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Your entire argument is based on, once again, using a term wrong by definition, making assumptions, and enforcing your version of it on everyone else. Until you understand nuance and accurate definitions, you'll be screaming at air again.
Absolutely nothing about what I've said equates to believing in a full fledged Meritocracy. Thinking someone can have some control of their lives given the situation is a meritocracy. You'd think with the amount of times you've wrongly labeled someone that you'd get it by now.
Absolutely nothing about what I've said equates to believing in a full fledged Meritocracy. Thinking someone can have some control of their lives given the situation is a meritocracy. You'd think with the amount of times you've wrongly labeled someone that you'd get it by now.
Some obviously get left behind. That's just how society as a whole works. In almost every nation to exist, there were always those that hit rock bottom. The problem is that under unregulated captialism, it's easy to hit rock bottom with no fault of your own. You can be the hardest working person there is and still not break above minimum wage since the system itself is designed to keep you poor.
Logiko is just once again being close minded and enforcing his views and assumptions on other people. He keeps trying to remove any fault or accountability on the left. America at the very least, has become more right wing and conservative over the past 15 years and its for a reason.
Logiko is just once again being close minded and enforcing his views and assumptions on other people. He keeps trying to remove any fault or accountability on the left. America at the very least, has become more right wing and conservative over the past 15 years and its for a reason.
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Talking about mass disinformation and manipulation
https://www.thefp.com/p/npr-editor-how-npr-lost-americas-trust
NPR veteran describes the transformation of NPR from a news to an activist organization after Trump's election:
"During most of my tenure [at NPR], an open-minded, curious culture prevailed. We were nerdy, but not knee-jerk, activist, or scolding.
In recent years, however, that has changed. Today, those who listen to NPR or read its coverage online find something different: the distilled worldview of a very small segment of the U.S. population...
Like many unfortunate things, the rise of advocacy took off with Donald Trump. As in many newsrooms, his election in 2016 was greeted at NPR with a mixture of disbelief, anger, and despair... But what began as tough, straightforward coverage of a belligerent, truth-impaired president veered toward efforts to damage or topple Trump’s presidency [italics mine].
Persistent rumors that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia over the election became the catnip that drove reporting. At NPR, we hitched our wagon to Trump’s most visible antagonist, Representative Adam Schiff...
The Schiff talking points became the drumbeat of NPR news reports.
But when the Mueller report found no credible evidence of collusion, NPR’s coverage was notably sparse. Russiagate quietly faded from our programming...
It’s bad to blow a big story.
What’s worse is to pretend it never happened, to move on with no mea culpas, no self-reflection...
[Hunter Biden's] laptop was newsworthy. But the timeless journalistic instinct of following a hot story lead was being squelched. During a meeting with colleagues, I listened as one of NPR’s best and most fair-minded journalists said it was good we weren’t following the laptop story because it could help Trump [italics mine]...
Over the course of the pandemic, a number of investigative journalists made compelling, if not conclusive, cases for the lab leak. But at NPR, we weren’t about to swivel or even tiptoe away from the insistence with which we backed the natural origin story...
[Our new director] declared that diversity—on our staff and in our audience—was the overriding mission... Race and identity became paramount in nearly every aspect of the workplace. Journalists were required to ask everyone we interviewed their race, gender, and ethnicity (among other questions), and had to enter it in a centralized tracking system [italics mine]. We were given unconscious bias training sessions. A growing DEI staff offered regular meetings imploring us to 'start talking about race.'
There’s an unspoken consensus about the stories we should pursue and how they should be framed. It’s frictionless—one story after another about instances of supposed racism, transphobia, signs of the climate apocalypse, Israel doing something bad, and the dire threat of Republican policies. It’s almost like an assembly line.
The mindset prevails in choices about language. In a document called NPR Transgender Coverage Guidance—disseminated by news management—we’re asked to avoid the term biological sex... The mindset animates bizarre stories—on how The Beatles and bird names are racially problematic, and others that are alarmingly divisive; justifying looting, with claims that fears about crime are racist; and suggesting that Asian Americans who oppose affirmative action have been manipulated by white conservatives.
More recently, we have approached the Israel-Hamas war and its spillover onto streets and campuses through the intersectional lens that has jumped from the faculty lounge to newsrooms. Oppressor versus oppressed...
I looked at voter registration for our newsroom. In D.C., where NPR is headquartered and many of us live, I found 87 registered Democrats working in editorial positions and zero Republicans. None."
