Who will be the 47th President of the United States of America?


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Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
Nobody cares about new atheism until islam started getting shit thrown at them. If Christianity can be criticized so should Islam, and if you were fine with the toxic criticisms of christians why stop at islam?

Also I have never heard a new atheist use eugenics, and tf do trans people have to do with atheism and religion?
It's actually perfectly fine to poke fun at Christianity, but every other religion is frowned upon...for whatever reason....
 
Which is wrong. Actually the position of new atheism on eugenism and transphobia is what put a light on their toxic ideology.



You can criticize Islam. But there are ways to do it, and no. In the current political and social context, you CAN'T criticize Islam the same as other religion. Simply because in the west, Muslim are under systemic oppression. So by attacking their faith without restrain, you are therefore adding loads to an already existing oppression.

You need to understand the relationship of domination before you start attacking anything and anyone

For example, you can't attack far rightist who work in the factory everyday and don't have the time or the ressources to educate themself and a far rightist who is a billionaire.

That's the same with Muslim and Christians. The first are under oppression in the west, the second are not.

So we should not treat them the same way.

But that's not even the problem here. Not only New atheist are not treating Islam the same way, but they are FOCUSING negatively on Islam (and therefore muslim, by attacking the construction of mosquee). This is therefore not rationnal AT ALL. And plainly racist.



I won't have this convo again. Search "eugenism and Dawkins" "Terf or transphobia and dawkins" and you will have your answers.



There is the same process in Europe in between far rightist and incels and Eastern countries . They think women there will be more submissive (when its actually not the case)
They will be more submissive, or because that’s necessarily what they want, but because they are poor and their best option is to glaze the dick of a wealthy western man.

it’s a toxic dynamic that creates an opportunity for abuse.
 
It's actually perfectly fine to poke fun at Christianity, but every other religion is frowned upon...for whatever reason....
For good reason. In the west christiannity is hegemonic. Islam or Judaism is not. And both Muslim and Jews are under forms of oppression in society of the west, not Christians.


it’s a toxic dynamic that creates an opportunity for abuse.
Indeed.
 
I won't have this convo again. Search "eugenism and Dawkins" "Terf or transphobia and dawkins" and you will have your answers.
LMAO how is Richard Dawkins endorsing eugenics?

https://bioedge.org/enhancement/eugenics/twitter-piles-on-richard-dawkins-over-eugenics-tweet/

You do realize he's right? We can in theory select out of certain genetic factors we have by breeding, or messing with our genetic code. That is the basis of eugenics. It's selective breeding.

For good reason. In the west christiannity is hegemonic. Islam or Judaism is not. And both Muslim and Jews are under forms of oppression in society of the west, not Christians.
God oppression olympics is so stupid, specially considering most muslims are anti western values and jews are on average more financially stable than the average population.

Not only that but a ton of christians are being murdered by groups like boko haram and isis yet here we are still shitting on them
 
You do realize he's right?
I'm sorry what ?

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Nobody is denying that Eugenism is possible mate lol, what we are debatting here is Dawnkins explaining stuff like this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-ouch-28879659

Which is literally what eugenism is. And why its problematic.

God oppression olympics is so stupid
For those who don't understand it, yes.


specially considering most muslims are anti western values and jews are on average more financially stable than the average population.
Racist and antisemitic stereotypes much ?


Not only that but a ton of christians are being murdered by groups like boko haram and isis yet here we are still shitting on them
In the west ? We are talking about the west here. Stay focused.
 
But that's not even the problem here. Not only New atheist are not treating Islam the same way, but they are FOCUSING negatively on Islam (and therefore muslim, by attacking the construction of mosquee). This is therefore not rationnal AT ALL. And plainly racist
I wonder if strict public followers of world religions will ever be cancelled for abusive speech against minority religions.
 
I'm sorry what ?

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Nobody is denying that Eugenism is possible mate lol, what we are debatting here is Dawnkins explaining stuff like this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-ouch-28879659
If Aborting fetuses with Down syndrome is eugenics so is doctors recommending parents to abort children with severe mutations.

Which is literally what eugenism is. And why it’s problematic.
If that’s eugenics then it’s based. If you’re pro choice then you should understand that fetus’s are not person, and a fetus detected with a severe mutation or illness should probably aborted. Whether people with Down syndrome count in that bucket is a philosophical question of its own. But his premise is on point




Racist and antisemitic stereotypes much ?
Lmao is racist to say that fundamental Islam is anti western values? Is anti semitic to say that Jewish people are on average more financially well off than the average American?


I’m literally giving you the truth. For a guy who talks about science you sure like to ignore it when it goes against your narrative

In the west ? We are talking about the west here. Stay focused.
Here is where the oppression Olympics fall apart, more Christians are murdered around the world than those minorities in the west. Yet nobody gives a fuck and shits on Christianity all the time. Islam is also the most popular religion in the world, so clearly they’re not an oppressed minority world wide
 
If Aborting fetuses with Down syndrome is eugenics so is doctors recommending parents to abort children with severe mutations.
Aborting fetuse with Down syndrom IS eugenistic yes.


If that’s eugenics then it’s based.
Woof.. You know that that one of the base of nazism right ?

Do you even understand the ignorance of what you just said ?

@AL sama is eugenism apology ok here ? (saying that foetus with Down syndrome should be aborted) Just checking ...


If you’re pro choice then you should understand that fetus’s are not person, and a fetus detected with a severe mutation or illness should probably aborted.
For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.

In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.

Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.

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People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate. :sweat:

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fundamental Islam is against western values
You were not talking about "foundamental islam" here but "most muslims": >>>

considering most muslims are anti western values
Don't change your goal post mid game or we will have a problem.


