But I value him zero and wish we would fire him because he is a child rapist.
Well in that case its another debate, it has nothing to do with the value in term of employability.


The far from Capitalism the closer to communism even if you aim to stay between. There is nothing besides that.
Not necessaraly mate, anarchism exist.


Not communist. Authoritarian.


You are hurting me with your ideas. Stop talking.
Nop


My problem with it is how random it actually would be.
Well.. random... How many random process do you know ?

:kayneshrug:


Well I don't know French people so can't tell. I've also heard that Chinese are also very political.
Well, in my knowledge, not so much. While people tends to invest time in the party, conflict of values (politic) is restrained.


This doesn't work even inside the house with your own family. Imagine in a country.
The comparison here is irrelevant, why are you speaking about the house ?


Like I said minimum wage is meant to create unemployment.
Still Nop, only in your nightmares.

Not everyone even completes high school. Even less college. Some people can't produce enough to be paid minimum wage therefore you won't get hired
Everyone can produce something in society. The notion that not everyone has values was forcefead to you by capitalist gourou and is a myth. Everyone has value in term of employability as long as you get people paid and give them enough consideration.

SO everyone deserve a minimum wage. But I would go farther. Everyone without even working deserve to be able to live normally so everyone deserve an universal wage. That's what we will do in the future.


This is specially prejudicial to Youngs trying to join the market and get their first job since you can see that most ads of hiring requires experience.
What is prejudicial for young people is the meritocracy that prevent them from getting oppoturnities. We must CRUSH this system to the ground, burn it and thrown it into the trash where it belongs.

And dude for God Sakes France has similar level as Brazil in unemployment.
Yes, because we have liberals in power.


You really want to destroy the country and see people miserable in poverty. All you care is about the few ones that will remain with the increased minimum wage while a lot more join the unemployment.
And you don't care enough about people.


Here in Brazil we had the political promise of nursery area to be raid their minimum wage. There are 2 "famous" nurses that made a video saying thanks to Bolsonaro for passing the bill but then saying they would vote for Lula because the two things were unrelated. And the end Lula got elected and removed the raise of their minimum wage. They got mad, protested but ended up without it which is a good thing but not before the employees got fired previously because they knew they wouldn't be able to afford the new wage. So like I said people got unemployment because of it.
Sorry, I don't know enough about Brazil to judge your situation, all I can say is beware of far right propagandist like Bolsonaro, they do not care about workers conditions. Like AT ALL.

In the United States, the late 19th-century ideas for favoring a minimum wage also coincided with the eugenics movement. As a consequence, some economists at the time, including Royal Meeker and Henry Rogers Seager, argued for the adoption of a minimum wage not only to support the worker, but to support their desired semi- and skilled laborers while forcing the undesired workers (including the idle, immigrants, women, racial minorities, and the disabled) out of the labor market. The result, over the longer term, would be to limit the nondesired workers' ability to earn money and have families, and thereby, remove them from the economists' ideal society.[20]
The minimum wage comes from a bit farther than that in Europe mate. And we were talking about France here, so lets not derail ourself.

Wtf? Then what will do the raise if production remains the same? You really knows nothing about economics.
Its the employees that creates value. In a sane political and economical environment, the productivity will rises naturally. But choosing to pay your employee well is a choice. A choice between the fact of you valuing more the well being of your employee than your productivity or the choice of valuing more the productivity than the well being of your employee.

What raises the salaries of the employee is therefore a political CHOICE. Always.


I'm saying that an employee that is more skilled is more valuable asset than others. And if there is a need to cut someone out than the less profitable will go.
There are indeed domain where skill is extremelly important (Scientific domain / Artistic domain etc.) but let's not make it like its the majority of the jobs, the majority of the jobs can be done extremelly well by anyone with a decent training. Anyone can be skilled as long as you train them well enough. So in majority, skill is just an excuse to treat the employee badly. Treat people well and they will return the favor.


Meritocracy does exists.
Not it doesn't. Its a scientific consensus mate.

It is not simple as just being skilled. I used just for example to be understood. Your skills has to be useful and today world (better start learning how to improve your work with AI you hater) and you need to learn how to sell yourself as a worker.

It is an insane statement to say that meritocracy doesn't work. If you don't work hard and study you won't be able to even get a job even less a good one.
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
What you guys don't understand is that to be able to learn a skill or even work is not something that is accessible to anyone. To know about some things is not accessible to anyone. In reality we are shaped by a lot more than just our skill and our effort and that's a sociological fact mate.

