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Like One Piece ?
Like Arcane ?
Like Halo ?
Like Doctor Who ?
Like Umbrella academy ?
Like Andor ?
Like Loki ?
Like Wanda Vision ?
Like What If ?
Like Jessica Jones ?
Like Thor Ragnarok ?
Like Black Panther ?
All those shows : Woke as F.
Do you feel like most people don't watch them or don't talk about them ?
Like Arcane ?
Like Halo ?
Like Doctor Who ?
Like Umbrella academy ?
Like Andor ?
Like Loki ?
Like Wanda Vision ?
Like What If ?
Like Jessica Jones ?
Like Thor Ragnarok ?
Like Black Panther ?
All those shows : Woke as F.
Do you feel like most people don't watch them or don't talk about them ?
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How I see it, something isn't woke because it depicts what is in life. What makes it woke is when its sole purpose is to force a narrative onto people. It forces roles that don't make sense in certain spaces in the name of diversity, not showing diversity because it's part of life.
Don't interact with him.
He thinks One Piece is woke where female characters have incredible little relevance, are ONLY HOT if they are important (Except big meme).
Then a bunch of mindless media created for children or mental children like marvel drones that only eat and regurgitate what is popular nowadays.
He thinks One Piece is woke where female characters have incredible little relevance, are ONLY HOT if they are important (Except big meme).
Then a bunch of mindless media created for children or mental children like marvel drones that only eat and regurgitate what is popular nowadays.
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Well first, I have to come back on what I said, especially on most Marvel Shows (I'll keep Loki and Jessica Jones) I was talking about them as I remember them but after consideration and the video I will link to you later, nah.. those one were not "Woke" at all.
"Woke" means having a certain level of understanding of the oppressions in society and the understanding of the actions needed to fight them efficiantly.
It can be through the story or through good representations. It depends.
The reason why people don't like "woke shit" is not because there are "woke shit". Its because :
- First, stories are bad
- Second, because "woke" struggles are used by liberals to depoliticize the representations and situations. In others words, the subject or representation that are supposed to have a political impact in the story appears as completely empty of substance and therefore irritating, and the more Liberals want to make a message go through, the worst they will treat the struggle and the more they will try to depoliticize it.
Look for example at Andor. You could say that this is one of the most radical leftist show on Disney +. Its literally an antifascist show explaining why fascism is awful and done by very human people. And yet.. did you see any backlash aside from Star Wars fans who didn't get enough lightsaber ?
None. This show was deemed a success by fans and critics. In fact it might be objectively one of the best show of 2022 and yet it forces a very strong antifascist and antiliberal narrative.
The point is that woke shit or leftism are not the problem. The problem are liberals who hijack the struggle against oppressions to make some money and very bad stories.
Once again...
The problem is the depolitization of a story and the inclusion of liberal values inside it.
You may have notice that Marvel shows are usually said to be "woke"... well there is a reason for that. SuperHero, because of their essence tends to lean very heavily toward liberalism and therefore the depolitization of messages.
Here are two of the best videos essays explaining this phenomenon:
(This one is the most complete because it dive deep into the origin of the problem)
(This one is a little bit more accessible)
I HIGHLY suggest you to watch at least one of those video (even at 1.5 speed if you want), they are REALLY important.
"Woke" means having a certain level of understanding of the oppressions in society and the understanding of the actions needed to fight them efficiantly.
It can be through the story or through good representations. It depends.
The reason why people don't like "woke shit" is not because there are "woke shit". Its because :
- First, stories are bad
- Second, because "woke" struggles are used by liberals to depoliticize the representations and situations. In others words, the subject or representation that are supposed to have a political impact in the story appears as completely empty of substance and therefore irritating, and the more Liberals want to make a message go through, the worst they will treat the struggle and the more they will try to depoliticize it.
Look for example at Andor. You could say that this is one of the most radical leftist show on Disney +. Its literally an antifascist show explaining why fascism is awful and done by very human people. And yet.. did you see any backlash aside from Star Wars fans who didn't get enough lightsaber ?
None. This show was deemed a success by fans and critics. In fact it might be objectively one of the best show of 2022 and yet it forces a very strong antifascist and antiliberal narrative.
The point is that woke shit or leftism are not the problem. The problem are liberals who hijack the struggle against oppressions to make some money and very bad stories.
Once again...
The problem is the depolitization of a story and the inclusion of liberal values inside it.