You have to be the smartest not hardest. Don't blame the game just because you don't understand. Unregulated capitalism is beautiful. Regulated capitalism is where "the system is made to keep you poor" is all about. When company joins governaments to regulate economy. That's when you are doomed to be poor. Not when everyone is free to do what they want.
https://www.thefp.com/p/npr-editor-how-npr-lost-americas-trust
NPR veteran describes the transformation of NPR from a news to an activist organization after Trump's election:
"During most of my tenure [at NPR], an open-minded, curious culture prevailed. We were nerdy, but not knee-jerk, activist, or scolding.
In recent years, however, that has changed. Today, those who listen to NPR or read its coverage online find something different: the distilled worldview of a very small segment of the U.S. population...
Like many unfortunate things, the rise of advocacy took off with Donald Trump. As in many newsrooms, his election in 2016 was greeted at NPR with a mixture of disbelief, anger, and despair... But what began as tough, straightforward coverage of a belligerent, truth-impaired president veered toward efforts to damage or topple Trump’s presidency [italics mine].
Persistent rumors that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia over the election became the catnip that drove reporting. At NPR, we hitched our wagon to Trump’s most visible antagonist, Representative Adam Schiff...
The Schiff talking points became the drumbeat of NPR news reports.
But when the Mueller report found no credible evidence of collusion, NPR’s coverage was notably sparse. Russiagate quietly faded from our programming...
It’s bad to blow a big story.
What’s worse is to pretend it never happened, to move on with no mea culpas, no self-reflection...
[Hunter Biden's] laptop was newsworthy. But the timeless journalistic instinct of following a hot story lead was being squelched. During a meeting with colleagues, I listened as one of NPR’s best and most fair-minded journalists said it was good we weren’t following the laptop story because it could help Trump [italics mine]...
Over the course of the pandemic, a number of investigative journalists made compelling, if not conclusive, cases for the lab leak. But at NPR, we weren’t about to swivel or even tiptoe away from the insistence with which we backed the natural origin story...
[Our new director] declared that diversity—on our staff and in our audience—was the overriding mission... Race and identity became paramount in nearly every aspect of the workplace. Journalists were required to ask everyone we interviewed their race, gender, and ethnicity (among other questions), and had to enter it in a centralized tracking system [italics mine]. We were given unconscious bias training sessions. A growing DEI staff offered regular meetings imploring us to 'start talking about race.'
There’s an unspoken consensus about the stories we should pursue and how they should be framed. It’s frictionless—one story after another about instances of supposed racism, transphobia, signs of the climate apocalypse, Israel doing something bad, and the dire threat of Republican policies. It’s almost like an assembly line.
The mindset prevails in choices about language. In a document called NPR Transgender Coverage Guidance—disseminated by news management—we’re asked to avoid the term biological sex... The mindset animates bizarre stories—on how The Beatles and bird names are racially problematic, and others that are alarmingly divisive; justifying looting, with claims that fears about crime are racist; and suggesting that Asian Americans who oppose affirmative action have been manipulated by white conservatives.
More recently, we have approached the Israel-Hamas war and its spillover onto streets and campuses through the intersectional lens that has jumped from the faculty lounge to newsrooms. Oppressor versus oppressed...
I looked at voter registration for our newsroom. In D.C., where NPR is headquartered and many of us live, I found 87 registered Democrats working in editorial positions and zero Republicans. None."
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You have to be the smartest not hardest. Don't blame the game just because you don't understand. Unregulated capitalism is beautiful. Regulated capitalism is where "the system is made to keep you poor" is all about. When company joins governaments to regulate economy. That's when you are doomed to be poor. Not when everyone is free to do what they want.
You didn't read my post properly 🙄
Notice that the great replacement theory does not originate in Europe but in Europe's cultural outposts overseas. Those who replaced the indigenous population of their respective country. They're scared of karma basically
except the countries where they are the majority and oppress&forcefully convert religious minorities
What point are you trying to make?
Notice that the great replacement theory does not originate in Europe but in Europe's cultural outposts overseas. Those who replaced the indigenous population of their respective country. They're scared of karma basically
except the countries where they are the majority and oppress&forcefully convert religious minorities What point are you trying to make?
Good reason to fear someone ≠ good reason to oppress them
violence always requires a justification. We have to weight wether is good enough or not
Sigh... Another miss. Aie aie aie...
Yes, indeed.
