Eos Sanji vs Mihawk

Eos Sanji vs Mihawk


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They would be the same because Doriki measures physical strength. The only reason Kaku's Doriki would increase would be due to having more physical strength when his is in hybrid form same with Jabra. being able to generate a specific amount of force in an attack is a direct result of his physical strength.
Doriki measures physical strength through the impact of the attack. Kaku can generate much much more impact through his blades.

If Zoro punched Fukuro and he smacked him with his swords, the doriki would not be same because Zoro can channel his strength much better through his blades.

Doriki is basically a punching power machine


I don't see how it makes logical sense for the Doriki to be same when Jabura can not generate half the power of amane dache, at least based on his reaction to amane dache and his feats.
 
(I believe here you mean its not her strength she is using weather balls ** her intelligence ** to create thunder clouds and electricity attacks)
Yes, obviously.

That was never stated,as you mentioned Swordsmanship doesn't get taken into account, Luffy is DF user is Luffy punching Fukuro in his Base should he use G2 or G3 ?? there are far too many variables.

Sanji it should be a good system since all he has to do is kick but that doesn't apply to Zoro and Luffy.
My bad there. What I meant with the system being a good reference for the M3 is because we know the strength of their rivals.

Yes ofc Luffy would have different numbers in base, G2, G3. The same is with the M3 of CP9 with their Zoans. But the three of them have similar sizes with their animals and the 3 of them are Zoan, not any other fruit with some other type of power boost, so there is no reason to think that the difference is still not proportional between them as it was in their human form.

Sanji has Base form and DJ. Is the same as Luffy.

1. Sanji didn't oneshot Jabra
2. Sanji never broke Tekkei - he burnt through it -- the two are not comparable.
3. Zoro is was capable of breaking Tekkei with Tatsumaki and Shi sonson
4. Sanji (who you're praising so much) mentioned that at the rate Zoro and Kaku are going the Tower will collapse (Sanji and Jabra fight never had this, Sanji lost every clash against Jabra, Zoro won every clash against Kaku)

AGAIN Zoro and Sanji like Jabra and Kaku are not comparable.
1º Yes he did. Jabra was not near at all a KO before the kick, so basically he was oneshoted with that one.
2º The fire on his leg enhance his attack power (more speed), that's why he broke Jabra's bones too.
3º Tatsumaki no for what I remember. Tatsumaki was stronger enough to push him a little bit, but not to cut him.
4. Sanji's fight is a more close combate fight. And Range =/= power. Like I said, destroying that tower is not impressive at all. Is only a show of author's ignorance with these things like always.

"Sanji lost every clash with Jabra".
Sanji only lost his clashes against Jabra with a handicap. He only used 1 leg against all of Jabra's force. Zoro used all of his swords against Kaku when he won those clashes against him. Sanji postTS for example already does not have this handicap cause he can fly and can use both legs in his attacks when he attacks from the air. And when he lost his clashes, it was him using nameless kicks...
And we can consider a clash between them when Sanji attacked Jabra while this one was only defending too. Why? Because Jabra has Tekkai ON while moving so Sanji sent flying Jabra despite his Tekkai. So that can count as Sanji winning some clashes too.
Zoro didn't sent flying Kaku with Tatsumaki when this one used Tekkai, Kaku had the enough strength to hold against it and then run to the floor above while Jabra no and was sent away.

Btw, here Zoro didn't won:
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So no, he didn't win every clash against Kaku.

"AGAIN Zoro and Sanji like Jabra and Kaku are not comparable. "
Yes, they are comparable. Author compared them with numbers. And they have the same techniques as foundation.
And Zoro and Sanji are being compared constantly each other. Next arc for example, Zoro's zombie vs Sanji's zombie are equal...
Zoro and Sanji beat a Pacifista both while Luffy, who is a lvl above them, beat a Pacifista alone (despite Zoro or Sanji being able to stomp dozens of Pacifistas).
Etc.
It's not my problem if you don't like it, but Zoro = Sanji is a fact. For now ofc, maybe later it will change. For example, Zoro beats King alone and Sanji loses against Queen alone or something like this.
 
1º Yes he did. Jabra was not near at all a KO before the kick, so basically he was oneshoted with that one.
If he was nearly K.Oed, debatable, he was actually able to walk so Idk what qualifies as "nearly K.O", even if he was nearly K.Oed, its not a one shot by the very definition of one shot otherwise Oden one shot Kaido?
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Yes, they are comparable. Author compared them with numbers. And they have the same techniques as foundation.
No he compared the base forms of their opponents when Zoro's opponent wasn't using his main power.

