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What the hell is exactly going on in France? 
https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/03/11/france-president-emmanual-macron-slams-rumour-brigitte-trans/
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https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/03/11/france-president-emmanual-macron-slams-rumour-brigitte-trans/
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Those rumors are the proof that right now, its not safe to be trans and are literally extremely transphobic and dangerous. Because lets be objective: EVEN if those rumors were true and B.M is indeed a transgender, this wouldn't negate the fact that:
- She would still be a women
- People would have been calling out her without her consent (and a coming out for a trans person is synonym of danger)
It puts her in danger and it puts a target on trans people and sends the message that they are "scandals" that should be uncovered. Really, I mean that, this is not funny at all.
Really sadden that you can't even see the obvious even when it is explained to you... Honestly, I've made an effort, you really are not helping.
This was not a debate or a proposition mate, this is a narrative fact. The arcs are based on conflict of strong values. Which is what politic is, period.
That is a big missunderstanding of the story mate.
The problem is that you are arguing that there is no politics in One Piece without even understanding what politics is in the first place.
Level of understanding of the story : Kindergarden.
Wrong, but even if it was the case, spoilers: good vs bad is a political conflict.
Really ?
I guess Queers are free when they are with other queers...
Just like the Requiem in D minor of Mozart is a simple music, it doesn't make it non impactfull. Simplicity is not synonymous of a lack of density or a lack of relevancy or a lack of impact or or a lack of quality. One Piece is a story that is structured actually pretty simply and that WHY its so effective to deliver a political message ! And in that domain, its extremely dense and powerfull.
If you think that Yamato accomplished nothing or was for nothing then you didn't understand the story of Yamato AT ALL.
No, I don't need to push anything, I just need to read correctly the story mate
A thing that you are failing to do...
No social classes ? Are you for real ? Didn't you read the entire flashback of Luffy ?
Dude, you are in complete denial. There are literally 5 classes of society when we take certains places into account...
The village of Syrup is quite literally made from low middle class people bruh... There is no factories in place, no signs of real struggles and the village is most likely surviving on trades with other islands and with the help of the family.
Worst example ever.
What is a "political evolved" ? Is that a new word ?
Indeed, which is why "national socialism" is not leftist and is not socialism. You are starting to understand the point.
See, a example of you thinking that a "liberty" can override people's right to live in peace.
Nop
Repoted post "that goes against my ideas" are posts that goes against the rules of the forum or internet rules and that mods actually don't notice as post that goes against said rules.
I'm here as a reminder. I do not censor. For example, I do not report you when you say some BS about the politics of One Piece. > That would be censorship.
Crypto fascism is a behavior that deliver fascist ideas undercover. A cryptofascist gov use therefore the same behavior but on a systemic scale.
The international court didn't say that there was no genocide. It urged Israel to not go farther in which case in would be a sign of obvious genocide. The investigation about the genocide in Gaza are still ungoing mate.
No, this is pure sexism and pure transphobia. But how could you understand?
You are talking about Bolsonaro ? The openly anti-gay and homophobic official ? This guy ?
- She would still be a women
- People would have been calling out her without her consent (and a coming out for a trans person is synonym of danger)
It puts her in danger and it puts a target on trans people and sends the message that they are "scandals" that should be uncovered. Really, I mean that, this is not funny at all.
Really sadden that you can't even see the obvious even when it is explained to you... Honestly, I've made an effort, you really are not helping.
This was not a debate or a proposition mate, this is a narrative fact. The arcs are based on conflict of strong values. Which is what politic is, period.
That is a big missunderstanding of the story mate.
The problem is that you are arguing that there is no politics in One Piece without even understanding what politics is in the first place.
Level of understanding of the story : Kindergarden.
Wrong, but even if it was the case, spoilers: good vs bad is a political conflict.
Really ?
I guess Queers are free when they are with other queers...
Just like the Requiem in D minor of Mozart is a simple music, it doesn't make it non impactfull. Simplicity is not synonymous of a lack of density or a lack of relevancy or a lack of impact or or a lack of quality. One Piece is a story that is structured actually pretty simply and that WHY its so effective to deliver a political message ! And in that domain, its extremely dense and powerfull.
If you think that Yamato accomplished nothing or was for nothing then you didn't understand the story of Yamato AT ALL.
