Character Discussion Sengoku & Sakazuki - A Comparison Between The Two Fleet Admirals

#83
Seriously what is with people saying to hell with manga statements in favor of their own power levels when it comes to Marines?

Manga states thag Marines are stronger than before? Nah must be weaker cause me power levels.

Manga states the Emperors are a single world power and the Marines+Warlords counters them all? No it's now the Six Powers cause me power levels.

Manga states thag Admirals can't fight properly without collateral? Nah that's headcannon cause me power levels.
Can't having admirals look good in people minds bro .
Screw statement that favor admirals.
You have people are deny kizaru mental nerf which it has repeatedly stated many times.
 
#86
Morality, Character & Ambition
Sengoku has never shown any ambition besides fulfilling his Admiral/ Fleet Admiral duties. He cares about upholding the law because it is his job
Sengoku ordered the Ohara buster call, did he do it because he thought it was right? That's most certainly not the case. To Sengoku, government orders are the words of god, to some extent "Government Dog" suits him the most


Sengoku was also involved in the killing of any pregnant woman in contact with Roger, likely among countless atrocities we are not aware of
His reactions to Whitebeard's last speech and Vegapunk's speech are also telling of what kind of a man he is


Now he might have gone soft with age, but that doesn't cancel the kind of man he was in the past

As for character, even though Sengoku is supposed to be the only CoC user, he sure was portrayed as a paranoid faint hearted soldier, contrary to Sakazuki being a tenacious and confident leader. In Marineford, this was portrayed clearly
Sengoku was a competent strategist in Marineford, but failed big time as a leader. Luckily for the marines Sakazuki was there to take the mantle
In countless panels we see Sengoku acting weak and indecisive


Whereas Akainu was raising morale and thinking of a plan to reverse this loss


When Blackbeard obtained the Gura, we see Sengoku shitting bricks
Meanwhile Akainu gave him the "I'm coming for your ass later" look and continued pursuing Luffy


Akainu even amidst this chaotic era is still as confident as one can be


When it comes to ambition, Sakazuki has his own goals, he is hellbent on destroying piracy. This is what drives him to uphold the law unlike Sengoku who is doing it for his office job. When Sakazuki bombed the Ohara ship, he did it out of principle.


He is as passionate about destroying piracy as Luffy is about becoming the Pirate King. Sengoku never had such resolve.


Akainu is the type of dawg to walk into the Gorosei hall, light a cigar, mock them to their face and even give them an order


Meanwhile Sengoku


It is no wonder that the marines under Sakazuki's leadership are stronger and more determined than they've ever been
Moving HQ to the New World is also a ballsy move that Sengoku would never commit to


In conclusion
-Akainu is a stronger leader than Sengoku
-Akainu works on principle and ambition unlike Sengoku who was more worried about the Government's approval
-Akainu is individually stronger than Sengoku
Basically better than Sengoku at everything

"B-but Sengoku has CoC"

It's confirmed somewhere sengoku has CoC? Because for me he doesnt habe the personality of a conqueror
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If this guy is having a redemption, despite all shit he made, why akainu won't have a redemption?
 
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#87
You know you made a good argument for the admirals when @comrade likes your thread
What are your current predictions about Akainu's role in the story, has anything changed?
Yes, at least Akainu appears to have a firmer ideology himself which he adheres to and is even willing to rebel against his higher ups, while Sengoku was more of a tool with no morals of his own, hence being opposed to even doubting the WG.

I can see Akainu to some extent breaking free from the WG's course, which was already hinted by him complaining and giving the Gorosei orders. Doflamingo also viewed the Marines as a separate entity to the WG in the quest of dominance. And now we already see the Gorosei heading out, Kizaru struggling due to his own morals, Fujitora also being critical of the WG and Ryokugyu being an Akainu fanboy in the first place.

Given how all of the admirals behave, them being mindless tools of the WG doesn't seem as obvious.
 
#89
One of the biggest lies in the OP fandom is that Sengoku ordered and carried out the execution of innocent women and their babies
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It's confirmed somewhere sengoku has CoC? Because for me he doesnt habe the personality of a conqueror
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If this guy is having a redemption, despite all shit he made, why akainu won't have a redemption?
Vivre card confirmed that Sengoku has conquers haki
 
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#92
Morality, Character & Ambition
Sengoku has never shown any ambition besides fulfilling his Admiral/ Fleet Admiral duties. He cares about upholding the law because it is his job
Sengoku ordered the Ohara buster call, did he do it because he thought it was right? That's most certainly not the case. To Sengoku, government orders are the words of god, to some extent "Government Dog" suits him the most


