Chapter Discussion So, to everyone who said Nika was a giant retcon... explain the last chapter

#21
What was a recon was the gomu gomu no mi, in two fronts:
- It's a zoan that works nothing like a zoan.
The only one at that in an otherwise very clear-cut system. That's extremely messy and in no way hinted. It was hinted that the gomu gomu was more than a rubber fruit, but it still makes no sense that it's a zoan.

- It being secretly a very important messiah fruit that the Gorosei have been chasing after for 800 years because they fear its awakening. Yet their interest in the gomu gomu or Luffy throughout the series until the very literal last second doesn't reflect this at all. There are zero hints for this one.


So yes, as far as I'm concerned, Nika is a giant retcon the way it was designed, and a terrible one at that.

The sun god being real or Luffy being its destined reincarnation and the saviour of the world may not be a retcon, just a reveal, but the fruit itself is a different matter.
 
#23
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luffy dancing in skypea or even sun god being mentioned before wano is incredibly irrelevant

sun is often tied with rays of hope which is basically every op arc
oda could have easily made luffy be a physical symbol of the sun during the retcon

the very fact that we only got to know that something like nika exists only 20 chapters before the actual reveal is all u need to know abt it

THE FUCKIN GOROSEI
only talkin abt nika like 2 chapters before its reveal when we have had luffy say gum gum pre timeskip is peak retardation

oda earlier hating the idea of mc having godlike abilities also doesnt help the case
him saying he needs to think how luffy beats kaido and he hopes it isnt just a big punch
ALSO DOESNT HELP THE CASE

nika gave a huge middle finger to oda's statements above
saying oda always had plans for it and gave little hints ( like luffy dancing ) is peak glazing
 
#25
Fan ghostwriting for the author to make the later a better writer that he is 1.0.1

It will be funny when in a few years we will learn that Nika (like a lot of important big moments in the story) was not planned before Wano or was the idea of an editor:saden:

I don’t get this new trend in the Shonen readers demographic to either glaze the writing skill of the author or to make the story deeper than it is.
 
#26
The foreshadowing is there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/17sj456
One Piece is just suuuuuuuuuuuuuuper long, so, it's taken us forever to actually reach Gear 5/Luffy's Awakening.

Oda explored Devil Fruit Awakenings as early as Impel Down (I think it might have been earlier but can't find it). Do you expect me to believe Oda only started thinking about Luffy's Devil Fruit Awakening after Skypiea? No, Nika was part of the story from day one, just hidden within the narrative. If anything, Oda did too good of a job hiding it.
That's not foreshadowing to Luffy being Nika, but serves as symbolism to Luffy being the hero of many people, and may later become the hero of the world. The sun has served as symbolism for many characters throughout fiction. Doesn't mean they'll be revealed to be gods, but rather that they'll simply serve as the savior within the story. The people praying to the gods are religious people that have never referenced Nika specifically, but a generic sun god, which many exist in the real world itself.

Most of us knew Luffy would be the hero of the world, but their's no proof here that he'd be Nika as Nika itself wasn't a thing before Wano.
 
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#27
I mean it depends on what you define as retcon
We know this cant be planned from the start as this pivotal thing because the original length and scope of the story oda stated
Now obviously he didn't come up with in Wano either. Like most of the things its probably somewhere in the middle. This goes for 90% of one piece at this point tho
 

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#28
It was GG with this panel right here.


This is how the Skypiea Saga began.

That's literally how the Nika fruit works. Anything Luffy imagines, he can turn into reality. Anyone who thinks it was a retcon after seeing that panel is straight up in denial.
Yep.

Oda's really deliberate with his story, I don't mind people getting mad over stuff like Bonney's ass and some of the other gags, but acting like Oda randomly decided to retcon the main character for shits and giggles in Wano is just angry One Piece fans being angry about One Piece.

I can't wait till Wano Act 4
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A lot of people say Lili had the paw fruit and spread the Poneglyphs around the world, I'm willing to bet her and Joyboy spread Devil Fruits around the world as well.
Only problem is it's implied Joyboy also had the Nika fruit somehow.
I just imagined Joy Boy up in space flying around and chucking the Poneglyphs down like meteors and I'm cracking up.
 
#29
What was a recon was the gomu gomu no mi, in two fronts:
- It's a zoan that works nothing like a zoan.
The only one at that in an otherwise very clear-cut system. That's extremely messy and in no way hinted. It was hinted that the gomu gomu was more than a rubber fruit, but it still makes no sense that it's a zoan.

- It being secretly a very important messiah fruit that the Gorosei have been chasing after for 800 years because they fear its awakening. Yet their interest in the gomu gomu or Luffy throughout the series until the very literal last second doesn't reflect this at all. There are zero hints for this one.


So yes, as far as I'm concerned, Nika is a giant retcon the way it was designed, and a terrible one at that.