No, I don't need to push anything, I just need to read correctly the story mate
A thing that you are failing to do...
No social classes ? Are you for real ? Didn't you read the entire flashback of Luffy ?
Dude, you are in complete denial. There are literally 5 classes of society when we take certains places into account...
The village of Syrup is quite literally made from low middle class people bruh... There is no factories in place, no signs of real struggles and the village is most likely surviving on trades with other islands and with the help of the family.
Worst example ever.
What is a "political evolved" ? Is that a new word ?
Indeed, which is why "national socialism" is not leftist and is not socialism. You are starting to understand the point.
See, a example of you thinking that a "liberty" can override people's right to live in peace.
Nop
Repoted post "that goes against my ideas" are posts that goes against the rules of the forum or internet rules and that mods actually don't notice as post that goes against said rules.
I'm here as a reminder. I do not censor. For example, I do not report you when you say some BS about the politics of One Piece. > That would be censorship.
Crypto fascism is a behavior that deliver fascist ideas undercover. A cryptofascist gov use therefore the same behavior but on a systemic scale.
The international court didn't say that there was no genocide. It urged Israel to not go farther in which case in would be a sign of obvious genocide. The investigation about the genocide in Gaza are still ungoing mate.
No, this is pure sexism and pure transphobia. But how could you understand?
You are talking about Bolsonaro ? The openly anti-gay and homophobic official ? This guy ?
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Those rumors are the proof that right now, its not safe to be trans and are literally extremely transphobic and dangerous. Because lets be objective: EVEN if those rumors were true and B.M is indeed a transgender, this wouldn't negate the fact that:
- She would still be a women
- People would have been calling out her without her consent (and a coming out for a trans person is synonym of danger)
It puts her in danger and it puts a target on trans people and sends the message that they are "scandals" that should be uncovered. Really, I mean that, this is not funny at all.
Really sadden that you can't even see the obvious even when it is explained to you... Honestly, I've made an effort, you really are not helping.
This was not a debate or a proposition mate, this is a narrative fact. The arcs are based on conflict of strong values. Which is what politic is, period.
That is a big missunderstanding of the story mate.
The problem is that you are arguing that there is no politics in One Piece without even understanding what politics is in the first place.
Level of understanding of the story : Kindergarden.
Wrong, but even if it was the case, spoilers: good vs bad is a political conflict.
Really ?
I guess Queers are free when they are with other queers...
Just like the Requiem in D minor of Mozart is a simple music, it doesn't make it non impactfull. Simplicity is not synonymous of a lack of density or a lack of relevancy or a lack of impact or or a lack of quality. One Piece is a story that is structured actually pretty simply and that WHY its so effective to deliver a political message ! And in that domain, its extremely dense and powerfull.
If you think that Yamato accomplished nothing or was for nothing then you didn't understand the story of Yamato AT ALL.
No, I don't need to push anything, I just need to read correctly the story mate
A thing that you are failing to do...
No social classes ? Are you for real ? Didn't you read the entire flashback of Luffy ?
Dude, you are in complete denial. There are literally 5 classes of society when we take certains places into account...
The village of Syrup is quite literally made from low middle class people bruh... There is no factories in place, no signs of real struggles and the village is most likely surviving on trades with other islands and with the help of the family.
Worst example ever.
What is a "political evolved" ? Is that a new word ?
Indeed, which is why "national socialism" is not leftist and is not socialism. You are starting to understand the point.
See, a example of you thinking that a "liberty" can override people's right to live in peace.
Nop
Repoted post "that goes against my ideas" are posts that goes against the rules of the forum or internet rules and that mods actually don't notice as post that goes against said rules.
I'm here as a reminder. I do not censor. For example, I do not report you when you say some BS about the politics of One Piece. > That would be censorship.
Crypto fascism is a behavior that deliver fascist ideas undercover. A cryptofascist gov use therefore the same behavior but on a systemic scale.
The international court didn't say that there was no genocide. It urged Israel to not go farther in which case in would be a sign of obvious genocide. The investigation about the genocide in Gaza are still ungoing mate.
No, this is pure sexism and pure transphobia. But how could you understand?
You are talking about Bolsonaro ? The openly anti-gay and homophobic official ? This guy ?