The only way you agree with Kaku = Jabura is if you agree swordless Zoro = Sanji otherwise its intellectually dishonest.
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And Zoro and Sanji are being compared constantly each other. Next arc for example, Zoro's zombie vs Sanji's zombie are equal...
They are never compared. Zoro's Zombie did not have 3 swords, he certainly did not have Shushui that exponentially increased Zoro's attack power and it was a gag above all else. Luffy's "Zombie" required Luffy + other straw hats to beat, does that mean Luffy = Luffy + Zoro + Sanji + every other straw hat lol?

Zoro and Sanji never had a serious comparison.
-No data book has ever compared them, Luffy has been called Zoro's equal in 3 data books
-Zoro and Sanji have never had a serious fight, Zoro and Luffy had a serious fight
-Zoro and Luffy have comparable will powers, desires to win, hunger and driver to be better while Sanji almost has no ambition, at least not that would make him stronger
-People have confused Zoro as a captain, no one has ever confused Zoro as a captain
-Supernova/Worst Generation, one of the most long run story telling in One Piece, Luffy and Zoro are part of it and Sanji is not
-No data book, SBS, Manga or magazine has ever called Sanji Zoro's rival, Shanks has been called Mihawk's rival in manga and data book, Whitebeard and Roger have been called each other's rivals
-Most of Zoro's opponents would low or mid diff Sanji's opponents, Mr1 low diffs Mr2 Ohm Low diffs Satori, Ryuma low diffs Absalom. Jabura would maybe push Kaku to high difficulty
 
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If he was nearly K.Oed, debatable, he was actually able to walk so Idk what qualifies as "nearly K.O", even if he was nearly K.Oed, its not a one shot by the very definition of one shot otherwise Oden one shot Kaido?
I meant, he was not near a KO. He still had a lot of power. It's not like a broken bone it's a problem in this manga.

No he compared the base forms of their opponents when Zoro's opponent wasn't using his main power.

The only way you agree with Kaku = Jabura is if you agree swordless Zoro = Sanji otherwise its intellectually dishonest.
And the same with Jabra... His number is with his human form. That's why he complained and said to Kaku that with fruit it will be a different story.

Wtf? lol
 
3º Tatsumaki no for what I remember. Tatsumaki was stronger enough to push him a little bit, but not to cut him.
Kaku himself was scared that Shi Shi Son Son would break his tekkai which is obvious cuz it cut Daz Bones steel which is far stronger than Krieg's armor as move that carries enough power to break Mr1's armor, something that Luffy would probably need G3 to do assuming Mr1 is at least as durable as a thick door.

Sanji's DJ did no damage to Oars, Zoro was making Oars bleed with pretty much every move after he got Shushui.
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I meant, he was not near a KO. He still had a lot of power. It's not like a broken bone it's a problem in this manga.
It had a lot of power, just not enough power to K.O jabura. Ashura had enough power to casually destroy attack far stronger than tower destroyer (so essentially stronger than peak of Diable Jambe) and then one shot Kaku and send him to his base form and Jabura was carrying him in cover story (Jabura took two DJ attacks).
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And the same with Jabra... His number is with his human form. That's why he complained and said to Kaku that with fruit it will be a different story.

Wtf? lol
Yeah in their base forms without swords they are almost equals meaning with 4 swords Kaku would destroy Jabura unless you believe Swordless Zoro = Sanji?

So we don't know how much boost they got with their devil fruits meaning Doriki is an unreliable metric and we have to use feats and by feats Kaku has looked far superior.
 
Doriki measures physical strength through the impact of the attack. Kaku can generate much much more impact through his blades.

If Zoro punched Fukuro and he smacked him with his swords, the doriki would not be same because Zoro can channel his strength much better through his blades.

Doriki is basically a punching power machine


I don't see how it makes logical sense for the Doriki to be same when Jabura can not generate half the power of amane dache, at least based on his reaction to amane dache and his feats.
Doriki only measures physical strength. It does not account for how the said individuals uses that strength in his fighting style. The higher your doriki is the stronger your attacks will be but the doriki measured is meant to represent your strength in general. Kaku's amande dache would not increase his doriki, Only the physical strength he gains as a result of his DF will increase. Kaku's amanche is that powerful because of his doriki. On top of that amane dache is an attack that requires a lot of build up so to act as if all Kaku's attacks are on that level is ridiculous. Outside of that it was pretty obvious that Jabra and Kaku had more or less the same amount of physical strength.


