Controversial General Political Discussion
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Good reason to fear someone ≠ good reason to oppress them 
violence always requires a justification. We have to weight wether is good enough or not
Sigh... Another miss. Aie aie aie...
Yes, indeed.
That's precisely what I'm trying to make you understand. Meritocracy is the belief of control and the fact that people should be more rewarded for being able to get a better control over their own lives rather than others, when in reality...
.. it simply does not work that way.
And you are - once again - showing me that you don't understand - once again - what I'm saying. And this is - once again - really disappointing.. Because I've tried everything with you guys.
Its not only wrong, its a toxic belief system that does not and will simply never exist.
"From each according to their ability to each according to their needs" ?
No. That mostly began during the neolithic and the rise of patriarchy, slavery and prehistoric capitalism.
Society are not fataly bound to let some people down. Human are not evil by nature, that the myth capitalism is trying to sell you.
There is no "own fault" under capitalism. We all began with specific capitals and therefore very specific path in life. The myth of control through hard work is just that, a myth.
No. Those who are close minded here, are those, like you, who refuse to question a myth you have been fed with your entire life.
Oh but there is accountability. We can for quote for example people like Mao or Staline who used marxists principles through opportunistic tendancy. We can also question the leninist positions of some communist and their strange apology of the atrocity commited by Staline and consort. But here, we are talking about a fight between two groups of people who are already AWARE of the BS that is meritocracy, liberalism and therefore capitalism.
Me with my anticapitalistic and antifascist fight and you and your anti-woke propaganda.. We are not fighting on the same plane anymore mate. You are still fighting scarescrows that I'm already trying to find my way around "the Destroyer".
I tried to be nice and understanding, so I ereased the message I wanted post in addition to my reply this morning but since you keep this attitude.. here we go:
And since I'm starting to get fed up of the way you act here let me add this:
I can say that you don't understand what you are talking about.. based on this sentence:
You still don't understand what transphobia or the difference between an identity and a sexual preference are
Words matter.
With your words, I can pinpoint your political compass. Not leftist because you would understand why not questionning merit is a problem and not far right or conservatist because you know too much about the political reality of the world to fall into this extrem.
So looking at the way you speak to me or treat the way try to prevent toxic behavior here. I'd place you on the Apolitical-liberal point of the political spectrum. The one that don't understand why saying that "he" about a transwomen is transphobe or why saying "people can improve themself and reach high if they want is purely liberal.
Since the day i've been talking here and reporting people, you act and talk like I'm the one who is trying to label people to try to get the moral high ground. But in reality I'm not the one doing that here ... YOU are.
Because YOU are the one who is trying to be edgy while understanding PERFECTLY the political/historical context and reasons why I'm talking the way I do. YOU (and other mods here) are the one denying cases transphobia when after reading people who are literally explaining that trans women are men you throw me a "buzzword", YOU are the one denying cases of clear toxicity, YOU are the one refusing to open the debate on the repolitization of already political subjects.
You are hidding being your power, your derogatory behavior, your casual ignoring but yet clearly targeted sarcasm to appear like you know everything about politics.. when in reality what you have is the surface level.
Your historical and economical knowledge are without a doubt BETTER than mine. But you miss the most important part :
The political knowledge. Or at least, that's what appears through your words.
- Denying transphobia
- Confusing identity and sexual preferences
- Not understanding why I use certain labels the way I do
- Refusing the politicization of discussions
- Targetting the only leftistS in the room with your words
- Not understanding the notion of meritocracy
Dude.. I'm not the one who has a problem of identity here.
The reason : Trump, Liberals and people like you.
Not the left. We have our problems, but the rise of the far right or the right wing is not on us.
Tell me, in an anarcho capitalist society. Are the boss and the employee paid the same ?
I'm sorry, I'm a bit lost on the convo, and for once the apathie here is starting to get to me a little.
Indeed I'm not counting the exception where Islam is actually used as a tool of oppression. But it does exist yes.
The point is that if we start calling Hamas or Israel "terrorist organization", we can't bring them in front of international justice on those terms. The International laws only recognize the action of atrocities (war crime / genocides etc.) and its logical. If it wasn't the case, any state would be able to call their opposition "terrorist" and suppress them that way while being justified. Sometimes acts of terrorism considered by one nation are actually acts of resistances for another.
So you don’t think there was a point in time in the history of Israel-Palestine conflict where the Israelis had a good reason to fear the PS/Arab force?[/QUOTE]
Palestinian were stripped of their homes and land and ethically cleansed. There were massacred. In that context, suppression and oppression is the worst answer to the problem.
Who is threatenning who right now ? Look at the death count please.
Yes, indeed.
