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Please, quote me the post where I explain that I support Hamas. You will have hard times doing that, but if you want I can again perfectly quote you the posts where you deny the genocide of the Palestinians.
Because we do have the facts to judge on this case, fact that are sourced and crossed referenced by the Israel Forces, the Hamas, the humanitarian in place and the journalist. We can fairly say that yes, there is a genocide simply with all the informations we have.
You can deny it if you want to, but it will just make you look bad.
A few testimony and one shady video is not enough no, sorry.
Their profil and mission evolved with technology. We were talking about phone operator, so yes, they still exist.
And that would takes time.. somewhere between 20 to 50 years (the time to implement the courses and educations system related to AI, the times for new people to arrive, the time for people to learn, the time for people to adapt to the new technology, find new opportunities or adapt to their new mission etc.).
This is not a process that can be speedrunned in a single decade or a few years.
Yes, the process has already started, but its still very young. We are still decades away from having AI being able to replace ethically and smoothly all the production without damage.
Actually, in that case, its the opposite. We are literally trying to prevent guys like you to make the world a worst place for humanity and we are trying at the same times to find way to make it better despite of you.
We are not against AI, we are against its unethical usage. And right now, guys like you are not using AI ethically.
No mate. That's not how it works. You won't magically lower the prices because you create a better productivity. Plus, if you don't find a way to tank the arrival of AI with others EQUAL or SUPERIOR jobs opportunities, you will just prevent more and more people from bying your stuff while making more and more stuff for priviledged people.
In short, you will create a world only for 1% of the population to live peacefully in, and you will create hell for everyone else.
That's what pure capitalism is.
No mate. That's why you can't udnerstand a single bit of politic.. I do not blame any socialist ideology. I'm blame liberalist and libertarian ideologies. Which are in short, capitalist ideologies.
With socialism, it wouldn't be perfect, but we would live in a much better world. But with liberalism and therefore the myth of meritocracy, we are living in an illusion that only benefits those who already have power.
See.. that's the core of your ignorance.
You still believe that being an artist is similar to having regular jobs.. Are you that ignorant that you believe that in a currencyless society, a world without labor, artist would not exist anymore ? Do you really understand art that LITTLE that you think that what pushes artists is a salary or a check ?
Bro, artists will exist as long as living beings will have emotions !
What we ask for is just to be paid for our work and for our art not to be stolen ! And yes, you are right, you want to be a consumer, then STAY a consumer. Meaning that you DON'T have a say what jobs we should keep and what jobs we should delete. Its US who are in a place that can decide that.
Stay at your place ! Keep gobbeling your capitalist products and stop getting in the way of those who are shaping a better society.
Society will decide for you.
This is fallacious reasonning. Any product could be problematic for society, and when those who produce this problematic product have more firepower than those who fight those problematic product then those who product have more grasp on the uneducated (on the question) population and therefore its up to higher instances to regulate those problematic product.
It works for anything not just AI art. Education takes times and when people are in danger because of unethical production of some sort, then the states must intervene.
In those conditions, if only boycott those product, nothing will change, those products must be regulated at the source.
"If people wants drugs and wants to consume drugs, then they will.."
Same things, instead that in that example, its hurting consumers and in generative AI its hurting artists (and consumers because AI art is content without or with very few artistic qualities)
Why should I ?
Are we not in a society where someone who puts works into something shouldn't be rewarded with wealth ?
Or did you suddenly stop believing in meritocracy ?
Which has led to societies where 1% have more wealth than the 99% others. But yipppiiiii ... what a society ... and you want it to be even worse..
Yes.. and you will find out that AI """""""artist""""""" will not avoid this problem. In fact, it will be harder for them since they will have no way to distinguish themself from others since... well... they are not artists.
No mate. Only your delusional brain and a few ignorant libertarian AI tech guys like you think that.
So you are ok to put million out of work in a few single years just to have AI... And you really think you are on the right side of history ?
Woooow.. that's some deep delusion mate.... I wouldn't want to be in your paradoxal mind..
Sadly.. I do... So much that I understand why you are saying all of this.. But I also knows why its complete bullshit and straight up dangerous.
Yes, they can move the world toward progress.. or toward chaos. That's why humanity also needs to act ethically when we desire something.
