Speculations Luffy will end up fighting both Kizaru and Saturn at the same time

[TheAncientCenturion]

Huge paper champion Dubya

Luffy vs Kizaru
Robot vs Saturn

 

[BlackLegFring]

Really good calls @Paperchampion23 . I still have trouble seeing Saturn going down here , but with your track record, I’m more inclined to doubt myself.

They’d have to find a way to negate Saturn’s immortality for him to go down, and I don’t see that happening without killing any expectations for the immortality down the line.

I still don’t think either Saturn or Kizaru are going down yet…but if anyone is going down it’s likely to be Kizaru (and only after showing his full arsenal).

 

[Dragon777]

They’d have to find a way to negate Saturn’s immortality for him to go down, and I don’t see that happening without killing any expectations for the immortality down the line.

I still don’t think either Saturn or Kizaru are going down yet…but if anyone is going down it’s likely to be Kizaru (and only after showing his full arsenal).

Tbh I do not think there is any immortality involved.

 

[Paperchampion23]

They’d have to find a way to negate Saturn’s immortality for him to go down, and I don’t see that happening without killing any expectations for the immortality down the line.

I still don’t think either Saturn or Kizaru are going down yet…but if anyone is going down it’s likely to be Kizaru (and only after showing his full arsenal).

One theory Ive had is that somehow the AR went to Marijoa to exterminate the Gorosei specifically before powering down. Maybe it is the key to nullifying his immorality?

 

[Dragon777]

One theory Ive had is that somehow the AR went to Marijoa to exterminate the Gorosei specifically before powering down. Maybe it is the key to nullifying his immorality?

I have the same opinion, immortality aside.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Never underestimate Oda's love for his mc lol

 

[BlackLegFring]

Tbh I do not think there is any immortality involved.

It simply makes the most sense. He decided to stay on an island getting buster called. That suggests he has no fear of dying at all.

The Gorosei’s agelessness and lack of fear speaking with top tiers all point towards it.

 

[Dragon777]

It simply makes the most sense. He decided to stay on an island getting buster called. That suggests he has no fear of dying at all.

The Gorosei’s agelessness and lack of fear speaking with top tiers all point towards it.

Because a bustercall is incapable of killing him, as for any other fighter of high level. Then, he has his fruit, which seems to be extremely good on that matter.

He may have eternal youth, that I think is possible, but I don't think he is immortal. As long as you can go past his zoan regenerative powers, imho you can kill him.

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

I think people have really imagined a scenario where Luffy "needs" to escape properly without winning first. Its not like didnt defeat other enemies while escaping in past arcs (see Kata).

Imo, even if Kizaru and Saturn are the only real fights this arc, I do see them losing properly before they "escape" from the Buster Call or some other danger set by the island (maybe destroying the mother flame factory causes it to nuclear or something)

From whom should they run if Kizaru and Saturn are defeated?? Cannot compare to Big Mom where Luffy barely defeated Katakuri and was out of fighting, and they then had to escape from many strong fighters like other Commanders or Big Mom herself!

Unless you are saying Luffy will go down and unable to continue fighting himself, the narrative of escaping would be gone if he defeats Kizaru. Apart of there not even being the time to waste on fighting an Admiral anyways. Even if you claim he takes him down, he would surely need his time to do that.

 

[Paperchampion23]

From whom should they run if Kizaru and Saturn are defeated?? Cannot compare to Big Mom where Luffy barely defeated Katakuri and was out of fighting, and they then had to escape from many strong fighters like other Commanders or Big Mom herself!

Unless you are saying Luffy will go down and unable to continue fighting himself, the narrative of escaping would be gone if he defeats Kizaru. Apart of there not even being the time to waste on fighting an Admiral anyways. Even if you claim he takes him down, he would surely need his time to do that.

Plenty of options:

- The rest of the buster call, its 10x larger than a normal one.
- The mother flame factory going nuclear
- Some other external time bomb threat

 

[PeronaNerona]

Luffy is going to lose to Saturn and Kizaru. People who actually think he is going to have the upper hand are crazy, Oda set Dorry and Brogy and the Ancient Robot up for a reason.

 

[Durableguy]

Luffy is going to lose to Saturn and Kizaru. People who actually think he is going to have the upper hand are crazy, Oda set Dorry and Brogy and the Ancient Robot up for a reason.

Eh I can kinda see this at this point.

But overall he's going to defeat them at the end of the arc.

Like people said. Kizaru and Saturn killing Vegapunk and Luffy just running away is not really acceptable.

It needs to be conclusive even if he doesn't solo.

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

- The rest of the buster call, its 10x larger than a normal one.

Gear 5 no diffs

- The mother flame factory going nuclear
- Some other external time bomb threat

Would be so ass. You know that any option that includes Kizaru and Saturn to be randomly defeated feels so off and straight outa a child book. Would be like Impel Down but defeating Magellan before "escaping" for some random forced reasons. Why take the main threat for the reason of the escape out and still sell the readers that this is a legit escape?

 

[Paperchampion23]

Gear 5 no diffs



Would be so ass. You know that any option that includes Kizaru and Saturn to be randomly defeated feels so off and straight outa a child book. Would be like Impel Down but defeating Magellan before "escaping" for some random forced reasons. Why take the main threat for the reason of the escape out and still sell the readers that this is a legit escape?

This isnt pre timeskip and Luffy defeating arc antagonists isnt random or anything new lol.

The simple fact that when he defeats them he'll probably be running on fumes should tell you they would run/escape after that point

 

[Nuffy]

:cheers:

 

[Agent31]

You cooked G

 

[Oliver]

Yeah I kind of dismissed this topic when I first read it because I assumed - like many other people - that it would be a magellan type situation. I thought Kizaru is probably getting clapped but Saturn won't go down so soon.

I mean I suppose it could still happen, but this theory has been pretty top tier so far and it's looking increasingly likely that Saturn will be getting smacked up and that ancient robot will help.