So Swordless Kaku = swords Kaku ?
No but they have the exact same physical strength.
 
your doriki is the stronger your attacks will be but the doriki measured is meant to represent your strength in general. Kaku's amande dache would not increase his doriki, Only the physical strength he gains as a result of his DF will increase. Kaku's amanche is that powerful because of his doriki. On top of that amane dache is an attack that requires a lot of build up so to act as if all Kaku's attacks are on that level is ridiculous. Outside of that it was pretty obvious that Jabra and Kaku had more or less the same amount of physical strength.
That doesn't make sense. How does Jabura measure strength, by how hard he gets hit right? How can Kaku hit his hardest? Through Amane Dache or through Punching?

If its not about how hard you hit then what even if the point of hitting? Can he measure strength just by touching?
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No but they have the exact same physical strength.
Yes one can generate that strength a lot more effectively than the other
 
but the doriki measured is meant to represent your strength in general
This needs qualification. How is it strength in general when it only measures physical strength.

The issue here is that Kaku is a swordsman so measuring his physical strength is near irrelevant in determining his overall power. For Jyabura, he is a martial artist so it is more in line than swordsmanship.

Kaku without his swords was > Jyabura in physical strength.
This means with his swords, he is significantly stronger.
 
That doesn't make sense. How does Jabura measure strength, by how hard he gets hit right? How can Kaku hit his hardest? Through Amane Dache or through Punching?

If its not about how hard you hit then what even if the point of hitting? Can he measure strength just by touching?
When Fukurou was hit ,if he didn't tell you the numbers do you honestly have reached the conclusion that Lucci's doriki was almost twice that of Kaku's? None of those attack looked stronger than the other and none of those attacks looked stronger than Franky's punches yet that was the same number Lucci used as the reason why Franky could not break his tekkai. What does that tell you? As long of you hit Fukurou he is able to determine what you doriki is via the technique te wase.
 
When Fukurou was hit ,if he didn't tell you the numbers do you honestly have reached the conclusion that Lucci's doriki was almost twice that of Kaku's? None of those attack looked stronger than the other and none of those attacks looked stronger than Franky's punches yet that was the same number Lucci used as the reason why Franky could not break his tekkai. What does that tell you? As long of you hit Fukurou he is able to determine what you doriki is via the technique te wase.
I believe Lucci's punch was twice as strong as Kaku's elbow.
But I do not believe the difference in their doriki would be same if Kaku used Amande Dachi and Lucci used his top attack in Leapord form.
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None of those attack looked stronger than the other and none of those attacks looked stronger than Franky's punches yet that was the same number Lucci used as the reason why Franky could not break his tekkai. What does that tell you? As long of you hit Fukurou he is able to determine what you doriki is via the technique te wase.
Not every punch that is stronger looks stronger, how do you see it as strong? Are you referring to DC because DC can be compressed
 
Zoro and Sanji never had a serious comparison.
-No data book has ever compared them, Luffy has been called Zoro's equal in 3 data books
-Zoro and Sanji have never had a serious fight, Zoro and Luffy had a serious fight
-Zoro and Luffy have comparable will powers, desires to win, hunger and driver to be better while Sanji almost has no ambition, at least not that would make him stronger
-People have confused Zoro as a captain, no one has ever confused Zoro as a captain
-Supernova/Worst Generation, one of the most long run story telling in One Piece, Luffy and Zoro are part of it and Sanji is not
-No data book, SBS, Manga or magazine has ever called Sanji Zoro's rival, Shanks has been called Mihawk's rival in manga and data book, Whitebeard and Roger have been called each other's rivals
-Most of Zoro's opponents would low or mid diff Sanji's opponents, Mr1 low diffs Mr2 Ohm Low diffs Satori, Ryuma low diffs Absalom. Jabura would maybe push Kaku to high difficulty
-Irrelevant what a databook said when facts proves Luffy > Zoro

-That's not a serious fight and it was shown explicitly that Arlong was one lvl above Zoro and Sanji in the arc before and Crocodile was above Mr.1 and Mr.2 in the next arc.