We are not babies who needs all our desires to be fulfilled at once, we will not die if we take things slow.
Don't be a baby.
This is not that easy.
They COULD be called terrorist if the situation was not similar, with an oppressor and a nation under oppression. Sadly, its the case and Hamas are by defaut resistants to those oppressors in the fact that they are recruiting directly in a population that is oppressed. So no, we can't really call them terrorist (in fact terrorism is a notion that does not make consensus in international rights), they are a faction of resistance, a faction that can sometimes do war crimes. (and the people involved must be punished for that)
No mate.
First there is no clear position of the Hamas as this is a multi polar organisation. What we can say for sure right now is that Hamas is antisionist by essence. Which is not really that bad compared to what Israel is doing right now.
Second, Hamas is an organization that is recruiting in the population, so its far for being a homogenus organization. There are there people who only join out of anger, others out of ideology etc. That's why we can't really label the crimes of october 7th on the entire Hamas organization because it would be like generalizing a set of criminal action to the entire resistance group.
That would be like if during France's occupation by Nazi, the destruction of a structure by a resistance groupe (killing civilians) this action would be assignated ideologically on every group of the resistance accross France when we know that in reality there were different groups and even disparities inside those groups themself.
You can and you SHOULD blame what happened on october 7th on the people who acted, but you can't generalize this action on the entire group, unless you want to alienate the group and people inside the population that might support those people and risk to create even more resistance and even more anger...
Nobody here justify the killing of jews or I would be on their A*s like a cat on chicken meat. Don't worry mate.
Noone is justified in killing anyone.
Not only that, it would also be pure fascist rethoric.
No, it would still be wrong. Hamas's members who acted on october 7th are not justified in killing hundreds of civilians. There is no excuse for it mate. Don't try to make it seems like anyone here is justifying their action.
Same things as previous. Its not that simple either.
We can't really say that Hamas is good either. Its not a homogenus organization. Some are literal foundamentalist killers and some are simple civilian enrolled in armed resistance. In reality, Hamas is complicated.
Sadly, in a war where there is a clear oppressor, we can't ask the oppressed population to believe only in the resistance groups who never hurt civilians..
This kind of priviledges is out of their reach.
Because we do have the facts to judge on this case, fact that are sourced and crossed referenced by the Israel Forces, the Hamas, the humanitarian in place and the journalist. We can fairly say that yes, there is a genocide simply with all the informations we have.
You can deny it if you want to, but it will just make you look bad.
A few testimony and one shady video is not enough no, sorry.
Their profil and mission evolved with technology. We were talking about phone operator, so yes, they still exist.
And that would takes time.. somewhere between 20 to 50 years (the time to implement the courses and educations system related to AI, the times for new people to arrive, the time for people to learn, the time for people to adapt to the new technology, find new opportunities or adapt to their new mission etc.).
This is not a process that can be speedrunned in a single decade or a few years.
Yes, the process has already started, but its still very young. We are still decades away from having AI being able to replace ethically and smoothly all the production without damage.
Actually, in that case, its the opposite. We are literally trying to prevent guys like you to make the world a worst place for humanity and we are trying at the same times to find way to make it better despite of you.
We are not against AI, we are against its unethical usage. And right now, guys like you are not using AI ethically.
No mate. That's not how it works. You won't magically lower the prices because you create a better productivity. Plus, if you don't find a way to tank the arrival of AI with others EQUAL or SUPERIOR jobs opportunities, you will just prevent more and more people from bying your stuff while making more and more stuff for priviledged people.
In short, you will create a world only for 1% of the population to live peacefully in, and you will create hell for everyone else.
That's what pure capitalism is.
No mate. That's why you can't udnerstand a single bit of politic.. I do not blame any socialist ideology. I'm blame liberalist and libertarian ideologies. Which are in short, capitalist ideologies.
With socialism, it wouldn't be perfect, but we would live in a much better world. But with liberalism and therefore the myth of meritocracy, we are living in an illusion that only benefits those who already have power.
See.. that's the core of your ignorance.
You still believe that being an artist is similar to having regular jobs.. Are you that ignorant that you believe that in a currencyless society, a world without labor, artist would not exist anymore ? Do you really understand art that LITTLE that you think that what pushes artists is a salary or a check ?
