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Yes I know. I promoted their ideology as I come from the French side of the new atheist movement.
What I'm saying is that:
- New atheism don't take into account the sociological impact that the bashing of islam has against believer in our current historical context
- New atheism, that started has a form of reject of all religion has derived into a lot of toxic belief system and behaviors (the non equivalence of the attack between Islam and other religions, scientism, eugenism, transphobia, racism etc.)
What I'm saying is that:
- New atheism don't take into account the sociological impact that the bashing of islam has against believer in our current historical context
- New atheism, that started has a form of reject of all religion has derived into a lot of toxic belief system and behaviors (the non equivalence of the attack between Islam and other religions, scientism, eugenism, transphobia, racism etc.)
Nobody cares about new atheism until islam started getting shit thrown at them. If Christianity can be criticized so should Islam, and if you were fine with the toxic criticisms of christians why stop at islam?
Also I have never heard a new atheist use eugenics, and tf do trans people have to do with atheism and religion?
Also I have never heard a new atheist use eugenics, and tf do trans people have to do with atheism and religion?
I hate passport bros. These guys are so racist and sexist.
like what even is this?
“filipinas are always happy”
The fuck they are. The poor in the Philippines literally need to get their food from garbage cans.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagpag
These people act like Filipinas are this exotic and novel brand of human, as opposed to normal people who just live in some islands off Asia.
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I think it’s one thing to enjoy a culture and want to be part of one. I think I’m kinda like that with Judaism. Might even want to move to NYC when I intend to get married.
But these people just seem to fetishize women in other countries and wish to move their so they can use the USD to engage in sexual colonialism.
like what even is this?
“filipinas are always happy”
The fuck they are. The poor in the Philippines literally need to get their food from garbage cans.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagpag
These people act like Filipinas are this exotic and novel brand of human, as opposed to normal people who just live in some islands off Asia.
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I think it’s one thing to enjoy a culture and want to be part of one. I think I’m kinda like that with Judaism. Might even want to move to NYC when I intend to get married.
But these people just seem to fetishize women in other countries and wish to move their so they can use the USD to engage in sexual colonialism.
Which is wrong. Actually the position of new atheism on eugenism and transphobia is what put a light on their toxic ideology.
You can criticize Islam. But there are ways to do it, and no. In the current political and social context, you CAN'T criticize Islam the same as other religion. Simply because in the west, Muslim are under systemic oppression. So by attacking their faith without restrain, you are therefore adding loads to an already existing oppression.
You need to understand the relationship of domination before you start attacking anything and anyone
For example, you can't attack far rightist who work in the factory everyday and don't have the time or the ressources to educate themself and a far rightist who is a billionaire.
That's the same with Muslim and Christians. The first are under oppression in the west, the second are not.
So we should not treat them the same way.
But that's not even the problem here. Not only New atheist are not treating Islam the same way, but they are FOCUSING negatively on Islam (and therefore muslim, by attacking the construction of mosquee). This is therefore not rationnal AT ALL. And plainly racist.
I won't have this convo again. Search "eugenism and Dawkins" "Terf or transphobia and dawkins" and you will have your answers.
There is the same process in Europe in between far rightist and incels and Eastern countries . They think women there will be more submissive (when its actually not the case)
You can criticize Islam. But there are ways to do it, and no. In the current political and social context, you CAN'T criticize Islam the same as other religion. Simply because in the west, Muslim are under systemic oppression. So by attacking their faith without restrain, you are therefore adding loads to an already existing oppression.
You need to understand the relationship of domination before you start attacking anything and anyone
For example, you can't attack far rightist who work in the factory everyday and don't have the time or the ressources to educate themself and a far rightist who is a billionaire.
That's the same with Muslim and Christians. The first are under oppression in the west, the second are not.
So we should not treat them the same way.
But that's not even the problem here. Not only New atheist are not treating Islam the same way, but they are FOCUSING negatively on Islam (and therefore muslim, by attacking the construction of mosquee). This is therefore not rationnal AT ALL. And plainly racist.
I won't have this convo again. Search "eugenism and Dawkins" "Terf or transphobia and dawkins" and you will have your answers.
There is the same process in Europe in between far rightist and incels and Eastern countries . They think women there will be more submissive (when its actually not the case)
LMAO how is Richard Dawkins endorsing eugenics?
https://bioedge.org/enhancement/eugenics/twitter-piles-on-richard-dawkins-over-eugenics-tweet/
You do realize he's right? We can in theory select out of certain genetic factors we have by breeding, or messing with our genetic code. That is the basis of eugenics. It's selective breeding.
God oppression olympics is so stupid, specially considering most muslims are anti western values and jews are on average more financially stable than the average population.
Not only that but a ton of christians are being murdered by groups like boko haram and isis yet here we are still shitting on them
https://bioedge.org/enhancement/eugenics/twitter-piles-on-richard-dawkins-over-eugenics-tweet/
You do realize he's right? We can in theory select out of certain genetic factors we have by breeding, or messing with our genetic code. That is the basis of eugenics. It's selective breeding.
God oppression olympics is so stupid, specially considering most muslims are anti western values and jews are on average more financially stable than the average population.
Not only that but a ton of christians are being murdered by groups like boko haram and isis yet here we are still shitting on them
I'm sorry what ?
Nobody is denying that Eugenism is possible mate lol, what we are debatting here is Dawnkins explaining stuff like this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-ouch-28879659
Which is literally what eugenism is. And why its problematic.