-Irrelevant his ambition. The thing is despite that lack of ambition for strength as the other two, he showed equal or even betters feats of strength sometimes.

-Irrelevant again. If Zoro could impressed those guys and made them mistake him for the Captain, Sanji could too if he was in his place. Because like I said, their strength are equal.

-Sanji was not a part of Supernovas because he didn't fight in the bridge, he used his head to allow Mugiwaras to escape later. And previously, he didn't have a poster because:
1. Bon Clay needed to escape to allow Mugiwaras to escape.
2. If Bon Clay would have been found KO by the marines, Sanji would have a poster with his true face and Vinsmokes would come to bring him "home". And let's suppose the thing with his face happens there. Then, after EL author could not use this "excuse" again to hide him from Vinsmokes, so he will be exposed.
Did you read the manga bro?

-Sanji and Zoro are part of the same crew while those examples no. Ofc they are not "rivals" like that. They are a typical duo of friends who competes each other in every shit. Kakashi and Gai for example from Naruto. Or Goku Vegeta from DB (after Vegeta joins DB team).

-Lmao. Mr.2 sent flying Mr.1 easy and Zoro toyed with Mr.1 in strength. He was "strong" in general terms counting all parameters because his durability was insane and that make up other lower parameters. Let's say, Mr.1 (80 durability, 20 speed), Mr.2 (50 durability, 50 speed), both 100 points.
The Satori example is invalid wtf, that was not a Sanji's rival. It was the typical semirandom who makes problems for the MC despite being weaker. And he didn't even fight against Sanji alone, he fought against Luffy, Sanji and Usopp. If you want a crap argument, Satori stomp Zoro because he fought a stronger combination than him by far.
Sanji didn't have a rival on Skypiea.
Absalom was not a rival at all for Sanji lmao. Ofc Ryuma wins against him. Sanji was nerfed trying to protect Nami and was fightning with Nami in his arms.
Jabura "maybe" push Kaku high diff... warning warning, we have a Zoro fanboy here, warning!!!
What a load of crap bro.

Kaku himself was scared that Shi Shi Son Son would break his tekkai which is obvious cuz it cut Daz Bones steel which is far stronger than Krieg's armor as move that carries enough power to break Mr1's armor, something that Luffy would probably need G3 to do assuming Mr1 is at least as durable as a thick door.

Sanji's DJ did no damage to Oars, Zoro was making Oars bleed with pretty much every move after he got Shushui.
False, totally false. Bullshit.
Never was said or implied that. Kaku said literally "what strength!", that's all. Strength against Tekkai = it can push him and sent flying. He didn't even scratch Kaku with that. And Zoro being able to cut him with Shi shi sonson doesnt mean anything. We don't know how much damage that it would be.
Lmao, Luffy destroys Mr.1 in Arabasta Arc easily. There is no debate at all.

Sanji's DJ deflected a stretched Bazooka. Zoro doesnt have anything comparable at all with that.

It had a lot of power, just not enough power to K.O jabura. Ashura had enough power to casually destroy attack far stronger than tower destroyer (so essentially stronger than peak of Diable Jambe) and then one shot Kaku and send him to his base form and Jabura was carrying him in cover story (Jabura took two DJ attacks).
Flambage shot was enough to break his Tekkai and oneshot him, what are you talking about.

The tower cut is a crap feat. Stop mentioning this as something special. Like I said, Zoro's cutting Giant Jack's root on Skypiea with a nameless cut and a single sword is a much better and impressive power feat, by far.
That's only ignorance of the author in these things which made him writing this type of crap sometimes.
Sanji doesnt need to show that to know he is as strong as that.

Kaku has better recovering, good for him and irrelevant for power lvl.

Yeah in their base forms without swords they are almost equals meaning with 4 swords Kaku would destroy Jabura unless you believe Swordless Zoro = Sanji?

So we don't know how much boost they got with their devil fruits meaning Doriki is an unreliable metric and we have to use feats and by feats Kaku has looked far superior.
Author doesnt need to chew the food entirely so you can eat it...
Kaku's two swords are his legs. Lucci can use 2 "swords" too. It is implied that all that is measured with this system.
And Kaku can't use four swords for one attack like Zoro can use 3 swords for one attack. And strongest Kaku's attack is made by him with 2 kicks/2 swords, not with 4 swords. So, you are wrong, totally wrong.