I've already explained that to you. Its time for you to understand now.

Learn about the cultural, economic and social capitals:

First, you need to understand that for Meritocracy to be real, exist or work. It would need the fact that those who fail in such a system (poor people mostly) are therefore DESERVING of their failure. Which is in of itself a very problematic stance to have.

Now, watch this (please, really watch this):


With this, you must now understand that there are different form of "capitals" that every person grow with and the fact that most of them are not related to the ammount of merit or effort that a person put in work. What is important here is that all those capitals will give more or less chances to people in life.

In short, no matter how strong or good they work, a factory worker will most likely NEVER become a Billionaire and a Billionnaire will most likely NEVER become a factory worker.

Merit, as the notion that effort is value and a social lift, is a simple MYTH. Its doesn't and will NEVER, EVER .... EEEEVER exist.

The point here here is that you and other pro capitalist here were forcefead the myth of merit because without this myth, the capitalist society will collapse on itself. And thats EXACTLY what we must do : End this myth and build a new type of society.

Be reminded:

You will NEVER understand how the world really works as long as you believe in the notion of meritocracy !

This post was actually a troll post if you didn't notice
Yes, I noticed don't worry. :shocking:


What is the reshape in its structure that police needs?
For example (just one of many) create structure of authority or failsafe that could prevent domestic abuser or rapist frm being protected by their hierachy or be in charge of files concerning domestic abuse or even be in touch with victims of abuse... (as it happens a lot in Police all over the world, we have a LARGE number of cases in France alone)


What is the big change in education of the police that it needs?
For example (one of many), educate the Police on the possible racist and sexist bias that can be problematic to do the job correctly (like racist identity checks for example, or the bad treatment of women and complain of abuse or rape... we could also educate the Police to be a little bit less violent.. and train them better and LONGER in order to not put noobies in situation of extreme stress where they can make a LOT of big and dangerous mistakes.

What kind of stressful situations that are not needed?
Like this one:

(one example out of a hundreds)

Or this one:
(one example out of a thousand)

Who says they are above the law?
Their formation. When the Police is formed to be a unquestionnable authority, they will believe that they are kings on earth.


Who are the bad apples?
You really want more examples ?

There are single heroes.
Nop, never was, never existed. Heroes exist because of people around them. Read One Piece for once.


the little boy who saved his sister from a dog attack
Good education : very good parents. The entire family is heroic.

Heroes don't materialize out of nothing.


But to change a whole society it can't be a one man job even if he is a dictator.
No. Like never in fact. Not even Dictators can change society alone.



Merit does exist. One thing has nothing to do with the other. You are just denying reality like you do when claiming your gender nonsense.
Never existed and will never exist. Sorry. You believe in a lie.


Bolsonaro is a hero. Trump is a hero
They are the farthest thing of being heroes. Mate. Your world view is completely twisted by lies, myth and desinformation.

You believe in a lot of nonsence, sorry for you.


those woke rights they believe workers should have
Damn... the despicable vision you have of workers, its disgusting.


I have zero value as a mechanic.
Zero value as truck driver.
My value lies in accounting, bookkeeping, and preparing bids.
Those are skill, not value. A value is immuable, a skill can be trained.


Did you ever work a job with other people?
Yup

And in everycase, when a person don't outskill other is for two reasons :
- Either they don't want to and have therefore a personnal reason not to give everything into their work
- Either they where not trained, secured, managed and respected well enough

I've see first hand the difference in two very different compagny (one very pressury and one very skill demanding) when someone ask you to do a job and they do not form you or treat you well)


He purposely tries to get aggressive responses for "right wing toxicity"
I'm actually trying to do the opposite. Lmao. I would love for people to be extremelly friendly with no right wing values here.

But Van loves to lies about me... that's kind of his thing with me. I think he likes me but doesn't want to give in :blush:.


It's hard for him to assume a moral high ground when he replies to you and has already looked like an ass with his premature assumptions.
See ? A love hate relationship
:shocking:
 
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Dont need to be a patriot for that tho. So im good ty
Yes you essentially need to. What is a patriot for you anyway.
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Not necessaraly mate, anarchism exist.
Anarchism has nothing to do with economical model. Their economic model would be capitalism too.

Not communist. Authoritarian.
They are essentially communist. The whole cold war is about them and stopping other countries to become communist as well.

Hypocrite.