Bro, artists will exist as long as living beings will have emotions !
What we ask for is just to be paid for our work and for our art not to be stolen ! And yes, you are right, you want to be a consumer, then STAY a consumer. Meaning that you DON'T have a say what jobs we should keep and what jobs we should delete. Its US who are in a place that can decide that.
Stay at your place ! Keep gobbeling your capitalist products and stop getting in the way of those who are shaping a better society.
Society will decide for you.
This is fallacious reasonning. Any product could be problematic for society, and when those who produce this problematic product have more firepower than those who fight those problematic product then those who product have more grasp on the uneducated (on the question) population and therefore its up to higher instances to regulate those problematic product.
It works for anything not just AI art. Education takes times and when people are in danger because of unethical production of some sort, then the states must intervene.
In those conditions, if only boycott those product, nothing will change, those products must be regulated at the source.
"If people wants drugs and wants to consume drugs, then they will.."
Same things, instead that in that example, its hurting consumers and in generative AI its hurting artists (and consumers because AI art is content without or with very few artistic qualities)
Why should I ?
Are we not in a society where someone who puts works into something shouldn't be rewarded with wealth ?
Or did you suddenly stop believing in meritocracy ?
Which has led to societies where 1% have more wealth than the 99% others. But yipppiiiii ... what a society ... and you want it to be even worse..
Yes.. and you will find out that AI """""""artist""""""" will not avoid this problem. In fact, it will be harder for them since they will have no way to distinguish themself from others since... well... they are not artists.
No mate. Only your delusional brain and a few ignorant libertarian AI tech guys like you think that.
So you are ok to put million out of work in a few single years just to have AI... And you really think you are on the right side of history ?
Woooow.. that's some deep delusion mate.... I wouldn't want to be in your paradoxal mind..
Sadly.. I do... So much that I understand why you are saying all of this.. But I also knows why its complete bullshit and straight up dangerous.
Yes, they can move the world toward progress.. or toward chaos. That's why humanity also needs to act ethically when we desire something.
We are not babies who needs all our desires to be fulfilled at once, we will not die if we take things slow.
Don't be a baby.
This is not that easy.
They COULD be called terrorist if the situation was not similar, with an oppressor and a nation under oppression. Sadly, its the case and Hamas are by defaut resistants to those oppressors in the fact that they are recruiting directly in a population that is oppressed. So no, we can't really call them terrorist (in fact terrorism is a notion that does not make consensus in international rights), they are a faction of resistance, a faction that can sometimes do war crimes. (and the people involved must be punished for that)
No mate.
First there is no clear position of the Hamas as this is a multi polar organisation. What we can say for sure right now is that Hamas is antisionist by essence. Which is not really that bad compared to what Israel is doing right now.
Second, Hamas is an organization that is recruiting in the population, so its far for being a homogenus organization. There are there people who only join out of anger, others out of ideology etc. That's why we can't really label the crimes of october 7th on the entire Hamas organization because it would be like generalizing a set of criminal action to the entire resistance group.
That would be like if during France's occupation by Nazi, the destruction of a structure by a resistance groupe (killing civilians) this action would be assignated ideologically on every group of the resistance accross France when we know that in reality there were different groups and even disparities inside those groups themself.
You can and you SHOULD blame what happened on october 7th on the people who acted, but you can't generalize this action on the entire group, unless you want to alienate the group and people inside the population that might support those people and risk to create even more resistance and even more anger...
Nobody here justify the killing of jews or I would be on their A*s like a cat on chicken meat. Don't worry mate.
Noone is justified in killing anyone.
Not only that, it would also be pure fascist rethoric.
No, it would still be wrong. Hamas's members who acted on october 7th are not justified in killing hundreds of civilians. There is no excuse for it mate. Don't try to make it seems like anyone here is justifying their action.
Same things as previous. Its not that simple either.
We can't really say that Hamas is good either. Its not a homogenus organization. Some are literal foundamentalist killers and some are simple civilian enrolled in armed resistance. In reality, Hamas is complicated.
Sadly, in a war where there is a clear oppressor, we can't ask the oppressed population to believe only in the resistance groups who never hurt civilians..
This kind of priviledges is out of their reach.