- She would still be a women
- People would have been calling out her without her consent (and a coming out for a trans person is synonym of danger)
It puts her in danger and it puts a target on trans people and sends the message that they are "scandals" that should be uncovered. Really, I mean that, this is not funny at all.
Really sadden that you can't even see the obvious even when it is explained to you... Honestly, I've made an effort, you really are not helping.
This was not a debate or a proposition mate, this is a narrative fact. The arcs are based on conflict of strong values. Which is what politic is, period.
That is a big missunderstanding of the story mate.
The problem is that you are arguing that there is no politics in One Piece without even understanding what politics is in the first place.
Level of understanding of the story : Kindergarden.
Wrong, but even if it was the case, spoilers: good vs bad is a political conflict.
Really ?
I guess Queers are free when they are with other queers...
Just like the Requiem in D minor of Mozart is a simple music, it doesn't make it non impactfull. Simplicity is not synonymous of a lack of density or a lack of relevancy or a lack of impact or or a lack of quality. One Piece is a story that is structured actually pretty simply and that WHY its so effective to deliver a political message ! And in that domain, its extremely dense and powerfull.
If you think that Yamato accomplished nothing or was for nothing then you didn't understand the story of Yamato AT ALL.
No, I don't need to push anything, I just need to read correctly the story mate
A thing that you are failing to do...
No social classes ? Are you for real ? Didn't you read the entire flashback of Luffy ?
Dude, you are in complete denial. There are literally 5 classes of society when we take certains places into account...
The village of Syrup is quite literally made from low middle class people bruh... There is no factories in place, no signs of real struggles and the village is most likely surviving on trades with other islands and with the help of the family.
Worst example ever.
What is a "political evolved" ? Is that a new word ?
Indeed, which is why "national socialism" is not leftist and is not socialism. You are starting to understand the point.
See, a example of you thinking that a "liberty" can override people's right to live in peace.
Nop
Repoted post "that goes against my ideas" are posts that goes against the rules of the forum or internet rules and that mods actually don't notice as post that goes against said rules.
I'm here as a reminder. I do not censor. For example, I do not report you when you say some BS about the politics of One Piece. > That would be censorship.
Crypto fascism is a behavior that deliver fascist ideas undercover. A cryptofascist gov use therefore the same behavior but on a systemic scale.
The international court didn't say that there was no genocide. It urged Israel to not go farther in which case in would be a sign of obvious genocide. The investigation about the genocide in Gaza are still ungoing mate.
No, this is pure sexism and pure transphobia. But how could you understand?
You are talking about Bolsonaro ? The openly anti-gay and homophobic official ? This guy ?
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Oxford dictionaire definition of politics "the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power." Not a conflict of strong values.
And most arcs doesn't even have this conflict. Shells Town is only about Morgan tiranny. Orange Town is about Buggy tiranny. Syrup is about Kuro's assassination plan. Baratie is the first one we have conflict which is about to fed pirates that can beat you later or not but still there is no much about it since it was just to develop Sanji, Zeff and Gin characters but still no politics. Only arc I remember something about politcs is Alabasta where there is the conflict of rebels and King Cobra but still it was all just a shadow of Crocodile true plan of searching Pluton. Then we had Fishmen Island where Luffy couldn't pick up a fight with Hody until he and his gang made their move and proved to be bad guys so Luffy could come out as a hero. This is politcs. Similar situation was Dressrosa.
I never argued that there was no politic at all. I questioned if we had any unlike people like to claim. I even admitted there is a bit of politic in some arcs and to explain the world structure. But far from heavily political as you want to claim and no relation with real life politics at all.
I agree. Simple is not bad. But your claim is exactly the opposite of how One Piece is so complex one cannot even see the "heavily implied" politcs of it. People are talking about power scale, about what happening, not about laws, institutions and stuff politc related.
Her story starts now that she is free and will travel around Wano.
It sucks when the poor doesn't go against the rich doesn't it?
Involved. Sorry my mistake.
Never said that. The existence of punishment doesn't guarantees ones to live in peace. The arabs fighting Israel knows pretty well about it.
To explain further what I mean is that you have other kind of punishment for example boycott.
Because only you know the ultimate truth and all others are wrong if they doesn't agree with you. That's every dictator mentallity.