Well.. random... How many random process do you know ?

:kayneshrug:
People may call it random but at the end they select specific people that they know will vote as they want.

Well, in my knowledge, not so much. While people tends to invest time in the party, conflict of values (politic) is restrained.
Brazil some people are complaining that the country is divided, I guess USA too, because more and more people started to care about politics. And it is funny because I grew up hearing that the problem of Brazilian as exactly that we didn't care about politics. Guess it is all about the side we choose (right wing growing so much).

The comparison here is irrelevant, why are you speaking about the house ?
Absurd to call it irrelevant the comparison is totally valid. If it doesn't work in a micro situation it would never work in a macro situation. This is simple logic.

Still Nop, only in your nightmares.
Again simple logic. If you can't pay someone for less than minimum wage than you can't employee that person meaning more unemployment. And is not like minimum wage guarantees better wage since there are many other factors and jobs that pays you more than that.

There is an episode of Everybody Hates Chris about this. Chris used to earn less than minimum wage working for Doc (because he was underage) and then he change jobs to get paid minimum wage and guess what? He learns about tax and at the end of the day get paid less than what he was being paid at Doc. This is what happens.

Everyone can produce something in society. The notion that not everyone has values was forcefead to you by capitalist gourou and is a myth. Everyone has value in term of employability as long as you get people paid and give them enough consideration.

SO everyone deserve a minimum wage. But I would go farther. Everyone without even working deserve to be able to live normally so everyone deserve an universal wage. That's what we will do in the future.
If everyone could produce something in society then we wouldn't have unemployment. Your argument is denied by reality.

Minimum wage doesn't guarantee you a minimum wage. Other factors does. And minimum wage could never be enough to live as you want it to be specially when the cost of living increases too much.

What is prejudicial for young people is the meritocracy that prevent them from getting oppoturnities. We must CRUSH this system to the ground, burn it and thrown it into the trash where it belongs.
First you say that meritocracy doesn't exist than you say that it needs to be crush and calls it a system? Meritocracy is reality dude you can't crush reality. You can't crush the laws of physics. Even in communist countries there is Meritocracy. A doctor in Cuba is paid more than a teacher because is a harder job. Of course the best job in Cuba are the ones you get in touch with tourists that tip you specially in dollar. So a baggage carry there has a wage lower than a doctor but earns more because of tips.

Yes, because we have liberals in power.
There you go. Because of leftists.

And you don't care enough about people.
I care much more than you do. I care about their economic health. That's my main focus. You only care about your delusional world that could never exist. You don't understand economics a shit to defend the shit you defend. All your economic ideas are tested around the world and proved to only cause poverty.

The minimum wage comes from a bit farther than that in Europe mate. And we were talking about France here, so lets not derail ourself.
A increase of 1% of minimum wage makes it harder to get a job by 4.6% in France.

https://www.nber.org/digest/apr98/minimum-wage-reduces-jobs-low-wage-workers-france-and-us

Its the employees that creates value. In a sane political and economical environment, the productivity will rises naturally. But choosing to pay your employee well is a choice. A choice between the fact of you valuing more the well being of your employee than your productivity or the choice of valuing more the productivity than the well being of your employee.

What raises the salaries of the employee is therefore a political CHOICE. Always.
You are completely unaware of what raises productivity. One employee has a limit of how much he can produce if technology doesn't change to make him more productive. Is not about a choice even less political.

And by the way, the choice you are talking about was already done by Ford when his workers stopped from working around 16h a day to work only 8h and only 5 days and then everybody else started to follow that system because of productivity. Politics did nothing to help this. It was a discovery made by an capitalist entrepreneur.

Not it doesn't. Its a scientific consensus mate.
Your headcannon is not science.

What you guys don't understand is that to be able to learn a skill or even work is not something that is accessible to anyone. To know about some things is not accessible to anyone. In reality we are shaped by a lot more than just our skill and our effort and that's a sociological fact mate.

I've already explained that to you. Its time for you to understand now.

Learn about the cultural, economic and social capitals:

First, you need to understand that for Meritocracy to be real, exist or work. It would need the fact that those who fail in such a system (poor people mostly) are therefore DESERVING of their failure. Which is in of itself a very problematic stance to have.
That's when internet comes in to make knowledge accessible to more and more people. Like I always said technology helping to make the world better. Never politicians. Your cultural and social capitals is only to explain to you that people are different and can never be equal so there will never be equal opportunities equal salary equal way of living etc.