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Please, quote me the post where I explain that I support Hamas. You will have hard times doing that, but if you want I can again perfectly quote you the posts where you deny the genocide of the Palestinians.
If we did we would have international court blaming Israel for it. But they didn't. Yet we have evidence of UNRWA supplying Hamas and you just choose to deny.
No, even in this post your deny the fact that Hamas is terrorist organization and already is trying to find excuses to not blame them. You are just a person that is unable to see beyond your narrow point of view. Your rest of quotes are a great proof of it, since they are examples of similar ''logic'' than the ones applied to defend Hamas, and even trying to comment about them, while ignoring the underling argument, is-at best- a waste of time and even stupid.
BTW, people adapt really fast. I was born in the 80's. There's plenty of skills that I had to learn to get jobs that turned obsolete in just a decade (like using a typewriter or developing photos from old cameras) and entire professions, jobs and fields of work that disappeared. People and society will adapt and plenty of new jobs will also appear. Trying to create fear because some people are useless is idiotic. Just the fact that AI will allow us tobe free of woke bullshit when creating our own entertainment make it worth.
BTW, people adapt really fast. I was born in the 80's. There's plenty of skills that I had to learn to get jobs that turned obsolete in just a decade (like using a typewriter or developing photos from old cameras) and entire professions, jobs and fields of work that disappeared. People and society will adapt and plenty of new jobs will also appear. Trying to create fear because some people are useless is idiotic. Just the fact that AI will allow us tobe free of woke bullshit when creating our own entertainment make it worth.
Question:
(that I think I already asked but I will again just for show):
You have 3 very close friends in your town. There is :
- John, your best friend
- Carla, one of your closest confident
- Donna, John's ex and best friend of Carla
Carla and John just announced that there are in a relationship. Suddenly when you see Donna, she seems distant with you and John but no Carla. When you ask her why, she doesn't reply. Three month later, you receive Carla in tears in your home. She doesn't want to tell you why. Time passes and one month later, John and Carla are breaking up. You see that Carla and Donna are taking distances with you but you don't know why.
One day, when you are with the two women alone, you confront them and Carla gives you an answer in tears: John raped her. In fact Donna starts to cry and explains that john also abused her sexually and mentally when they were in a relationship showing multiple text.
What do you do ?
Do you wait for a legal investigation to judge if John he is innocent or not and cut ties with him
OR
Do you choose to believe the two girls that are crying in front of you and cut the relationship between you and John and start supporting them?
Now.. apply this to what we were talking about. Knowing that there are people in distress and other people documenting the human abuse of another power, do I really need to wait until the end of an investigation to judge of the potential crime ?
Yes, but this is not a justification of their action mate. This is me being more precise than you on the notion of terrorism, that's all.
Oh ? Did you not read the part where I explain that we SHOULD blame the member of Hamas who perpetuated the atrocities of octoboer 7th ?
Why are you lying ?
Trust me, I would like to be wrong for once and to be able to say that there is a bad and a good side. But it's not the case. What there are are an oppressor and a population under oppression and faction that are fighting in resistance.
Not really no, since I'm saying the exact opposite.
Yes. 50 years (max) IS "really fast". I'm not saying that its not.
Yes, when we are talking about manual jobs. Not when we are talking about jobs that requires real formations like development.
Yes, if things are done smoothly.. even tho its still HEAVILY DEBATABLE. But not in the span of a single decade or just a few years.
You don't create opportunities out of thin air.
Good to know how you think about people.... and you don't understand why people are labbeling you as far right ?
Mate.. I think you are not ready....
(that I think I already asked but I will again just for show):
You have 3 very close friends in your town. There is :
- John, your best friend
- Carla, one of your closest confident
- Donna, John's ex and best friend of Carla
Carla and John just announced that there are in a relationship. Suddenly when you see Donna, she seems distant with you and John but no Carla. When you ask her why, she doesn't reply. Three month later, you receive Carla in tears in your home. She doesn't want to tell you why. Time passes and one month later, John and Carla are breaking up. You see that Carla and Donna are taking distances with you but you don't know why.
One day, when you are with the two women alone, you confront them and Carla gives you an answer in tears: John raped her. In fact Donna starts to cry and explains that john also abused her sexually and mentally when they were in a relationship showing multiple text.
