Character Discussion Borsalino "Yellow Monkey" - The Ultimate Soldier (Strongest Marine?!)

Is he the Ultimate Soldier?

  • AWW HELLLLL YEAAA HE IS

    Votes: 17 27.0%
  • YUHH

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • Yea

    Votes: 1 1.6%
  • No

    Votes: 40 63.5%
  • I don't fuckin know bruh

    Votes: 4 6.3%

  • Total voters
    63
-Look at comments in thread about Kizaru
-"KUZAN HAS GARP LEVEL PUNCHING!!! SO STRONG!!! MY GOAT!!!"
:kriwhat:
Well, to be honest It was not my fault that someone started here a YC1=Admiral talking again and asked for prof of the opposite.

But anyway, Kizaru GOAT. My favourite Admiral since forever.
You'll see his full Power, named moves, Awakening and haki when he will turn at the end of the arc :ace:
 
Are you hoping Kizaru doesn't have awakening? Just curious.
If you're implying I have a hidden agenda against him, then no, I just genuinely believe his mindset doesn't match his fruit.
The strength is there, though, I have no problem admitting he's strong enough for it, but he's kind of slow and takes his time with some stuff often.
I could care less if he actually does have it and wasn't using it on Luffy, it won't affect my powerscaling of them too much, just makes the diff higher.
But I just genuinely believe he can't awaken his fruit, though the other Admirals likely have (Punk Hazard seems to be a result of Awakening).
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
If you're implying I have a hidden agenda against him, then no, I just genuinely believe his mindset doesn't match his fruit.
The strength is there, though, I have no problem admitting he's strong enough for it, but he's kind of slow and takes his time with some stuff often.
I could care less if he actually does have it and wasn't using it on Luffy, it won't affect my powerscaling of them too much, just makes the diff higher.
But I just genuinely believe he can't awaken his fruit, though the other Admirals likely have (Punk Hazard seems to be a result of Awakening).
So you genuinely believe what you have seen from Kizaru atm was his full power? And having an entire awakening (or just an extra gear in general) on top of that outside of your calculations won't really change where you place him? That's odd to say the least.
 
So you genuinely believe what you have seen from Kizaru atm was his full power? And having an entire awakening (or just an extra gear in general) on top of that outside of your calculations won't really change where you place him? That's odd to say the least.
I mean, it's not crazy to think this is his full power.
Oda didn't make him look like an absolute clown or anything, he still had him perform very well against Snakeman and make Luffy use G5 to keep up with his speed and what not.
He didn't seem to be holding back on Luffy, it just seemed like Luffy was strong enough to handle his abilities and eventually "defeat" him with Star Gun (clearly wasn't a real defeat, but it showed us he had the power to put him down for a couple minutes without needing a whole lot of time), which was a ridiculously powerful attack.
So if this is the end of his feats for Egghead, then I don't mind. He had some great showings, and even though he seems inferior to Luffy, that's nothing to mope about, Luffy is the MC and a newly appointed Yonko after all.
 

TheKnightOfTheSea

𝕷𝖔𝖗𝖉 𝖔𝖋 𝕸𝖔𝖔𝖓'𝖘 𝕾𝖕𝖆𝖜𝖓
Expectation:

Reality:

Side note: Still can't believe Kuzan actually matched Garp in punching, that is something no one could have predicted in a million years. Forget Kuzan a df reliant logia top tier, not even a physical specimen like Kaidou would even come close to matching Garp the Fist in a punch off, and yet Oda drew Kuzan out of nowhere as a Garp level puncher. Insanely underrated reveal.
I know

And apparently we're supposed to believe unrestricted Kuzan is YC1 level

Lol
 
Well, to be honest It was not my fault that someone started here a YC1=Admiral talking again and asked for prof of the opposite.

But anyway, Kizaru GOAT. My favourite Admiral since forever.
You'll see his full Power, named moves, Awakening and haki when he will turn at the end of the arc :ace:
I think it's YC1 < (or <<) Admirals < Yonko
It's clear that no YC1 is pushing an Admiral past low diff, though. Besides maybe King because of his Lunarian abilities.
 
Look at comments in thread about Kizaru
-"KUZAN HAS GARP LEVEL PUNCHING!!! SO STRONG!!! MY GOAT!!!"
You are right, they should've focused on Kizaru bitching Snakeman across entire island like it was slow Thursday or fucking around with Gear 5 until Luffy reached his limit to show Kizaru is far above YRH
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I think it's YC1 < (or <<) Admirals < Yonko
It's clear that no YC1 is pushing an Admiral past low diff, though. Besides maybe King because of his Lunarian abilities.
You don't count Beckman and Zoro there, right?
 
You don't count Beckman and Zoro there, right?
Yeah, I too, when talking about It, refer to "normal" YC1 (Marco, King, Kata and so on).

Just to say one obvious thing, Ray for example Is not an YC1 in that sense, even if he Is technically Roger's crew YC1.
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I think it's YC1 < (or <<) Admirals < Yonko
It's clear that no YC1 is pushing an Admiral past low diff, though. Besides maybe King because of his Lunarian abilities.
And I really hope and the end of the arc we could see Kizaru going 100% whitout holding anything back. That could finally be the time, if Oda wants.
 
And I really hope and the end of the arc we could see Kizaru going 100% whitout holding anything back. That could finally be the time, if Oda wants.
There's a good chance he just gets sidelined and we see him go all out 1-2 arcs later.

Similar to Big Mom at WCI, nerfed by internal struggle.
 
There's a good chance he just gets sidelined and we see him go all out 1-2 arcs later.