The sun god being real or Luffy being its destined reincarnation and the saviour of the world may not be a retcon, just a reveal, but the fruit itself is a different matter.
Very well said.
 
#30
Can't pretend like Oda had no idea where he was taking Luffy when the entire One Piece world is connected to ancient flood mythology connected to ancient gods.

Ya'll could have just reread/rewatched Skypiea to know you were wrong

LOL

Oda's been foreshadowing Luffy as a warrior of liberation worshipped as someone who defeats evil gods since Skypiea, arguably Orange Town since Buggy most likely will be the God of the Pirates. Croc fits, as well.

Clearly, Oda has been setting up the WG as endgame enemies since the Gorosei were introduced in




So... Oda have these gods planned, and their boss, Imu, planned... but not Luffy?

Okay.

Ya'll have had enough fun. You're wrong.

Nika isn't a retcon, you just don't like Sun God Nika and Gear 5. And that's okay.

Trying to retcon other gods in the series because you hate Luffy having a Naruto-like plotline won't change the fact that Oda planned all this out, at least in a general sense.
Anyone who disagrees should look at my avi
 
#31
Can't pretend like Oda had no idea where he was taking Luffy when the entire One Piece world is connected to ancient flood mythology connected to ancient gods.

Ya'll could have just reread/rewatched Skypiea to know you were wrong

LOL

Oda's been foreshadowing Luffy as a warrior of liberation worshipped as someone who defeats evil gods since Skypiea, arguably Orange Town since Buggy most likely will be the God of the Pirates. Croc fits, as well.

Clearly, Oda has been setting up the WG as endgame enemies since the Gorosei were introduced in




So... Oda have these gods planned, and their boss, Imu, planned... but not Luffy?

Okay.

Ya'll have had enough fun. You're wrong.

Nika isn't a retcon, you just don't like Sun God Nika and Gear 5. And that's okay.

Trying to retcon other gods in the series because you hate Luffy having a Naruto-like plotline won't change the fact that Oda planned all this out, at least in a general sense.
Bro thinks telling people to reread Skypiea is a gotcha defense for Nika retcon? :gokulaugh:

Dude, this is fucking embarassing, dude. Do yourself a favor and delete this thread. :suresure:
 
#33
Luffy being the guy who liberate people was foreshadow ok, but the Nika/Hito Hito/Sun God fruit wasnt.

The Gorosei know he was a D. and had the Gomu Gomu since Alabasta, Oda could easily put one of them saying a line like "an on top of it, this strawhat boy having this fruit" and that the other responding "No, its impossible" when they are talking about Luffy beating Croco and that would set the idea that Luffy fruit was something different, that the Gorosei but didnt believe could be real.


Because they not reacting to he being a potential Nika after in sequecence Luffy attacked Ennies Lobby, defeated Moria, punched Charloss, invaded Impel Down, fighted and survived Marineford and showed up with Rayleigh, was totally nonsense.
 
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#34
Luffy being the guy who liberate people was foreshadow ok, but the Nika/Hito Hito/Sun God fruit wasnt.

The Gorosei know he was a D. and had the Gomu Gomu since Alabasta, Oda could easily put one of them saying a line like "an on top of it, this strawhat boy having this fruit" and that the other responding "No, its impossible" when they are talking about Luffy beating Croco and that would set the idea that Luffy fruit was something different, that the Gorosei but didnt believe could be real.


Because they not reacting tô Heitor being a potencial Nika after in sequecence Luffy attacked Ennies Lobby, defeated Moria, punched Charloss, invaded Impel Down, fighted and survived Marineford and showed up with Rayleigh, was totally nonsense.
This is my last response to this thread, I think



Luffy had been under the protection of Shanks from the WG most of the series, IMO. The Gorosei clearly aren't in a position to stop Shanks, or... you know, they would. Just like Doflamingo before him, there's a reason they can't touch Shanks.

It was only once Luffy was near Awakening that the Gorosei decided they were ready to incur Shanks' anger by attacking Luffy. By the time Luffy set sail, and the government would learn about him, Shanks was a Yonkou Whitebeard respected.

Who shut down Marineford? Yep, Shanks.

What's more likely? That Oda retconned this shit?

Or that the character, Shanks, whom Oda dressed up at parties and says he identifies with, is the mentor of the main character, and WHO INSPIRED LUFFY TO BECOME A PIRATE, has been protecting Luffy?

Let's look at who Shanks is friends with:

-Rayleigh
-All the other Roger Pirates we haven't seen yet
-Multiple other Pirate crews

And who Luffy is allied with:

-Dragon (I believe the Gorosei knew of their connection once Luffy's existence was made known when he beat Arlong). + the Revs, which includes multiple hundred million dollar bounties, and Sabo
-Obviously Shanks


Oh, yeah.