What do you do ?
Do you wait for a legal investigation to judge if John he is innocent or not and cut ties with him
OR
Do you choose to believe the two girls that are crying in front of you and cut the relationship between you and John and start supporting them?
Now.. apply this to what we were talking about. Knowing that there are people in distress and other people documenting the human abuse of another power, do I really need to wait until the end of an investigation to judge of the potential crime ?
Yes, but this is not a justification of their action mate. This is me being more precise than you on the notion of terrorism, that's all.
Oh ? Did you not read the part where I explain that we SHOULD blame the member of Hamas who perpetuated the atrocities of octoboer 7th ?
Why are you lying ?
Trust me, I would like to be wrong for once and to be able to say that there is a bad and a good side. But it's not the case. What there are are an oppressor and a population under oppression and faction that are fighting in resistance.
Not really no, since I'm saying the exact opposite.
Yes. 50 years (max) IS "really fast". I'm not saying that its not.
Yes, when we are talking about manual jobs. Not when we are talking about jobs that requires real formations like development.
Yes, if things are done smoothly.. even tho its still HEAVILY DEBATABLE. But not in the span of a single decade or just a few years.
You don't create opportunities out of thin air.
Good to know how you think about people.... and you don't understand why people are labbeling you as far right ?
Mate.. I think you are not ready....
Your example is stupid. The actual scenario would be if John after raping the girls said that they were serial killers and he was justified in raping them and some retards defended John because of supposed crimes of the girls. If you are trying to use a example use the proper scenario.
Considering that you seem to ignore the proper definition of terrorism and the charter of Hamas, I doubt you know even a little about terrorism. Like, I said, you are too focused on your own stupid ideas that you are unable to see beyond your own ass.
Trying to defend terrorists by shifting the blame and not using the same argument when dealing with Jews., When terrorists kills: the ones that kill were guilt, when a group in Israel kill: every Palestinian is justified in killing jews. This is hypocrisy.
I don't need to lie for the likes of you. You just have to try to think for more than a second.
Nope. This is again just proving your ignorance and prejudice.
When people have their asses on fire they adapt or die. When clerks that studied for years to get a job in court and even got a degree got fired because of computers (and this was actually very quiet in my country- dozens of companies that dealt with it turned obsolete just in my city), people adapted. Fake regulations made to protect lazy people just hinder progress.
Yeah, yeah. Deal with the argument instead of trying to deflect with personal attacks. And even this attack is false. I assume that people adapt instead of protecting people thinking they would be unable to. I prefer to give them the benefit of doubt than just assume they are useless outright.
Considering that you seem to ignore the proper definition of terrorism and the charter of Hamas, I doubt you know even a little about terrorism. Like, I said, you are too focused on your own stupid ideas that you are unable to see beyond your own ass.
Trying to defend terrorists by shifting the blame and not using the same argument when dealing with Jews., When terrorists kills: the ones that kill were guilt, when a group in Israel kill: every Palestinian is justified in killing jews. This is hypocrisy.
I don't need to lie for the likes of you. You just have to try to think for more than a second.
Nope. This is again just proving your ignorance and prejudice.
When people have their asses on fire they adapt or die. When clerks that studied for years to get a job in court and even got a degree got fired because of computers (and this was actually very quiet in my country- dozens of companies that dealt with it turned obsolete just in my city), people adapted. Fake regulations made to protect lazy people just hinder progress.
Yeah, yeah. Deal with the argument instead of trying to deflect with personal attacks. And even this attack is false. I assume that people adapt instead of protecting people thinking they would be unable to. I prefer to give them the benefit of doubt than just assume they are useless outright.
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Worst in fact. The concept of popular elitism (the idea that some people are useless and others are therefore superior) is literally one of the checkmark of "UrFascism" (the fascist ideology theorized in 14 marking points by antifascist Umberto Eco), so not only it is deeply rooted in far right and therefore elitist ideologies, but it can lead to ideologies far more dangerous.
Nop, in reality people like John call those who are denouncing acts of abuse as "lyers" and "propagandist". This is exactly what happens here.
Actually.. you might not understand it, but abusers will often justify their action like this. And won't see the abuse.