For those who don't understand it, yes.
Racist and antisemitic stereotypes much ?
In the west ? We are talking about the west here. Stay focused.
Nobody is denying that Eugenism is possible mate lol, what we are debatting here is Dawnkins explaining stuff like this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-ouch-28879659
Which is literally what eugenism is. And why its problematic.
For those who don't understand it, yes.
Racist and antisemitic stereotypes much ?
In the west ? We are talking about the west here. Stay focused.
I'm sorry what ?
Nobody is denying that Eugenism is possible mate lol, what we are debatting here is Dawnkins explaining stuff like this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-ouch-28879659
Nobody is denying that Eugenism is possible mate lol, what we are debatting here is Dawnkins explaining stuff like this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-ouch-28879659
If that’s eugenics then it’s based. If you’re pro choice then you should understand that fetus’s are not person, and a fetus detected with a severe mutation or illness should probably aborted. Whether people with Down syndrome count in that bucket is a philosophical question of its own. But his premise is on point
Lmao is racist to say that fundamental Islam is anti western values? Is anti semitic to say that Jewish people are on average more financially well off than the average American?
I’m literally giving you the truth. For a guy who talks about science you sure like to ignore it when it goes against your narrative
Here is where the oppression Olympics fall apart, more Christians are murdered around the world than those minorities in the west. Yet nobody gives a fuck and shits on Christianity all the time. Islam is also the most popular religion in the world, so clearly they’re not an oppressed minority world wide
Aborting fetuse with Down syndrom IS eugenistic yes.
Woof.. You know that that one of the base of nazism right ?
Do you even understand the ignorance of what you just said ?
@AL sama is eugenism apology ok here ? (saying that foetus with Down syndrome should be aborted) Just checking ...
For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.
In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.
Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.
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People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate.
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You were not talking about "foundamental islam" here but "most muslims": >>>
Don't change your goal post mid game or we will have a problem.
If it relies on nothing but a stereotype then most probably yes.
You don't talk about science here. You talk out of your a*s without sources or sociological evidences.
Again, we are talking about the west. Stay on subject. Islam being popular doesn't mean that they are not oppressed. You are making a fallacious correlation.
Woof.. You know that that one of the base of nazism right ?
Do you even understand the ignorance of what you just said ?
@AL sama is eugenism apology ok here ? (saying that foetus with Down syndrome should be aborted) Just checking ...
For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.
In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.
Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.
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People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate.
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You were not talking about "foundamental islam" here but "most muslims": >>>
Don't change your goal post mid game or we will have a problem.
If it relies on nothing but a stereotype then most probably yes.
You don't talk about science here. You talk out of your a*s without sources or sociological evidences.
Again, we are talking about the west. Stay on subject. Islam being popular doesn't mean that they are not oppressed. You are making a fallacious correlation.
And?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_inventions_of_the_Nazi_period
Should humanity ban every single thing the nazi's ever came up with? Nazi = bad therefore anything they thought of is bad as well? this is childish af. "Bad people think dogs good therefore dogs bad" type of logic
If you think Eugenics is bad, tell my why you think so. It shouldn't be because "nazi think its good"
No, you're re arranging the definition of eugenics so I'm playing along. idgaf if some priviliged kid from france thinks im a nazi.
The premise is simple, fetuses with severe mutations/diseases should probably be aborted. If we find a fetus that is going to be born with 0 organs aside from the heart and brain, will you be morally against aborting it? If so then I guess you're consistent. I imagine telling that artificial child he's legitimate is worth the issues they will be going through.
You're equating eugenics with stuff we already do and you don't even realize it. Take a philosophy class, it will help you understand the though process.
Most Islam is fundamental...
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/economics-and-well-being-among-u-s-jews/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion#:~:text=Amongst Jews, in 2016, Modern,income of $59,000 in 2016).
it is well known jewish families are more well off than the average american family. There's plenty of reasons why that's the case and the fact that you instantly think antisemitism says more about you.
And I refuse your premise because it's flimsy af. Oppression olympics is brain dead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_inventions_of_the_Nazi_period
Should humanity ban every single thing the nazi's ever came up with? Nazi = bad therefore anything they thought of is bad as well? this is childish af. "Bad people think dogs good therefore dogs bad" type of logic
If you think Eugenics is bad, tell my why you think so. It shouldn't be because "nazi think its good"
No, you're re arranging the definition of eugenics so I'm playing along. idgaf if some priviliged kid from france thinks im a nazi.
@AL sama is eugenism apology ok here ? (saying that foetus with Down syndrome should be aborted) Just checking ...
For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.
In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.
Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.
-----
People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate.
For once the problem is not the life or the non life. Its the idea that you should abort because your child will be born with down syndrom.
In other words, since you have a hard time understanding the negative charge of what you just said, its like saying to people with Down syndrom that they should NOT have been born in the first place.
Its Eugenism and one of the things Nazis have done.
-----
People with Down syndrom. If you are passing through here. You are legitimate.
You're equating eugenics with stuff we already do and you don't even realize it. Take a philosophy class, it will help you understand the though process.
Most Islam is fundamental...
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/economics-and-well-being-among-u-s-jews/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion#:~:text=Amongst Jews, in 2016, Modern,income of $59,000 in 2016).
it is well known jewish families are more well off than the average american family. There's plenty of reasons why that's the case and the fact that you instantly think antisemitism says more about you.
And I refuse your premise because it's flimsy af. Oppression olympics is brain dead
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