Let's just ally:
Prime Shanks
Prime Dragon
Rayleigh who pushed Prime Kizaru
All of Shanks' other allies (including GIANTS)
And all the Roger Pirate remnants


Yeah no shit the Gorosei didn't start shit, they'd have to be real fucking stupid to try. The Gorosei were scared of dying Whitebeard and Prime Shanks from allying. They'd be crapping their trousers if they had to fight what Shanks could bring. Keep in mind that if pre-Wano Kaido heard about this fight happening over the WG either killing or capturing Luffy, he would join in, too, as shown in Marineford (another moment two Yonkou meeting scared the crap out of the Gorosei).



Shanks told them: "Hey, leave Luffy alone, or everyone I know will fuck you up, and even if you do win, you'll lose so much it will set you back centuries. You know who I am, don't fuck with me. Luffy will run into plenty of Marines on his own, but, if you ever send your people specifically after him, then I'll come for you." This fits Shanks wanting Luffy to grow into a great pirate, by Luffy having his own adventure.

It took Luffy literally nearing Yonkou status for the Gorosei to bite the bullet and go "fuck it, we'd rather fight Shanks and Frens than Joy Boy again."

That's how stupid of an idea it is to go after some giggling shithead kid who can stretch himself. The Gorosei thought he would never get past Smoker, and Luffy WOULD have lost to Smoker, but, Dragon.

A lot of people have been protecting Luffy over the years. Why is Crocus stationed where he is? Who could have asked him to do that?

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For one more night and one more time, Shanks for the memories
Even if Devil Fruit's aren't sweet
Makino tastes like sake but sweeteeeeeer oh oh oh oh ohhhhhhhhh
 

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#36
The funniest thing is you know HOW MANY PROBLEMS I had with Wano Act 3. I have no reason to defend Oda here, it's just clearly not a retcon.

I think the Nika reveal was way too forced for Wano and where it was. Should have at the least been set up in Act 2, have slaves from Udon prison talk about this ancient warrior who would come to rescue them. I'm assuming Who's Who has some big plot point in the future that made Oda want to highlight him in Onigashima, or else... why? Why Who's Who?

But, Luffy being a warrior of liberation/borderline religious figure has always been in the story.

Oda is a great artist and storyteller, but, sometimes, the writing gets away from him. IMO that's what happened with Nika. Oda wanted to make it a big reveal, but, not teasing it enough led it to be jarring and weird.

I really hope a lot of the Giants on Elbaf go "Yeah fuck this guy we're not worshipping this kid, he's not Nika, he's a fraud. He's not the Real Sun God." Lol wait I actually want this now
 
#37
The funniest thing is you know HOW MANY PROBLEMS I had with Wano Act 3. I have no reason to defend Oda here, it's just clearly not a retcon.

I think the Nika reveal was way too forced for Wano and where it was. Should have at the least been set up in Act 2, have slaves from Udon prison talk about this ancient warrior who would come to rescue them. I'm assuming Who's Who has some big plot point in the future that made Oda want to highlight him in Onigashima, or else... why? Why Who's Who?

But, Luffy being a warrior of liberation/borderline religious figure has always been in the story.

Oda is a great artist and storyteller, but, sometimes, the writing gets away from him. IMO that's what happened with Nika. Oda wanted to make it a big reveal, but, not teasing it enough led it to be jarring and weird.

I really hope a lot of the Giants on Elbaf go "Yeah fuck this guy we're not worshipping this kid, he's not Nika, he's a fraud. He's not the Real Sun God." Lol wait I actually want this now


Are you lost?

So Oda planned for Luffys fruit to be the Nika reincarnation from the very beginning?

The Gorosei knew what that fruit was yet never spoke about it or put a billion bounty on his head at the beginning after putting some fake big crimes on his head?


Imu too was planned from early on I'll bet is what you'll say.

One of your replies on here stated the Gorosei didn't start shit with Luffy because they were scared of dying, you're incredible I can't lie.


This was the best you could come up with to defend a blatant retcon just to suck Oda off, not even JoJo fans are this gay for their author.
 
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#38
Oda initial story is about a pirate the goes to grand line and fight emperors.

Gorosei wasn't planned. Nika wasn't planned. Haki wasn't planned. Shichibukai wasn't planned. Awakening wasn't planned(even after Impel Down it wasn't well planned yet).
 

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#39
Are you lost?

So Oda planned for Luffys fruit to be the Nika reincarnation from the very beginning?

The Gorosei knew what that fruit was yet never spoke about it or put a billion bounty on his head at the beginning after putting some fake big crimes on his head?


Imu too was planned from early on I'll bet is what you'll say.

One of your replies on here stated the Gorosei didn't start shit with Luffy because they were scared of dying, you're incredible I can't lie.


This was the best you could come up with to defend a blatant retcon just to suck Oda off, not even JoJo fans are this gay for their author.
After I read this I farted, I wanted you to know that.
 
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