You don't understand the scenario in the first place mate :)
Here, I'm explaining with an example that an abuser will ALWAYS find a justification for their crime and that we don't have to wait for investigations to judge as citizens.
1. The charter of Hamas changed with time. Analysing the actions of the hamas with an outdated charter is fallacious at best
2. Hamas member do not necessarelly bend to the charter
3. I do not ignore the definition of terrorism, but you do ignore the fact that there are no international consensus on the notion of terrorism and this notion is absent of humanitary international rights. For a good reason, as this is a notion that can be easily used to deligitimize any action of resistance.
So we need to be precise, not only because its important, but also because it can allow us to convict the perpetuators of crimes more effectively:
The Hamas is an armed organization of resistance (mainly foundamentalist) that is anti sionist. This organisation did a war crime on october 7th killing hundreds of civilisian. The author of those crimes but be found and punish on the basis of international laws of war.
Does this means that all Hamas member are criminals ? Most probably not, simply because this organization recruits massively into the young desesperate population who are for the most part not implicated in the ideology of the group but are here because of anger and the will to oppose the oppression of the Israelian gov.
Oh I think I learned quite a bit during the 5 years when my country was under the constant and direct terrorist threat mate.
Are you taking about those who are defending Israel here ? No because Israel COULD be also called a terrorist organization by some definition of terrorism (as for example, action of violence as acts of collective punishment IS one of the definition of terrorism )
hm ?
Or are you lying again and trying to say that I defend terrorist when I explicitely explain the need to convict the perpetuators of crime wars ?
See, that's the problem. The argument cannot be reversed. Israel is not in a position of defense, its - despite what you might think - in a position of ATTACK. Israel is the OPPRESSOR:
- They are the colonizer
- They oppress the population
- They barricated Gaza
- They are stopping humanitarian help
They are the one in power and the one who use their power to create distress. Ergo : Oppressors.
So no, we can't really justify their action by saying that they act because they are a resistant group, they are not. They are the group that is the problem in the first place.
Please.. try harder...
No, its just me knowing about the subject mate. You simply can't transform a manufactory worker into a AI developper or robotic manutentionner in a single day. You need a HUGE formation for that. Formation that can be short (a few month) or very long (2 to 3 years)
Now, if you add that to the fact that you actually need to implement those formation, we are already starting to approach the decade. Now if you add that to the fact that you need to transform the entire society, you can multiply this by 10. Which create a transformation of society that can be short a little more than a decade or a bit longer 40 to 50 years.
You can't expect that people will adapt just because you told them to. Unless you are completely ignorant and you are not afraid to create complete chaos.
Glad to see, that you prefer to put "fire" on people's ass, rather that adapt slowly but surely the society to AI..
Once again, it shows why people call you a far right rights. You are the caricature of a procapitalisti liberal/liberatarian. (and of course one with conservatist and elitist vision)
Yes, OTHER people. Not the ones that were forced to be jobless.
A society without progress is a dying society. But progress without ethic or humanity is pure ignorance and chaos.
I don't need to, people don't need to know why treating people with ethic, respect and dignity is the good thing to do. Only you and Herrera seems to missunderstand this simple thing.
No, you assume that because you think you can adapt (because you have the capitals to adapts), then society will be able to adapt. Its pure desillusion and its dangerous because it enable powerfull people to think the same way.
You just said that some people are useless dude.. respect yourself.
Nop, in reality people like John call those who are denouncing acts of abuse as "lyers" and "propagandist". This is exactly what happens here.
Actually.. you might not understand it, but abusers will often justify their action like this. And won't see the abuse.
You don't understand the scenario in the first place mate :)
Here, I'm explaining with an example that an abuser will ALWAYS find a justification for their crime and that we don't have to wait for investigations to judge as citizens.
1. The charter of Hamas changed with time. Analysing the actions of the hamas with an outdated charter is fallacious at best
2. Hamas member do not necessarelly bend to the charter
3. I do not ignore the definition of terrorism, but you do ignore the fact that there are no international consensus on the notion of terrorism and this notion is absent of humanitary international rights. For a good reason, as this is a notion that can be easily used to deligitimize any action of resistance.