Not saying that there is a genocide is essentially saying that there is not a genocide.
Yes. Like I said his children were accussed of being gay by the leftist. This is the same with Macron. Will you call it sexism and homophobia against Bolsonaro as well?
And most arcs doesn't even have this conflict. Shells Town is only about Morgan tiranny. Orange Town is about Buggy tiranny. Syrup is about Kuro's assassination plan. Baratie is the first one we have conflict which is about to fed pirates that can beat you later or not but still there is no much about it since it was just to develop Sanji, Zeff and Gin characters but still no politics. Only arc I remember something about politcs is Alabasta where there is the conflict of rebels and King Cobra but still it was all just a shadow of Crocodile true plan of searching Pluton. Then we had Fishmen Island where Luffy couldn't pick up a fight with Hody until he and his gang made their move and proved to be bad guys so Luffy could come out as a hero. This is politcs. Similar situation was Dressrosa.
I never argued that there was no politic at all. I questioned if we had any unlike people like to claim. I even admitted there is a bit of politic in some arcs and to explain the world structure. But far from heavily political as you want to claim and no relation with real life politics at all.
I agree. Simple is not bad. But your claim is exactly the opposite of how One Piece is so complex one cannot even see the "heavily implied" politcs of it. People are talking about power scale, about what happening, not about laws, institutions and stuff politc related.
Her story starts now that she is free and will travel around Wano.
It sucks when the poor doesn't go against the rich doesn't it?
Involved. Sorry my mistake.
Never said that. The existence of punishment doesn't guarantees ones to live in peace. The arabs fighting Israel knows pretty well about it.
To explain further what I mean is that you have other kind of punishment for example boycott.
Because only you know the ultimate truth and all others are wrong if they doesn't agree with you. That's every dictator mentallity.
Not saying that there is a genocide is essentially saying that there is not a genocide.
You are talking about Bolsonaro ? The openly anti-gay and homophobic official ? This guy ?
I guess we have different senses of humour
When humor makes fun of those who are oppressed, its usually very bad quality. Its when we start to make fun of oppressors or those who have the power than humor really starts to shine.
Its the difference between this:
Translation: "Ramadan in Gaza" "Start of the month of fasting" "No no no, not before sunset"
And this :
Case and point:
Rightist and centrist when they are given a encyclopedic explanation of a phenomenon:
"YoU sHoUld ChEcK ThE dEfInItIoN iN tHe DiCtIoNaRy"
"YoU sHoUld ChEcK ThE dEfInItIoN iN tHe DiCtIoNaRy"
Its much more than that mate, but I don't expect you to understand. For that you would need to be aware of the entire political status of the world.. and you are not even close.
Yes they do.
Which question the values of the character of Koby about what is right and what is wrong and what it is to be a good human being. Again : politic.
Which question Nami on the notion of piracy and make her understand that her values and not necessaraly in the right place. It also question the question of intervention in front of atrocities and the value of standing for what is right. Again, politic.
Which question the value of Usopp about the fear of standing up against tyranny. This is also an arc questionning the way we should treat people who work for us. Again, pvalues in conflict : politics.
An arc that puts two values in conflict : one that refuses to abandon his dream no matter what at the cost of his own life and one that is giving up his dream for the sake of others. Its also a reflection on the notion that material things are irrelevant when it comes for fighting for actual people and your actual dreams (which is why Luffy wants to destroy baratie). Its also a questionning on the fact that no matter the ennemy, no one deserve to be starved. Again, politic.
Which is an arc that is much more politic than you think in fact.
No, before that we had skypea and the questionning of colonization and land appropriations and how can two major nation brought together can coexist despite their history and differences. We also had the amazingly dense water seven saga that question the notion of standing up against unfair gov authorities, the notion of wistle blower in front of historical erasure, the importance of standing up against ignorance and oppression despite our status.. again, highly political.
And just before that you had Marineford that is literally a reflexion about the problematics of war, Impel down about the notions of pride and friendship despite oppression, Amazon lily about the fallout of slavery, Punk Hazard about the unethical usage of science and war crimes.. You missed a LOT mate.
Because you can't see it. But as a militant and a storyteller, I can assure you that One Piece is all about politic. It could be much more, but its already a lot. Much more than most shonen or manga, movies or series that are currently running in the storytelling industry today.