Merit, as the notion that effort is value and a social lift, is a simple MYTH. Its doesn't and will NEVER, EVER .... EEEEVER exist.
Again continues being a ridiculous statement. If you work harder you are paid more. If you work smarter you are paid more. If you study to learn new skills you will be able to be more productive and will be paid more. That's merit. If you open a company and succeed you will be paid more. That's merit. If you open a company and fails you will lose a lot of money. That's merit. It is absurd the idea of this being a myth to only cross your mind. This is like saying the flat is earth. The gravity doesn't exist.

For example (just one of many) create structure of authority or failsafe that could prevent domestic abuser or rapist frm being protected by their hierachy or be in charge of files concerning domestic abuse or even be in touch with victims of abuse... (as it happens a lot in Police all over the world, we have a LARGE number of cases in France alone)
Please explain better. You are saying that in France there is police that are abusers condemned and they still work on those cases?

For example (one of many), educate the Police on the possible racist and sexist bias that can be problematic to do the job correctly (like racist identity checks for example, or the bad treatment of women and complain of abuse or rape... we could also educate the Police to be a little bit less violent.. and train them better and LONGER in order to not put noobies in situation of extreme stress where they can make a LOT of big and dangerous mistakes.
This already exists. They try to favor a woman cop to check a woman for drugs and weapons for example if possible. Racism is something that everyones knows about it since they are kid. And there is no way of a beginner to learn how to act in a stressful situation if he doesn't go through one.


So the police maintaining order and the civilians going against it. The women threatened the police and paid for it (she even says to shoot her. Absurd) and the riots of France destroying the city just like the riots of the left here in Brazil. When the right protest it is pacific so nothing like that happens. See the difference?


Their formation. When the Police is formed to be a unquestionnable authority, they will believe that they are kings on earth.
Wrong. They are well aware they are under the law. Of course when there is corruption and lack of punishment this doesn't exist. To me the best solution to prevent that is the camera on their uniform. Police will break the law like any citizen will but at least they will pay for it like every citizen.

You really want more examples ?
Yes. How you will say who is the bad apples in order to remove them.

Nop, never was, never existed. Heroes exist because of people around them. Read One Piece for once.
Wtf dude.

Good education : very good parents. The entire family is heroic.

Heroes don't materialize out of nothing.
Yes because we live in society. But he is still a hero.

Never existed and will never exist. Sorry. You believe in a lie.
You believe in a dream world that can never exist.

They are the farthest thing of being heroes. Mate. Your world view is completely twisted by lies, myth and desinformation.

You believe in a lot of nonsence, sorry for you.
Bolsonaro shaped the country for far better. Made many important restructures to make Brazil a more serious country than it is right now that a criminal was put in charge.

And Trump I can't tell much about the inside but at least outside he didn't initiate any wars like the previous USA presidents. Russia didn't invaded Ukraine under his command. This is already enough to be called a hero.

Damn... the despicable vision you have of workers, its disgusting.
I love workers. Right now they are all against those rights because the corrupted governament wants to force them those rights only so they can be charged taxes too. Guess what? They don't want any right because they make more money without them. I care about workers. You don't. You don't even want to listen them.
 
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Anarchism has nothing to do with economical model. Their economic model would be capitalism too.
I wasn't talking only about economy. Capitalism is not only an economic system, its a social one as well.


They are essentially communist
They could call themself communist, but the system wasn't and what they did wasn't.

Genocide denier.

People may call it random but at the end they select specific people that they know will vote as they want.
Random means random. It doesn't mean selected on specific attribute.


Absurd to call it irrelevant the comparison is totally valid. If it doesn't work in a micro situation it would never work in a macro situation. This is simple logic.
You are applying a economic strategy and system that was economicaly quantified and demonstrated (all the economic solutions of LFI) to the situation a house with 3 to 6 people. This is nonsense and this has nothing to do with the subject


If you can't pay someone for less than minimum wage than you can't employee that person meaning more unemployment.
If you can't pay someone the minimum wage, don't start a compagny to begin with. Minimum wage is not an option.


This is what happens.
In bad societies yes. Start paying people more and they will be able to pay their taxes correctly and live happily.


If everyone could produce something in society then we wouldn't have unemployment
Unemployement is not here because of the value and producing power of people, its here because of a mad management, the belief in meritocracy and very questionniable economic politics.


