But if Blackbeard and Shanks are fighting, then it stands reason that Luffy will be involved because theres absolutely no feasible way Oda will draw BBP vs RHP appropriately without a full arc focusing on them and Luffy (unless you want this to be mostly offscreened, because it will be like every other event not within arc focus)

Thats the precise issue you are having, you dont think it warrants a full arc involving Luffy, while I do.