So we need to be precise, not only because its important, but also because it can allow us to convict the perpetuators of crimes more effectively:
The Hamas is an armed organization of resistance (mainly foundamentalist) that is anti sionist. This organisation did a war crime on october 7th killing hundreds of civilisian. The author of those crimes but be found and punish on the basis of international laws of war.
Does this means that all Hamas member are criminals ? Most probably not, simply because this organization recruits massively into the young desesperate population who are for the most part not implicated in the ideology of the group but are here because of anger and the will to oppose the oppression of the Israelian gov.
Oh I think I learned quite a bit during the 5 years when my country was under the constant and direct terrorist threat mate.
Are you taking about those who are defending Israel here ? No because Israel COULD be also called a terrorist organization by some definition of terrorism (as for example, action of violence as acts of collective punishment IS one of the definition of terrorism )
hm ?
Or are you lying again and trying to say that I defend terrorist when I explicitely explain the need to convict the perpetuators of crime wars ?
See, that's the problem. The argument cannot be reversed. Israel is not in a position of defense, its - despite what you might think - in a position of ATTACK. Israel is the OPPRESSOR:
- They are the colonizer
- They oppress the population
- They barricated Gaza
- They are stopping humanitarian help
They are the one in power and the one who use their power to create distress. Ergo : Oppressors.
So no, we can't really justify their action by saying that they act because they are a resistant group, they are not. They are the group that is the problem in the first place.
Please.. try harder...
No, its just me knowing about the subject mate. You simply can't transform a manufactory worker into a AI developper or robotic manutentionner in a single day. You need a HUGE formation for that. Formation that can be short (a few month) or very long (2 to 3 years)
Now, if you add that to the fact that you actually need to implement those formation, we are already starting to approach the decade. Now if you add that to the fact that you need to transform the entire society, you can multiply this by 10. Which create a transformation of society that can be short a little more than a decade or a bit longer 40 to 50 years.
You can't expect that people will adapt just because you told them to. Unless you are completely ignorant and you are not afraid to create complete chaos.
Glad to see, that you prefer to put "fire" on people's ass, rather that adapt slowly but surely the society to AI..
Once again, it shows why people call you a far right rights. You are the caricature of a procapitalisti liberal/liberatarian. (and of course one with conservatist and elitist vision)
Yes, OTHER people. Not the ones that were forced to be jobless.
A society without progress is a dying society. But progress without ethic or humanity is pure ignorance and chaos.
I don't need to, people don't need to know why treating people with ethic, respect and dignity is the good thing to do. Only you and Herrera seems to missunderstand this simple thing.
No, you assume that because you think you can adapt (because you have the capitals to adapts), then society will be able to adapt. Its pure desillusion and its dangerous because it enable powerfull people to think the same way.
You just said that some people are useless dude.. respect yourself.
Is thinking some people are useless enough to be labeled far right? 
The best way not to be labeled one is to blindly follow whatever you are told and don't free think at any cost.
That's why you have people go into the streets and tell liberal students quotes from right-winged people, but lie and say the leaders of the left quotes, so they praise those lines of thought.
Then they take quotes from left leaders and tell people that right-ring people said them and then they can see how racist/sexist ect that the left really is under the guise someone from the right said it.
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So you have Israel that showed evidence of UNRWA supporting Hamas yet you are awaiting the legal investigation to believe on it. But you are taking the accusations of genocide without any proof in here...
Well since they showed me the proof and didn't seem to be wanting something from John yeah I would believe on them and help them to put him in jail.
Well since they showed me the proof and didn't seem to be wanting something from John yeah I would believe on them and help them to put him in jail.
Again, try to think before you answer. The example is directly correlated with Hamas claiming that they are right in their actions because of the crimes of Israel. The correlation is Hamas Vs Israel and not whatever stupid idea you have.
I don't care about your stupid scenario and your stupid justifications to not feel guilty about Hamas. The scenario what I was talking about was people defending Hamas while ignoring it's crimes while at the same time blaming Israel and taking everything that justifies the killing of jews as fact.
If you were stupid enough to not understand my first post- that's a YOU problem. I complained about people justifying the killing of jews because of acts commit by some people, while ignoring atrocities of Hamas and using anything to make the group as a whole free of guilt. Like you, that is perfect willing to let the blame fall in a few in the case of Hamas, but is perfect willing to blame Israel as a whole because it was just a few people and justifying the killings.