Minimum wage doesn't guarantee you a minimum wage
Yes it does. At least in my country, that's the law. If you pay me less... you will have some problems.


And minimum wage could never be enough to live as you want it to be specially when the cost of living increases too much.
Indeed, minimum wage is not enough. That's why we need to raise it, tax rich people more and redistribute the ressources.


First you say that meritocracy doesn't exist than you say that it needs to be crush and calls it a system?
Because meritocracy doesn't exist doesn't mean that the system, that believe meritocracy do exist, does not exist. We need to crush the BELIEF and the system that is perpetuating that belief.


Meritocracy is reality dude you can't crush reality
Actually its not. Sorry. Watch the damn video and EDUCATE yourself.


You can't crush the laws of physics.
Meritocracy is not physics or science, its the opposite, its a myth. A story to keep you believing in the hope that you can become one day a billionaire just because of you efforts and work. If you still believe that after being explained why its a lie and why it does not exist, then you are lost.

Even in communist countries there is Meritocracy.
Again, there is no such things as communist country in the world.


A doctor in Cuba is paid more than a teacher because is a harder job.
Tell that to teachers in high difficulty area. You don't understand what is hard and what is not. Because someone has knowledge doesn't mean its hard.

Following your logic (that you don't understand yourself), people working on construction site, lifting tons of metal pipes concretes should be millionaires.

There you go. Because of leftists.
Liberals believe in meritocracy, just like you. They are therefore rightist, just like you. Once again, you missed your shot.

I care much more than you do
If that was the case, you wouldn't deny a genocide right now. You don't care about people, you only care about your beliefs.


All your economic ideas are tested around the world and proved to only cause poverty.
Actually, its your ideas that are provocking poverty mate. Its capitalism and the belief in merits that are in the systems right now. YOUR ideologies, YOUR poisons. Not mine :)


A increase of 1% of minimum wage makes it harder to get a job by 4.6% in France.

https://www.nber.org/digest/apr98/minimum-wage-reduces-jobs-low-wage-workers-france-and-us
"reduced their probability of keeping their job by 4.6 percent "
Not the same thing.

In your logic its the minimum wage the problem. In the actual reality of the article, it (WAS) most likely due to the employer.

The reality is that minimum wage has positive effects:

https://www.restud.com/1511-2/
https://sp2.upenn.edu/study-increas...-and-other-highly-concentrated-labor-markets/

But hey.. keep dreaming of slavery..


Is not about a choice even less political.
Its all about a political choice. If you are not capable of paying your emplyee well, don't create a compagny to begin with. People deserve to be paid and productivity can only SANELY increase by paying people well. PERIOD.


And by the way, the choice you are talking about was already done by Ford when his workers stopped from working around 16h a day to work only 8h and only 5 days and then everybody else started to follow that system because of productivity.
A political choice are most of the time done because it works. And most of the time they are not made not because it doesn't work but because people still believe in BS systems like meritocracy. The choice to change and better the lives of the worker was political and don't worry that a lot of people before Ford talked about that.

Your headcannon is not science.
Science is science. If you don't trust it based on nothing but your beliefs, you are ignorant. Simple as that.

In the domain of meritocracy, you are COMPLETELY IGNORANT.. So start humbling yourself and start listening to actual scientists.


That's when internet comes in to make knowledge accessible to more and more people.
Actually Internet is part of the cultural capital. Not everyone starts with the same capital on this field. For example, an old person will most likely have VERY LITTLE knowledge about internet. So they are by nature defavorized when it comes to technological related work opportunities.


Your cultural and social capitals is only to explain to you that people are different and can never be equal so there will never be equal opportunities equal salary equal way of living etc.
Damn, you really didn't listen or understand at all... This is really demoralizing.

No this is not to explain that people are different. This is made to explains why people will have different chances in life because of their capitals.

The point of this explanation is to explain why our current system doesn't work and why we must CHANGE IT.

If you work harder you are paid more.
Damn, you look like a cultist member, completely matrixed by the lie of the gourou..

Ok. Let's prove it. Working hard pays more, then this means that you can become a millionaire if you work hard. So
Go tell to a factory worker that they can become millionnaire if they work hard.

No, BETTER ! I challenge you to become a Billionnaire before the end of the year! If you are unable to do that, you will have proven that working hard is just not enough and that merit is myth. Deal ? After all, if merit exist, there is no reason that you can prevail, right ?