That's precisely what I'm trying to make you understand. Meritocracy is the belief of control and the fact that people should be more rewarded for being able to get a better control over their own lives rather than others, when in reality...
.. it simply does not work that way.
And you are - once again - showing me that you don't understand - once again - what I'm saying. And this is - once again - really disappointing.. Because I've tried everything with you guys.
Its not only wrong, its a toxic belief system that does not and will simply never exist.
"From each according to their ability to each according to their needs" ?
No. That mostly began during the neolithic and the rise of patriarchy, slavery and prehistoric capitalism.
Society are not fataly bound to let some people down. Human are not evil by nature, that the myth capitalism is trying to sell you.
There is no "own fault" under capitalism. We all began with specific capitals and therefore very specific path in life. The myth of control through hard work is just that, a myth.
No. Those who are close minded here, are those, like you, who refuse to question a myth you have been fed with your entire life.
Oh but there is accountability. We can for quote for example people like Mao or Staline who used marxists principles through opportunistic tendancy. We can also question the leninist positions of some communist and their strange apology of the atrocity commited by Staline and consort. But here, we are talking about a fight between two groups of people who are already AWARE of the BS that is meritocracy, liberalism and therefore capitalism.
Me with my anticapitalistic and antifascist fight and you and your anti-woke propaganda.. We are not fighting on the same plane anymore mate. You are still fighting scarescrows that I'm already trying to find my way around "the Destroyer".
I tried to be nice and understanding, so I ereased the message I wanted post in addition to my reply this morning but since you keep this attitude.. here we go:
And since I'm starting to get fed up of the way you act here let me add this:
I can say that you don't understand what you are talking about.. based on this sentence:
You still don't understand what transphobia or the difference between an identity and a sexual preference are
Words matter.
With your words, I can pinpoint your political compass. Not leftist because you would understand why not questionning merit is a problem and not far right or conservatist because you know too much about the political reality of the world to fall into this extrem.
So looking at the way you speak to me or treat the way try to prevent toxic behavior here. I'd place you on the Apolitical-liberal point of the political spectrum. The one that don't understand why saying that "he" about a transwomen is transphobe or why saying "people can improve themself and reach high if they want is purely liberal.
Since the day i've been talking here and reporting people, you act and talk like I'm the one who is trying to label people to try to get the moral high ground. But in reality I'm not the one doing that here ... YOU are.
Because YOU are the one who is trying to be edgy while understanding PERFECTLY the political/historical context and reasons why I'm talking the way I do. YOU (and other mods here) are the one denying cases transphobia when after reading people who are literally explaining that trans women are men you throw me a "buzzword", YOU are the one denying cases of clear toxicity, YOU are the one refusing to open the debate on the repolitization of already political subjects.
You are hidding being your power, your derogatory behavior, your casual ignoring but yet clearly targeted sarcasm to appear like you know everything about politics.. when in reality what you have is the surface level.
Your historical and economical knowledge are without a doubt BETTER than mine. But you miss the most important part :
The political knowledge. Or at least, that's what appears through your words.
- Denying transphobia
- Confusing identity and sexual preferences
- Not understanding why I use certain labels the way I do
- Refusing the politicization of discussions
- Targetting the only leftistS in the room with your words
- Not understanding the notion of meritocracy
Dude.. I'm not the one who has a problem of identity here.
The reason : Trump, Liberals and people like you.
Not the left. We have our problems, but the rise of the far right or the right wing is not on us.
Tell me, in an anarcho capitalist society. Are the boss and the employee paid the same ?
I'm sorry, I'm a bit lost on the convo, and for once the apathie here is starting to get to me a little.
Indeed I'm not counting the exception where Islam is actually used as a tool of oppression. But it does exist yes.
The point is that if we start calling Hamas or Israel "terrorist organization", we can't bring them in front of international justice on those terms. The International laws only recognize the action of atrocities (war crime / genocides etc.) and its logical. If it wasn't the case, any state would be able to call their opposition "terrorist" and suppress them that way while being justified. Sometimes acts of terrorism considered by one nation are actually acts of resistances for another.
So you don’t think there was a point in time in the history of Israel-Palestine conflict where the Israelis had a good reason to fear the PS/Arab force?[/QUOTE]
Palestinian were stripped of their homes and land and ethically cleansed. There were massacred. In that context, suppression and oppression is the worst answer to the problem.
Who is threatenning who right now ? Look at the death count please.
Yes, indeed.