Delusional. There is no feat above Sanji and Jabra for Kaku's part. He only showed more AoE, not power.
The heck, Luffy has less AoE than Zoro and he stomps him.

By the way, when Lucci flooded the subterranean floor, Luffy, without knowing where were his nakamas, was confident that they can deal with whatever they will encounter after Lucci commented about this.
But, when Lucci (a weakened Lucci) was about to go to the bridge to kill Mugiwaras (Zoro being in a good state cause Zoro and Sanji won easier than Luffy), Luffy was terrified because Lucci would kill them and he didn't contradict him when the leopard man said that (Zoro & Sanji included).
 
This needs qualification. How is it strength in general when it only measures physical strength.

The issue here is that Kaku is a swordsman so measuring his physical strength is near irrelevant in determining his overall power. For Jyabura, he is a martial artist so it is more in line than swordsmanship.

Kaku without his swords was > Jyabura in physical strength.
This means with his swords, he is significantly stronger
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By general strength I'm refering to Physical strength only. True physical strength tells use nothing about their overall combat ability However his physical strength is what makes the attacks as strong as it is. Yes Kaku is stronger than Jabra physically but I do not think the gap would increase due to his swordsmanship but rather due to the fact that the gap in their physical strength increases when both transform. They are still on the same general level just that Kaku is the stronger of the two.
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I believe Lucci's punch was twice as strong as Kaku's elbow.
But I do not believe the difference in their doriki would be same if Kaku used Amande Dachi and Lucci used his top attack in Leapord form.
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Not every punch that is stronger looks stronger, how do you see it as strong? Are you referring to DC because DC can be compressed
You believed that Lucci's punch was twice as strong as Kakau's elbow before the numbers where revealed? To me it just seems like your making something that should be quite simple a lot more complex than it needs to be.
 
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You believed that Lucci's punch was twice as strong as Kakau's elbow before the numbers where revealed? To me it just seems like your making something that should be quite simple a lot more complex than it needs to be.
I did not believe Lucci's punch was stronger before he punched, I believe it after it punched because we got result of both the punches that's how I see it anyways.

If Mike Tyson Prime punches the bag on punching machine and I punch it, he will likely get a higher number but that doesn't mean you can tell that before looking at the numbers.
 
Doriki only measures physical strength. It is very inaccurate.

In doriki does not interpret the quality of Jabura as a very experienced martial artist that has the best defense of cp9, it does not measure the fact that Jabura manages to use his iron body during all of the fight, in which he potentiates his attacks using his shredders wolf claws.
Doriki also doesn't measure the fact that Jabura is the only one in cp9 that can combine 2 rokushiki skills with his DF skill.
It does not mention the techniques of evasion of iron mass, that he combines tekkai with soru to be even faster (steals in kamae)
It does not mention the fact that he combines tekkai with shigan, using his claws. (jushigan)
It doesn't mention the fact that he combines tekkai with rankyaku (lupus four)

Doriki doesn't mention any of that, unfortunately.
 
-Irrelevant what a databook said when facts proves Luffy > Zoro

-That's not a serious fight and it was shown explicitly that Arlong was one lvl above Zoro and Sanji in the arc before and Crocodile was above Mr.1 and Mr.2 in the next arc.

-Irrelevant his ambition. The thing is despite that lack of ambition for strength as the other two, he showed equal or even betters feats of strength sometimes.

-Irrelevant again. If Zoro could impressed those guys and made them mistake him for the Captain, Sanji could too if he was in his place. Because like I said, their strength are equal.

-Sanji was not a part of Supernovas because he didn't fight in the bridge, he used his head to allow Mugiwaras to escape later. And previously, he didn't have a poster because:
1. Bon Clay needed to escape to allow Mugiwaras to escape.
2. If Bon Clay would have been found KO by the marines, Sanji would have a poster with his true face and Vinsmokes would come to bring him "home". And let's suppose the thing with his face happens there. Then, after EL author could not use this "excuse" again to hide him from Vinsmokes, so he will be exposed.
Did you read the manga bro?

-Sanji and Zoro are part of the same crew while those examples no. Ofc they are not "rivals" like that. They are a typical duo of friends who competes each other in every shit. Kakashi and Gai for example from Naruto. Or Goku Vegeta from DB (after Vegeta joins DB team).