If you study to learn new skills you will be able to be more productive and will be paid more.
Yes, but what you completely fail to understand, is that working habbit of studying is a social construct and not everyone is armed the same way in front of that. In some social circle, studying is seen as something very bad or time consuming. You also completely ignore that some people just don't have the time to study and have other things to do with their life.

So like always with rightist, your point of view is the one of a priviledge kid that already started with some form of capitals in life. But hey, lets see if you can still become a Billionnaire beacuse of your skill and merit !


hat's merit. If you open a company and succeed you will be paid more. That's merit.
Sure.. I'm sure the construction worker that work 12 hours a day, has 3 kids and no partner has a LOT of time and opportunity to open a company and succeed Einstein..

Again, check your priviledges.


It is absurd the idea of this being a myth to only cross your mind.
That's just science mate. And its sad that you choose to stay ignorant..


This is like saying the flat is earth. The gravity doesn't exist.
Indeed, you are acting like a flat earther right now.. Completely denying scientific researches..

But its not the first time that your are denying obvious sh*ts..


Please explain better. You are saying that in France there is police that are abusers condemned and they still work on those cases?
No. I say that there are abusers that are NOT prosecured because they are PROTECTED by their hierarchy and this happens all over the world (France is actually not the worst example). THere are also example where person who were prosecuted came back in the police and are in charge of file concerning domestic abuse. There is a documentary in French about that:

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/replay-...and-l-agresseur-porte-l-uniforme_6161028.html


This already exists.
Sadly, not like it should no.


And there is no way of a beginner to learn how to act in a stressful situation if he doesn't go through one.
That's what training is for dude. You don't throw someone in stressfull situation when they weren'et properly trained, and in most country, taht's what happens.


So the police maintaining order and the civilians going against it.
This is not an excuse. A women shouldn't be shot even if she displays a threatening behavior. This wouldn't was having a mental crisis.


and the riots of France destroying the city just like the riots
We are not talking about riots here. We are talking about peacefull prostest being smacked down by the police force. Don't try to act ignorant here.


When the right protest it is pacific so nothing like that happens. See the difference?
Yeah, you defintely didn't see peacefull protest in France.


Wrong. They are well aware they are under the law. Of course when there is corruption and lack of punishment this doesn't exist. To me the best solution to prevent that is the camera on their uniform. Police will break the law like any citizen will but at least they will pay for it like every citizen.
Power corrupt mate. Your are not a child, I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Police is formed with the notion that they have the ultimate power, they will therefore be corrupted by it. Its simple logic.


Yes. How you will say who is the bad apples in order to remove them.
By investigating the police in detail. Simple.


Read One Piece. Heroes are not created by themselves.


Yes because we live in society. But he is still a hero.
Again, its the system that is heroic in that case. The boy is the result of such system.

You believe in a dream world that can never exist.
Mate.. its you a believe in something that can't happen. You believe in meritocracy. Its your lifeline and its a myth. I'm not the one believing in fairytales, you are.


Bolsonaro shaped the country for far better.
Not really no.


And Trump I can't tell much about the inside but at least outside he didn't initiate any wars like the previous USA presidents. Russia didn't invaded Ukraine under his command. This is already enough to be called a hero.
He helped Russia gained more influence and power.. Good.. Now we are screwed. Good job Trumpy.


If that was the case, you wouldn't fight against minimal wage, you are a hypocrite.


They don't want any right because they make more money without them
Despicable.


You don't even want to listen them.
Sadly for you... I do. You prefer to listen to billionnaire and their myth.. But hey.. maybe they are workers for you.
 

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Hah I hope The American Society of Magical Negroes flops.
The chances are high it will because it appears most people don't enjoy watching shows they deem as woke. I hadn't even heard of this film until now, I don't think, so I don't know the context of the film besides a quick read through its wiki.

People just want movies and shows that don't push a political narrative they can enjoy because most people use entertainment to escape those things, not be beat over the head with it.
 
The chances are high it will because it appears most people don't enjoy watching shows they deem as woke. I hadn't even heard of this film until now, I don't think, so I don't know the context of the film besides a quick read through its wiki.

People just want movies and shows that don't push a political narrative they can enjoy because most people use entertainment to escape those things, not be beat over the head with it.
I've heard it's a discounted Harry Potter etc...
 
most people don't enjoy watching shows they deem as woke
Like One Piece ?
Like Arcane ?
Like Halo ?
Like Doctor Who ?
Like Umbrella academy ?
Like Andor ?
Like Loki ?
Like What If ?
Like Jessica Jones ?