That's precisely what I'm trying to make you understand. Meritocracy is the belief of control and the fact that people should be more rewarded for being able to get a better control over their own lives rather than others, when in reality...
.. it simply does not work that way.
And you are - once again - showing me that you don't understand - once again - what I'm saying. And this is - once again - really disappointing.. Because I've tried everything with you guys.
Its not only wrong, its a toxic belief system that does not and will simply never exist.
"From each according to their ability to each according to their needs" ?
No. That mostly began during the neolithic and the rise of patriarchy, slavery and prehistoric capitalism.
Society are not fataly bound to let some people down. Human are not evil by nature, that the myth capitalism is trying to sell you.
There is no "own fault" under capitalism. We all began with specific capitals and therefore very specific path in life. The myth of control through hard work is just that, a myth.
No. Those who are close minded here, are those, like you, who refuse to question a myth you have been fed with your entire life.
Oh but there is accountability. We can for quote for example people like Mao or Staline who used marxists principles through opportunistic tendancy. We can also question the leninist positions of some communist and their strange apology of the atrocity commited by Staline and consort. But here, we are talking about a fight between two groups of people who are already AWARE of the BS that is meritocracy, liberalism and therefore capitalism.
Me with my anticapitalistic and antifascist fight and you and your anti-woke propaganda.. We are not fighting on the same plane anymore mate. You are still fighting scarescrows that I'm already trying to find my way around "the Destroyer".
I tried to be nice and understanding, so I ereased the message I wanted post in addition to my reply this morning but since you keep this attitude.. here we go:
And since I'm starting to get fed up of the way you act here let me add this:
I can say that you don't understand what you are talking about.. based on this sentence:
You still don't understand what transphobia or the difference between an identity and a sexual preference are
Words matter.
With your words, I can pinpoint your political compass. Not leftist because you would understand why not questionning merit is a problem and not far right or conservatist because you know too much about the political reality of the world to fall into this extrem.
So looking at the way you speak to me or treat the way try to prevent toxic behavior here. I'd place you on the Apolitical-liberal point of the political spectrum. The one that don't understand why saying that "he" about a transwomen is transphobe or why saying "people can improve themself and reach high if they want is purely liberal.
Since the day i've been talking here and reporting people, you act and talk like I'm the one who is trying to label people to try to get the moral high ground. But in reality I'm not the one doing that here ... YOU are.
Because YOU are the one who is trying to be edgy while understanding PERFECTLY the political/historical context and reasons why I'm talking the way I do. YOU (and other mods here) are the one denying cases transphobia when after reading people who are literally explaining that trans women are men you throw me a "buzzword", YOU are the one denying cases of clear toxicity, YOU are the one refusing to open the debate on the repolitization of already political subjects.
You are hidding being your power, your derogatory behavior, your casual ignoring but yet clearly targeted sarcasm to appear like you know everything about politics.. when in reality what you have is the surface level.
Your historical and economical knowledge are without a doubt BETTER than mine. But you miss the most important part :
The political knowledge. Or at least, that's what appears through your words.
- Denying transphobia
- Confusing identity and sexual preferences
- Not understanding why I use certain labels the way I do
- Refusing the politicization of discussions
- Targetting the only leftistS in the room with your words
- Not understanding the notion of meritocracy
Dude.. I'm not the one who has a problem of identity here.
The reason : Trump, Liberals and people like you.
Not the left. We have our problems, but the rise of the far right or the right wing is not on us.
Tell me, in an anarcho capitalist society. Are the boss and the employee paid the same ?
I'm sorry, I'm a bit lost on the convo, and for once the apathie here is starting to get to me a little.
Indeed I'm not counting the exception where Islam is actually used as a tool of oppression. But it does exist yes.
The point is that if we start calling Hamas or Israel "terrorist organization", we can't bring them in front of international justice on those terms. The International laws only recognize the action of atrocities (war crime / genocides etc.) and its logical. If it wasn't the case, any state would be able to call their opposition "terrorist" and suppress them that way while being justified. Sometimes acts of terrorism considered by one nation are actually acts of resistances for another.
So you don’t think there was a point in time in the history of Israel-Palestine conflict where the Israelis had a good reason to fear the PS/Arab force?[/QUOTE]
Palestinian were stripped of their homes and land and ethically cleansed. There were massacred. In that context, suppression and oppression is the worst answer to the problem.
Who is threatenning who right now ? Look at the death count please.
Yeah at some points Israel probably had a good reason to be that anal about Palestinians. Modern day? Nah. I’ve said several times the war can’t go for long and they’re wrong for the occupation of the West Bank
False equivalency? It perfectly tracks. If one poses a reasonable threat to the other violence may be needed.
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False equivalency? It perfectly tracks. If one poses a reasonable threat to the other violence may be needed.