Sengoku was also involved in the killing of any pregnant woman in contact with Roger, likely among countless atrocities we are not aware of
His reactions to Whitebeard's last speech and Vegapunk's speech are also telling of what kind of a man he is


Now he might have gone soft with age, but that doesn't cancel the kind of man he was in the past

As for character, even though Sengoku is supposed to be the only CoC user, he sure was portrayed as a paranoid faint hearted soldier, contrary to Sakazuki being a tenacious and confident leader. In Marineford, this was portrayed clearly
Sengoku was a competent strategist in Marineford, but failed big time as a leader. Luckily for the marines Sakazuki was there to take the mantle
In countless panels we see Sengoku acting weak and indecisive


Whereas Akainu was raising morale and thinking of a plan to reverse this loss


When Blackbeard obtained the Gura, we see Sengoku shitting bricks
Meanwhile Akainu gave him the "I'm coming for your ass later" look and continued pursuing Luffy


Akainu even amidst this chaotic era is still as confident as one can be


When it comes to ambition, Sakazuki has his own goals, he is hellbent on destroying piracy. This is what drives him to uphold the law unlike Sengoku who is doing it for his office job. When Sakazuki bombed the Ohara ship, he did it out of principle.


He is as passionate about destroying piracy as Luffy is about becoming the Pirate King. Sengoku never had such resolve.


Akainu is the type of dawg to walk into the Gorosei hall, light a cigar, mock them to their face and even give them an order


Meanwhile Sengoku


It is no wonder that the marines under Sakazuki's leadership are stronger and more determined than they've ever been
Moving HQ to the New World is also a ballsy move that Sengoku would never commit to


In conclusion
-Akainu is a stronger leader than Sengoku
-Akainu works on principle and ambition unlike Sengoku who was more worried about the Government's approval
-Akainu is individually stronger than Sengoku
Basically better than Sengoku at everything

"B-but Sengoku has CoC"

Also Sengoku has an unkept afro, unbearable L
 
#93
Sengoku didn't order the buster call nor he ordered the murder of pregnant women. He was an admiral at the time, aka the equivalent of Kizaru right now
At a bare minimum he was complicit, most likely marines under his command partook in it. He was shown to be fully supportive of what the Gorosei wanted at Ohara.
 
#97
Trump was an evil piece of shit war criminal, loudly screaming about all of the evil shit he was going.
Holy fuck Lee is liberal
:whitepress:
"War criminal"
His entire campaign ran on being anti-war:giogio:
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Akainu will MAKE ONE PIECE GREAT AGAIN

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Sengoku and Akainu are really no different in terms of their ideology, where they differ is their levels of devotion and how loudly they scream about their beliefs. If you are a creature of inferior IQ, Akainu seems more evil to you because he’s much louder about his beliefs. But in actuality he and Sengoku are the same.
Fundamentally I think they differ, Sengoku blindly appeals to authority and their moral compass whereas Akainu follows his own, which may or may not coincide with what the authorities say.

Sengoku would never object the Gorosei like Akainu does.
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They are both bad, but tbf, most admiral fans don't think Akainu is a good or morally justified individual
Culpability for wrongdoings exists on a scale

The man who attempts to morally reason through a dilemma but reaches the wrong conclusion, intending to find the right one (Akainu)...is more justified than the man who didn't try at all to do the right thing and left such a decision to the authorities knowing they may likely do evil (Sengoku)

One tried to reach the truth with an honest motive, the other didn't try and did what was convenient
 
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#99
Trump is currently running on continuing the Israeli genocide of Palestinians lmfao.
I agree, he's been bought out and the shilling is disgusting. The Gaza War could have been a great opportunity to outflank Biden by calling for the US to restrain Israel but he is willingly shackled by the shekel

Anti war my ass. Dude is bought and owned by Saudi Arabia and the weapons industry
:kappa: I think saying Saudi Arabia is slightly missing the mark, but yes, he is indeed a shell of his former self and that will sadly be reflected in his cabinet when he inevitably wins this year
 
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The amount of bootlickers who love to defend the main villains of the story is just crazy lol

I can even understand someone saying guys like Teach, Crocodile, Kaido and other terrible pirates only exist because of a greater evil that just fuck the whole world into being a shithole.


But defending the Marines? The guys who job is to protect the Celestials Dragon and keep the world fucked? It's like those people who belive police and military really work for us commomfolk and not to defend their rich masters lol.

Ok that some low lvl marines are just brainwashed in believing they are the good guys, pretty much like the average street cops, but the high-lvl Marines know the shit the WG is doing, pretty much like Generals, Ministers and other high lvl people in Security industry know they arent doing their things to protect the people, but to enrich and protect their masters, and get some leftovers of it
 
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