All those shows : Woke as F.

:kata:

Do you feel like most people don't watch them or don't talk about them ?
 
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GodMommie
Like One Piece ?
Like Arcane ?
Like Halo ?
Like Doctor Who ?
Like Umbrella academy ?
Like Andor ?
Like Loki ?
Like Wanda Vision ?
Like What If ?
Like Jessica Jones ?
Like Thor Ragnarok ?
Like Black Panther ?

All those shows : Woke as F.

:kata:

Do you feel like most people don't watch them or don't talk about them ?
What do you believe makes something woke?
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How I see it, something isn't woke because it depicts what is in life. What makes it woke is when its sole purpose is to force a narrative onto people. It forces roles that don't make sense in certain spaces in the name of diversity, not showing diversity because it's part of life.
 
What do you believe makes something woke?
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How I see it, something isn't woke because it depicts what is in life. What makes it woke is when its sole purpose is to force a narrative onto people. It forces roles that don't make sense in certain spaces in the name of diversity, not showing diversity because it's part of life.
Don't interact with him.

He thinks One Piece is woke where female characters have incredible little relevance, are ONLY HOT if they are important (Except big meme).
Then a bunch of mindless media created for children or mental children like marvel drones that only eat and regurgitate what is popular nowadays.
 
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What do you believe makes something woke?
Well first, I have to come back on what I said, especially on most Marvel Shows (I'll keep Loki and Jessica Jones) I was talking about them as I remember them but after consideration and the video I will link to you later, nah.. those one were not "Woke" at all.

"Woke" means having a certain level of understanding of the oppressions in society and the understanding of the actions needed to fight them efficiantly.

It can be through the story or through good representations. It depends.

:kayneshrug:

The reason why people don't like "woke shit" is not because there are "woke shit". Its because :

- First, stories are bad
- Second, because "woke" struggles are used by liberals to depoliticize the representations and situations. In others words, the subject or representation that are supposed to have a political impact in the story appears as completely empty of substance and therefore irritating, and the more Liberals want to make a message go through, the worst they will treat the struggle and the more they will try to depoliticize it.

Look for example at Andor. You could say that this is one of the most radical leftist show on Disney +. Its literally an antifascist show explaining why fascism is awful and done by very human people. And yet.. did you see any backlash aside from Star Wars fans who didn't get enough lightsaber ?

None. This show was deemed a success by fans and critics. In fact it might be objectively one of the best show of 2022 and yet it forces a very strong antifascist and antiliberal narrative.

The point is that woke shit or leftism are not the problem. The problem are liberals who hijack the struggle against oppressions to make some money and very bad stories.

Once again...

The problem is the depolitization of a story and the inclusion of liberal values inside it.

You may have notice that Marvel shows are usually said to be "woke"... well there is a reason for that. SuperHero, because of their essence tends to lean very heavily toward liberalism and therefore the depolitization of messages.

Here are two of the best videos essays explaining this phenomenon:

(This one is the most complete because it dive deep into the origin of the problem)

(This one is a little bit more accessible)

I HIGHLY suggest you to watch at least one of those video (even at 1.5 speed if you want), they are REALLY important.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
A movie, show or video game is woke when they force current political agendas at the expense of characters and story. Entertainment is supposed to be a form of escapism and pull you into their world, with themes being allegorical of real life issues at best. Often exaggerated for dramatic or satirical effect. Woke entertainment remove all escapism and shove current issues in your face in a preachy manner.

A perfect example is the animated Mulan vs lie action Mulan. Both are about gender issues and female empowerment. Difference is that the animated version is an entertaining masterpiece while the live action is a shitty woke disaster.
 
A movie, show or video game is woke when they force current political agendas at the expense of characters and story
No lol.

That's not what "woke" means. Being woke means being aware of systemic oppressions and how to fight them. So woke that force political agenda at the expanse of character and story are not necessaraly woke (mostly are not), they are just mostly bad.


Entertainment is supposed to be a form of escapism and pull you into their world
Never was, never will be.

Entertainment was constructed as a way to observe society.


Woke entertainment remove all escapism and shove current issues in your face in a preachy manner
Like Andor ? Like One Piece ? Like Doctor who ? lol

Not really ...

And yet, the issues are pushed in your faces like a face in a cake


while the live action is a shitty woke disaster
A pink washed LIBERAL disaster mate* Again, not woke in any way
 
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