Is anti semitic to say that Jewish people are on average more financially well off than the average American?
If it relies on nothing but a stereotype then most probably yes.


For a guy who talks about science you sure like to ignore it when it goes against your narrative
You don't talk about science here. You talk out of your a*s without sources or sociological evidences.


Here is where the oppression Olympics fall apart, more Christians are murdered around the world than those minorities in the west. Yet nobody gives a fuck and shits on Christianity all the time. Islam is also the most popular religion in the world, so clearly they’re not an oppressed minority world wide
Again, we are talking about the west. Stay on subject. Islam being popular doesn't mean that they are not oppressed. You are making a fallacious correlation.
 
Aborting fetuse with Down syndrom IS eugenistic yes.



Woof.. You know that that one of the base of nazism right ?
And?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_inventions_of_the_Nazi_period

Should humanity ban every single thing the nazi's ever came up with? Nazi = bad therefore anything they thought of is bad as well? this is childish af. "Bad people think dogs good therefore dogs bad" type of logic

If you think Eugenics is bad, tell my why you think so. It shouldn't be because "nazi think its good"


Do you even understand the ignorance of what you just said ?

No, you're re arranging the definition of eugenics so I'm playing along. idgaf if some priviliged kid from france thinks im a nazi.
@AL sama is eugenism apology ok here ? (saying that foetus with Down syndrome should be aborted) Just checking ...



For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.

In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.

Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.

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People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate.:sweat:
The premise is simple, fetuses with severe mutations/diseases should probably be aborted. If we find a fetus that is going to be born with 0 organs aside from the heart and brain, will you be morally against aborting it? If so then I guess you're consistent. I imagine telling that artificial child he's legitimate is worth the issues they will be going through.


You're equating eugenics with stuff we already do and you don't even realize it. Take a philosophy class, it will help you understand the though process.

You were not talking about "foundamental islam" here but "most muslims": >>>


Don't change your goal post mid game or we will have a problem.
Most Islam is fundamental...



If it relies on nothing but a stereotype then most probably yes.



You don't talk about science here. You talk out of your a*s without sources or sociological evidences.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/economics-and-well-being-among-u-s-jews/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion#:~:text=Amongst Jews, in 2016, Modern,income of $59,000 in 2016).

it is well known jewish families are more well off than the average american family. There's plenty of reasons why that's the case and the fact that you instantly think antisemitism says more about you.



Again, we are talking about the west. Stay on subject. Islam being popular doesn't mean that they are not oppressed. You are making a fallacious correlation.
And I refuse your premise because it's flimsy af. Oppression olympics is brain dead
 
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And?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_inventions_of_the_Nazi_period

Should humanity ban every single thing the nazi's ever came up with? Nazi = bad therefore anything they thought of is bad as well? this is childish af. "Bad people think dogs good therefore dogs bad" type of logic

If you think Eugenics is bad, tell my why you think so. It shouldn't be because "nazi think its good"
oh boi...


The premise is simple, fetuses with severe mutations/diseases should probably be aborted. If we find a fetus that is going to be born with 0 organs aside from the heart and brain, will you be morally against aborting it? If so then I guess you're consistent. I imagine telling that artificial child he's legitimate is worth the issues they will be going through.


You're equating eugenics with stuff we already do and you don't even realize it. Take a philosophy class, it will help you understand the though process.
What you don't understand is that its not the premisse. We are not talking about children that will be born with a failed organ but people with Down syndrom.

Please - if being very kind here - don't equate the two.


Take a philosophy class, it will help you understand the though process.
Take a political class. It might MAYBE help you understand the problematic things that you are saying.


Most Islam is fundamental...
Oh boi..

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/economics-and-well-being-among-u-s-jews/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion#:~:text=Amongst Jews, in 2016, Modern,income of $59,000 in 2016).

it is well known jewish families are more well off than the average american family. There's plenty of reasons why that's the case and the fact that you instantly think antisemitism says more about you.
Now we are talking.

You see the difference between stating random stuff and stating stuff with sources.
No those numbers are NOT "well known". I did not for example knew them. (and it only equates for US jews here).

There's plenty of reasons why that's the case and the fact that you instantly think antisemitism says more about you.
What it says is that I don't give info without evidences. Note that I did not refused your assertion - you missed that - I only HOLD my judgment to avoid falling into stereotype and problematic behavior.

Which is something you are doing without problem.


Oppression olympics is is brain dead
If you don't know the problem. Don't talk about the problem.
 
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/economics-and-well-being-among-u-s-jews/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion#:~:text=Amongst Jews, in 2016, Modern,income of $59,000 in 2016).

it is well known jewish families are more well off than the average american family. There's plenty of reasons why that's the case and the fact that you instantly think antisemitism says more about you.
Yeah that is true tbh

Me and most of my friends are college educated. In fact I think most of them either have or are pursuing a post graduate degree.

I’m yet to start one. Taking a break to improve my health before I go for my masters.
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In there are very few Jews that I know who don’t have a pretty decent educational background
 
Is a hoax to silence cririciism of islam and conflate it with racism despite islam not being a race.

Call it xenophobic if thats what you are going for, islamophobic is a trash ass term
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There is no excuse here. Dawkins is showing the true color of the new atheism movement as I've kept explaining to you. Adding that to his transphobia, you can be sure that he and his zealots will be recuperated by the far right in NO TIME.
Whatever helps you sleep at night bro.
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I've made those EXACT point in the past and my hatred was not fuelled more by the knowledge of Islam rather than the way some people are using religion
Sucks to be you, with me its the other way around. I never cared for what people did with the religion (way too diverse), my harsh criricism of islam grew with more knowledge.
 
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