You may have notice that Marvel shows are usually said to be "woke"... well there is a reason for that. SuperHero, because of their essence tends to lean very heavily toward liberalism and therefore the depolitization of messages.
Here are two of the best videos essays explaining this phenomenon:
(This one is the most complete because it dive deep into the origin of the problem)
(This one is a little bit more accessible)
I HIGHLY suggest you to watch at least one of those video (even at 1.5 speed if you want), they are REALLY important.
A movie, show or video game is woke when they force current political agendas at the expense of characters and story. Entertainment is supposed to be a form of escapism and pull you into their world, with themes being allegorical of real life issues at best. Often exaggerated for dramatic or satirical effect. Woke entertainment remove all escapism and shove current issues in your face in a preachy manner.
A perfect example is the animated Mulan vs lie action Mulan. Both are about gender issues and female empowerment. Difference is that the animated version is an entertaining masterpiece while the live action is a shitty woke disaster.
A perfect example is the animated Mulan vs lie action Mulan. Both are about gender issues and female empowerment. Difference is that the animated version is an entertaining masterpiece while the live action is a shitty woke disaster.
No lol.
That's not what "woke" means. Being woke means being aware of systemic oppressions and how to fight them. So woke that force political agenda at the expanse of character and story are not necessaraly woke (mostly are not), they are just mostly bad.
Never was, never will be.
Entertainment was constructed as a way to observe society.
Like Andor ? Like One Piece ? Like Doctor who ? lol
Not really ...
And yet, the issues are pushed in your faces like a face in a cake
A pink washed LIBERAL disaster mate* Again, not woke in any way
That's not what "woke" means. Being woke means being aware of systemic oppressions and how to fight them. So woke that force political agenda at the expanse of character and story are not necessaraly woke (mostly are not), they are just mostly bad.
Never was, never will be.
Entertainment was constructed as a way to observe society.
Like Andor ? Like One Piece ? Like Doctor who ? lol
Not really ...
And yet, the issues are pushed in your faces like a face in a cake
A pink washed LIBERAL disaster mate* Again, not woke in any way
depends on the context with the guy. with the term "woman" for example, the "past meaning" (and still current one tbh) is evil far right transphobic rhetoric.
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i do occasionally agree with him and even recently liked one of his posts
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i do occasionally agree with him and even recently liked one of his posts
depends on the context with the guy. with the term "woman" for example, the "past meaning" (and still current one tbh) is evil far right transphobic rhetoric.
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i do occasionally agree with him and even recently liked one of his posts
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i do occasionally agree with him and even recently liked one of his posts
But people here are not judging me on that behavior since they have the same.. in reality, what people don't like is my vision that challenge 99% of the ones of the fanbase here.
But in reality.. I'm not even that radical. What I say are actually pretty much normie leftist things.
You see.. if the staff of this forum was truly abiding by its rules, your post would be noted as transphobia and modified. But since we are on a liberal leaning forum, the staff will refuse any politization of the notion of transphobia and will therefore restrict the notion to the most obvious iterations of the oppression.
And there will therefore be no consequences to your post
I just typed half of a lengthy response to describe how what he deems as woke, most anti-woke people don't consider woke, but then I got tired.
So I'm just going to say I'm right and pretend everyone accepts that.
So I'm just going to say I'm right and pretend everyone accepts that.
I admit that my trolly and pushy side can be a deterant..
But people here are not judging me on that behavior since they have the same.. in reality, what people don't like is my vision that challenge 99% of the ones of the fanbase here.
But in reality.. I'm not even that radical. What I say are actually pretty much normie leftist things.
You see.. if the staff of this forum was truly abiding by its rules, your post would be noted as transphobia and modified. But since we are on a liberal leaning forum, the staff will refuse any politization of the notion of transphobia and will therefore restrict the notion to the most obvious iterations of the oppression.
Did you watch one of the video ?
But people here are not judging me on that behavior since they have the same.. in reality, what people don't like is my vision that challenge 99% of the ones of the fanbase here.
But in reality.. I'm not even that radical. What I say are actually pretty much normie leftist things.
You see.. if the staff of this forum was truly abiding by its rules, your post would be noted as transphobia and modified. But since we are on a liberal leaning forum, the staff will refuse any politization of the notion of transphobia and will therefore restrict the notion to the most obvious iterations of the oppression.
Did you watch one of the video ?