Similar to Big Mom at WCI, nerfed by internal struggle.
It's surely possibile, but I got the feeling this Is his last standing. He received a strong narrative attention, even psicological (and before this arc no one, really no one would have tought Kizaru could have been this deep), and I think after VP's message he will flip.

I see him dying the end of the arc, doing a big last standing against the Gorosei.
 
It's surely possibile, but I got the feeling this Is his last standing. He received a strong narrative attention, even psicological (and before this arc no one, really no one would have tought Kizaru could have been this deep), and I think after VP's message he will flip.

I see him dying the end of the arc, doing a big last standing against the Gorosei.
I get how it makes sense for a character, but it will be completely assinine if the top tier that got introduced in first half of the manga doesn't get a proper full 1v1 fight before he dies or returns to irrelevancy
 
Don't sleep too much on Beckman (by portrayal and statements) and Shiryu (by future matchup).
You are right, they should've focused on Kizaru bitching Snakeman across entire island like it was slow Thursday or fucking around with Gear 5 until Luffy reached his limit to show Kizaru is far above YRH
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You don't count Beckman and Zoro there, right?
No, I don't count Beckman or Zoro.
Beckman has too little feats. Zoro could possibly beat Kizaru, but he needs to REALLY be on his a game, because Kizaru's speed is no joke.
But Zoro's AP is great, so if he could just tag Kizaru, he could win.
Yeah, I too, when talking about It, refer to "normal" YC1 (Marco, King, Kata and so on).

Just to say one obvious thing, Ray for example Is not an YC1 in that sense, even if he Is technically Roger's crew YC1.
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And I really hope and the end of the arc we could see Kizaru going 100% whitout holding anything back. That could finally be the time, if Oda wants.
I think Kizaru showed us everything he has, but probably didn't go all out with it.
If he spammed moves like Yasakani No Magatama and what not I think the fight would have been a bit harder for Luffy.
Though of course, Luffy was holding back too.
 
I think Kizaru showed us everything he has, but probably didn't go all out with it.
If he spammed moves like Yasakani No Magatama and what not I think the fight would have been a bit harder for Luffy.
Though of course, Luffy was holding back too.
Idk, Kizaru did not even use his monkey move, and honestly I refuse to believe he has tree or four named moves in total.
Also, he did not even use the sword "in person" against Luffy.

Maybe not, but I believe there Is fair amount of things to be seen.
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I get how it makes sense for a character, but it will be completely assinine if the top tier that got introduced in first half of the manga doesn't get a proper full 1v1 fight before he dies or returns to irrelevancy
You are right, but I don't have speck of trust in Oda when It comes to fights. I Just hope he Will show something against the Gorosei.
 
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Nice thread. Kinda disagree though with him being the most destructive, if you are trying to wipe an island off the map Akainu and Fujitora would probably do a better job than him. I think though he is the most suited for single combat.

And lol at Kuzan having CoC
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
You are wrong. Kuzan was going toe-toe easily with Garp despite being hesitated and having regrets and doubts. He didn't need someones help. In other words weakened Kuzan > old Garp. After all it's logical because he is prime Garp's protege and replacement in Navy. It's even proved by Kuzan having prime Garp physical strength.

And look at typical YC1 Shiryu. That garbage needed sneak attack to face Garp.

YC1's have never had portrayal even 20-30% from Emperors/Admirals.
he was going toe to toe matching prime Garp?!

your delusions are hilarious. you mean he matched old man Garp after he was freshly stabbed and was fighting the entire island of no names and BB YC…

kuzan can’t even compare to old man Garp with feats like this:


this is kuzan “easily” going toe to toe with old man Garp:

my guy was on guard and even attacked first and got speed blitzed then tossed around like nothing…

this is what kuzan looks like after getting tossed around by Garp meanwhile this is Garp after fighting 3 additional commanders plus the island and protecting his subordinates:


yet Aokiji did need help that much was showcased when Garp was surround by all the commanders on the island..

this punch you tried to pass off as matching prime Garp, was a DF+Haki based punch no Kuzan doesn’t match prime Garp in physical stats ever if that’s the case than Koby also matches prime Garp in physical stats since he can emulate the same punch Garp did to the ship. Oh wait Koby did showcase a better feat than kuzan..

Kuzan matching “prime” Garp but it’s really old man Garp after being stabbed:


stop trying to cope with Aokiji being the only one hesitant as Garp had the same issues having to fight his no1 protege.

again Aokiji gets speed blitzed while being on guard:

you’re trying to say kuzan>old man Garp but this doesn’t look like someone who can even keep up with a wounded old man who’s having to not only fight but also protect everyone around him..

kuzan even with the added benefit of his DF and hardening can’t even come close or compare to physical stats that could match something like this:


I applaud you for trying to use your headcannon and delusionalism to try and make up Kuzan being Prima Garps equal that was funny you trolls do have a way of letting your stupidity carry you so far.

but let’s take a look again and see that yes Kuzan is far weaker than even old man Garp that he did in fact need the aid of the other commanders and so much so that if this was a pure 1on1 Kuzan would’ve been hard low-mid diffed as he couldn’t even comprehend old man Garps speed and after two attacks he was already beat and battered.

I see not only Kuzan but shiryuu, basic, San Juan and Avalo all standing over Garp collectively not Kuzan alone.

you can talk about a YC not being portrayed to be 20-30% of an emperor I’ve never even made that statement but neither has an Admiral.

we’ve seen what happens when a mere admiral faces a Yonko:

akainu could barely hang with a sick dying white beard.

shanks only needed to use Haki to subdue and revert Greenbull out of his forest form.

Even film red depicts admirals to be bums compared to a Yonko.
 
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