-Lmao. Mr.2 sent flying Mr.1 easy and Zoro toyed with Mr.1 in strength. He was "strong" in general terms counting all parameters because his durability was insane and that make up other lower parameters. Let's say, Mr.1 (80 durability, 20 speed), Mr.2 (50 durability, 50 speed), both 100 points.
The Satori example is invalid wtf, that was not a Sanji's rival. It was the typical semirandom who makes problems for the MC despite being weaker. And he didn't even fight against Sanji alone, he fought against Luffy, Sanji and Usopp. If you want a crap argument, Satori stomp Zoro because he fought a stronger combination than him by far.
Sanji didn't have a rival on Skypiea.
Absalom was not a rival at all for Sanji lmao. Ofc Ryuma wins against him. Sanji was nerfed trying to protect Nami and was fightning with Nami in his arms.
Jabura "maybe" push Kaku high diff... warning warning, we have a Zoro fanboy here, warning!!!
What a load of crap bro.


False, totally false. Bullshit.
Never was said or implied that. Kaku said literally "what strength!", that's all. Strength against Tekkai = it can push him and sent flying. He didn't even scratch Kaku with that. And Zoro being able to cut him with Shi shi sonson doesnt mean anything. We don't know how much damage that it would be.
Lmao, Luffy destroys Mr.1 in Arabasta Arc easily. There is no debate at all.

Sanji's DJ deflected a stretched Bazooka. Zoro doesnt have anything comparable at all with that.


Flambage shot was enough to break his Tekkai and oneshot him, what are you talking about.

The tower cut is a crap feat. Stop mentioning this as something special. Like I said, Zoro's cutting Giant Jack's root on Skypiea with a nameless cut and a single sword is a much better and impressive power feat, by far.
That's only ignorance of the author in these things which made him writing this type of crap sometimes.
Sanji doesnt need to show that to know he is as strong as that.

Kaku has better recovering, good for him and irrelevant for power lvl.


Author doesnt need to chew the food entirely so you can eat it...
Kaku's two swords are his legs. Lucci can use 2 "swords" too. It is implied that all that is measured with this system.
And Kaku can't use four swords for one attack like Zoro can use 3 swords for one attack. And strongest Kaku's attack is made by him with 2 kicks/2 swords, not with 4 swords. So, you are wrong, totally wrong.

Delusional. There is no feat above Sanji and Jabra for Kaku's part. He only showed more AoE, not power.
The heck, Luffy has less AoE than Zoro and he stomps him.

By the way, when Lucci flooded the subterranean floor, Luffy, without knowing where were his nakamas, was confident that they can deal with whatever they will encounter after Lucci commented about this.
But, when Lucci (a weakened Lucci) was about to go to the bridge to kill Mugiwaras (Zoro being in a good state cause Zoro and Sanji won easier than Luffy), Luffy was terrified because Lucci would kill them and he didn't contradict him when the leopard man said that (Zoro & Sanji included).
Wow honestly man we disagree on way to many things for me to further engage this as it is not even a relevant thread, and I would rather not turn this into Zoro vs Sanji.

If there is one thing out of all that you stated you wanna debate, anyone we can so that we actually reach a conclusion. Otherwise it would just be a waste of time.
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Doriki only measures physical strength. It is very inaccurate.

In doriki does not interpret the quality of Jabura as a very experienced martial artist that has the best defense of cp9, it does not measure the fact that Jabura manages to use his iron body during all of the fight, in which he potentiates his attacks using his shredders wolf claws.
Doriki also doesn't measure the fact that Jabura is the only one in cp9 that can combine 2 rokushiki skills (shigan and tekkai) with his DF skill.
It does not mention the techniques of evasion of iron mass, that he combines tekkai with soru to be even faster (steals in kamae)
It does not mention the fact that he combines tekkai with shigan, using his claws. (jushigan)
It doesn't mention the fact that he combines tekkai with rankyaku (lupus four)

Doriki doesn't mention any of that, unfortunately.
Agreed Doriki should be completely forgotten of and never be used in an argument.
 
@ShishioIsBack What happened to you to be answering people politely?
When have I not been polite?
It is my honest sentiment towards Doriki that it should not ever be used as an argument due to it not considering so many factors.
It isn't even a reliable criterion to use when debating Jabura and Kaku themselves let alone debating the power dynamics between then opponents.
 
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