Like this. The opressor deserve to be killed.
Nope. I'm tired of trying to explain a simple concept to a person that claims to be a adult and this person acting like a retard.
Apparently not.
Agreed. So, if those people are afraid to be made obsolete, they should start to trying to improve instead of complaining until the house falls around them. Plenty of people are preparing to the new scenario, the ones that won't will suffer because they are dumb. In the end, society will adapt.
Competent people are already adapting. You look at people complaining about AI, I look at the people looking at SORA and asking about courses and how to use the technology. The first group will suffer, the second will improve and create new industries.
Attack the argument and not the person. Is not that hard. If I start with personal attacks you know that there's way more ammunition against you.
And those people had to adapt and find new jobs. Unless they are wastes of space that take gov money because of fake issues.
This is just bullshit. You'll be hard pressed to find a society that don't have any sort of ethics, even among tribes. Progress will happen either you like or not. Humans are better than you think.
Again, you are using fake accusations when not having a argument. Instead of bullshit use a proper argument.
Again, your argument is stupid. You already stated before that the AI changes will mostly affect people with higher education and not the large amount of society at large. Supposedly those people have average levels of intelligence and having a valuable degree should be able to adapt and make their degrees not worthless. The best will adapt and lead the pack. Society in the end will be fine.
Assuming that people will have to change or adapt to pay the bills is not delusion. Like, I said, smart people are already planning in how to adapt. New fields will be open and new jobs in those fields will go to competent people. The others that are unable to adapt will have to go to another field, like it happened before.
Again, you should be able to read and understand a simple concept: people will adapt or die. Those that don't are useless.
Instead of assuming that everyone will fail like you and everyone is useless, I prefer to assume that people will adapt.
For fucks sake, is not that hard to understand. Think, retard.
I don't care about your stupid scenario and your stupid justifications to not feel guilty about Hamas. The scenario what I was talking about was people defending Hamas while ignoring it's crimes while at the same time blaming Israel and taking everything that justifies the killing of jews as fact.
If you were stupid enough to not understand my first post- that's a YOU problem. I complained about people justifying the killing of jews because of acts commit by some people, while ignoring atrocities of Hamas and using anything to make the group as a whole free of guilt. Like you, that is perfect willing to let the blame fall in a few in the case of Hamas, but is perfect willing to blame Israel as a whole because it was just a few people and justifying the killings.
Like this. The opressor deserve to be killed.
Nope. I'm tired of trying to explain a simple concept to a person that claims to be a adult and this person acting like a retard.
Apparently not.
Agreed. So, if those people are afraid to be made obsolete, they should start to trying to improve instead of complaining until the house falls around them. Plenty of people are preparing to the new scenario, the ones that won't will suffer because they are dumb. In the end, society will adapt.
Competent people are already adapting. You look at people complaining about AI, I look at the people looking at SORA and asking about courses and how to use the technology. The first group will suffer, the second will improve and create new industries.
Attack the argument and not the person. Is not that hard. If I start with personal attacks you know that there's way more ammunition against you.
And those people had to adapt and find new jobs. Unless they are wastes of space that take gov money because of fake issues.
This is just bullshit. You'll be hard pressed to find a society that don't have any sort of ethics, even among tribes. Progress will happen either you like or not. Humans are better than you think.
Again, you are using fake accusations when not having a argument. Instead of bullshit use a proper argument.
Again, your argument is stupid. You already stated before that the AI changes will mostly affect people with higher education and not the large amount of society at large. Supposedly those people have average levels of intelligence and having a valuable degree should be able to adapt and make their degrees not worthless. The best will adapt and lead the pack. Society in the end will be fine.
Assuming that people will have to change or adapt to pay the bills is not delusion. Like, I said, smart people are already planning in how to adapt. New fields will be open and new jobs in those fields will go to competent people. The others that are unable to adapt will have to go to another field, like it happened before.
Again, you should be able to read and understand a simple concept: people will adapt or die. Those that don't are useless.
Instead of assuming that everyone will fail like you and everyone is useless, I prefer to assume that people will adapt.
For fucks sake, is not that hard to understand. Think, retard.