Yeah... that's EXACTLY my point. People are talking about powerscaling (which is cool) when discussions about One Piece could be MUCH MORE interesting. But this type of discussions are prevented by the rules of forums. This is why I'm advocating for less restrictive rules about political discussion about the story.
You are literally making my point for me here.
No, Yamato's story is over. You missed it.
Not necessaraly. If poor people can live happy lives without needs, there is no reason to go after those who have a little more ressources.
The reason why we go after the rich is because poor people can't live normal lives.
Against oppressors yes. We are talking about the right taken on the oppressed here.
No, I'm just more aware than most people here about the problem of transphobia and oppressions. Simple as that. If you don't see that sayin "a trans women is a man" is oppressive, its not me having a dictator mentality, its you having a lot of ignorance about what is transphobic or not.
No mate. Not at all.
Yes, by the homophobic far right.
Source please ?
If you give me a source yes. I'm not aware of every homophobic acts in the world.
a nutjob
why not both though?
humor making fun of those who are oppressed can be funny or not funny. it depends on the fucking joke, and well, on you, because its highly subjective whether you think something is funny or not.
my favorite german comedian had a catchphrase roughly translating to "every minority has a right to discrimination". and he made fun of everything and everyone.
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why not both though?
humor making fun of those who are oppressed can be funny or not funny. it depends on the fucking joke, and well, on you, because its highly subjective whether you think something is funny or not.
my favorite german comedian had a catchphrase roughly translating to "every minority has a right to discrimination". and he made fun of everything and everyone.
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Well ask yourself this question: Why is laughing about the misery less funny that laughing WITH the misery ? You should have some elements of response.
Not really. Unless you are unaware of said oppressions. In that case yes, it can be funny.
Which is just a way to show apolitism (and rightism by extention). Humor is an attack process. This means that attacking oppressed and oppressors equally shows that one consider them to be equal on the political balance and that they therefore deserved to be laughed at in the same way.
Just like stories, humor is an one of the biggest political tool that exist in the entertainment industry. Treating the two sides of the balance equally is a political act.
Not really. Unless you are unaware of said oppressions. In that case yes, it can be funny.
Which is just a way to show apolitism (and rightism by extention). Humor is an attack process. This means that attacking oppressed and oppressors equally shows that one consider them to be equal on the political balance and that they therefore deserved to be laughed at in the same way.
Just like stories, humor is an one of the biggest political tool that exist in the entertainment industry. Treating the two sides of the balance equally is a political act.
"attacking". maybe you are just a little bit too serious about fucking jokes lmfao.
and well who would have guessed, its right wing to you. *yawn*
the guy im talking about experienced oppression and still jokes about it. doing jokes like that can also raise awareness about hte oppression. its not necessarily an attack to make a joke, thats just you doing black/white nonsense all over again.
and well who would have guessed, its right wing to you. *yawn*
the guy im talking about experienced oppression and still jokes about it. doing jokes like that can also raise awareness about hte oppression. its not necessarily an attack to make a joke, thats just you doing black/white nonsense all over again.
Serdar Somuncu.
he also ran for chancellor with the brilliant slogan "warum nicht mal ein türke?" (why not a turk for once?)
every german speaking mofo, appreciate and enjoy the above
"germans have a historical responsibility to humour: everyone who doesnt laugh is a nazi"
this dude is fucking hilarious
he also ran for chancellor with the brilliant slogan "warum nicht mal ein türke?" (why not a turk for once?)
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every german speaking mofo, appreciate and enjoy the above
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"germans have a historical responsibility to humour: everyone who doesnt laugh is a nazi"
this dude is fucking hilarious
All that people who are offended by jokes can do is project. Something or someone has to be the butt of the joke or else it wouldn't be a joke in the first place. Reminds me of this comedian:
Brad Williams obviously makes a ton of little person jokes, and he spoke about how 99% of the people who tell him his jokes are offensive are non-little people. Just idiots getting offended on someone else's behalf, using their own feelings as a baseline for right and wrong.
Brad Williams obviously makes a ton of little person jokes, and he spoke about how 99% of the people who tell him his jokes are offensive are non-little people. Just idiots getting offended on someone else's behalf, using their own feelings as a baseline for right and wrong.