That's precisely what I'm trying to make you understand. Meritocracy is the belief of control and the fact that people should be more rewarded for being able to get a better control over their own lives rather than others, when in reality...
.. it simply does not work that way.
And you are - once again - showing me that you don't understand - once again - what I'm saying. And this is - once again - really disappointing.. Because I've tried everything with you guys.
Its not only wrong, its a toxic belief system that does not and will simply never exist.
"From each according to their ability to each according to their needs" ?
No. That mostly began during the neolithic and the rise of patriarchy, slavery and prehistoric capitalism.
Society are not fataly bound to let some people down. Human are not evil by nature, that the myth capitalism is trying to sell you.
There is no "own fault" under capitalism. We all began with specific capitals and therefore very specific path in life. The myth of control through hard work is just that, a myth.
No. Those who are close minded here, are those, like you, who refuse to question a myth you have been fed with your entire life.
Oh but there is accountability. We can for quote for example people like Mao or Staline who used marxists principles through opportunistic tendancy. We can also question the leninist positions of some communist and their strange apology of the atrocity commited by Staline and consort. But here, we are talking about a fight between two groups of people who are already AWARE of the BS that is meritocracy, liberalism and therefore capitalism.
Me with my anticapitalistic and antifascist fight and you and your anti-woke propaganda.. We are not fighting on the same plane anymore mate. You are still fighting scarescrows that I'm already trying to find my way around "the Destroyer".
I tried to be nice and understanding, so I ereased the message I wanted post in addition to my reply this morning but since you keep this attitude.. here we go:
And since I'm starting to get fed up of the way you act here let me add this:
I can say that you don't understand what you are talking about.. based on this sentence:
You still don't understand what transphobia or the difference between an identity and a sexual preference are
Words matter.
With your words, I can pinpoint your political compass. Not leftist because you would understand why not questionning merit is a problem and not far right or conservatist because you know too much about the political reality of the world to fall into this extrem.
So looking at the way you speak to me or treat the way try to prevent toxic behavior here. I'd place you on the Apolitical-liberal point of the political spectrum. The one that don't understand why saying that "he" about a transwomen is transphobe or why saying "people can improve themself and reach high if they want is purely liberal.
Since the day i've been talking here and reporting people, you act and talk like I'm the one who is trying to label people to try to get the moral high ground. But in reality I'm not the one doing that here ... YOU are.
Because YOU are the one who is trying to be edgy while understanding PERFECTLY the political/historical context and reasons why I'm talking the way I do. YOU (and other mods here) are the one denying cases transphobia when after reading people who are literally explaining that trans women are men you throw me a "buzzword", YOU are the one denying cases of clear toxicity, YOU are the one refusing to open the debate on the repolitization of already political subjects.
You are hidding being your power, your derogatory behavior, your casual ignoring but yet clearly targeted sarcasm to appear like you know everything about politics.. when in reality what you have is the surface level.
Your historical and economical knowledge are without a doubt BETTER than mine. But you miss the most important part :
The political knowledge. Or at least, that's what appears through your words.
- Denying transphobia
- Confusing identity and sexual preferences
- Not understanding why I use certain labels the way I do
- Refusing the politicization of discussions
- Targetting the only leftistS in the room with your words
- Not understanding the notion of meritocracy
Dude.. I'm not the one who has a problem of identity here.
The reason : Trump, Liberals and people like you.
Not the left. We have our problems, but the rise of the far right or the right wing is not on us.
Tell me, in an anarcho capitalist society. Are the boss and the employee paid the same ?
I'm sorry, I'm a bit lost on the convo, and for once the apathie here is starting to get to me a little.
Indeed I'm not counting the exception where Islam is actually used as a tool of oppression. But it does exist yes.
The point is that if we start calling Hamas or Israel "terrorist organization", we can't bring them in front of international justice on those terms. The International laws only recognize the action of atrocities (war crime / genocides etc.) and its logical. If it wasn't the case, any state would be able to call their opposition "terrorist" and suppress them that way while being justified. Sometimes acts of terrorism considered by one nation are actually acts of resistances for another.
So you don’t think there was a point in time in the history of Israel-Palestine conflict where the Israelis had a good reason to fear the PS/Arab force?[/QUOTE]
Palestinian were stripped of their homes and land and ethically cleansed. There were massacred. In that context, suppression and oppression is the worst answer to the problem.
Who is threatenning who right now ? Look at the death count please.