Controversial Why I love Oda and his storytelling.

[Rej]

Oda is all about openmindness or how you spell it.

I would like to take you on a journey for roughly 10-11 minutes if you don't mind.

Watch this part of the discussion where Recon explains to Alex why he loves Wano so much. (01:50:00-02:01:00 roughly)

I have never seen someone going so deep into this and deconstructing Wano on such a metalevel within 10~ minutes of spitting fire.
Oda wouldn't be such a generational master-craftsman, if people wouldn't be able to bounce off Oda's storytelling in such a deep way.

Recon is simply one of the most respected, if not the most respected content creator in the current One Piece sphere; so I personally bounce off that respect and I think what he says here has alot of weight.

I know not everyone will grasp it that way, and on another sad note, I think many people simply refuse to have their eyes opened and/or understand the story better on a metalevel.
Afterall, One Piece most of the time is told on such metalevels.


So my final thoughts to this: One Piece is not just easy fast food that you can chew up every week. Especially after running for 1k+ chapters. The longer such a story gets told, the more the metalevels have to be factored in, in order to get payoffs, like cultural or emotional impacts/weights...inspirations etc.
There will only be One Piece in my life time and I am glad when I can witness such discussions and deconstructions as for example King_Recon serves them in this example.

Also credits to Aleczanxr, check this guy out, he just recently caught up with One Piece and he already deconstructs it better than most One Piece theorists.

Thanks for checking out my tedtalk and I hope I could show the one or other some specialities of the One Piece fandoms.
See ya around.

 

[Peroroncino]

Goda

 

[Roo]

One Piece is not my favorite manga of all time, and sometimes I do think is kinda overrated. But one thing one piece has above everything else imo is the themes of the story. Chasing your dreams and the idea that you’re only limited by your imagination. I don’t think any story has presented that theme better than one piece has, to the point where it’s even in its power system

 

[Luffy is the mc]

If he didn't come up with the Nika bullshit after 1000 chapters, Wano could have been a great arc on a reread.

There were maybe too many characters involved and many of them didn't need the focus he gave them, especially because he did it at the expense of more important characters.
Also it seemed he didn't know what to do with BM. So he treated her very poorly.

These are minor critics but damn, the ending he went for with the whole Nika thing and Luffy's df retcon was just horrible.

And it keeps getting worse in Egghead now.

 

[NAMELESS]

If he didn't come up with the Nika bullshit after 1000 chapters, Wano could have been a great arc on a reread.

There were maybe too many characters involved and many of them didn't need the focus he gave them, especially because he did it at the expense of more important characters.
Also it seemed he didn't know what to do with BM. So he treated her very poorly.

These are minor critics but damn, the ending he went for with the whole Nika thing and Luffy's retcon was just horrible.

And it keeps getting worse in Egghead now.

Wano isn't bad, but its far from the Marineford hype. Lots of fake death, dozens of running around to reach the rooftop, some straw hats didn't get fights, Oda brought in the BMP and had them do nothing, got rid of Jack and PerosPero in 1 panel, lots of fake deaths, BM got done in by lame bombs,Kaido barely got a flashback, completely forgot about Ryuma... there is a lot of bad shit in Wano. Definetily a mess, but an enjoyable one.

 

[Buusatan94]

If he didn't come up with the Nika bullshit after 1000 chapters, Wano could have been a great arc on a reread.

There were maybe too many characters involved and many of them didn't need the focus he gave them, especially because he did it at the expense of more important characters.
Also it seemed he didn't know what to do with BM. So he treated her very poorly.

These are minor critics but damn, the ending he went for with the whole Nika thing and Luffy's retcon was just horrible.

And it keeps getting worse in Egghead now.

Yes, it's sad that things have come this way for One Piece starting with Whole Cake Island arc after the Tamatebakko box explosion, and truly falling with Wano arc, but I guess that unfortunately no story can last this long without knowing the inevitability of decline.

It's sad that I have become this cynical and jaded about One Piece currently, knowing how much I loved the manga and its story before the Yonko saga, with Whole Cake Island being the first fracture and Wano being still a fresh injury in my relation with the manga.

 

[kurwa]

bunch of yapping with no point just like Oda
Oda and his readers are the same, they are the chat GPT that writes nonsense after telling it to write 100 page essay about a chair

 

[Logiko]

Oda is all about openmindness or how you spell it.

I would like to take you on a journey for roughly 10-11 minutes if you don't mind.

Watch this part of the discussion where Recon explains to Alex why he loves Wano so much. (01:50:00-02:01:00 roughly)

I have never seen someone going so deep into this and deconstructing Wano on such a metalevel within 10~ minutes of spitting fire.
Oda wouldn't be such a generational master-craftsman, if people wouldn't be able to bounce off Oda's storytelling in such a deep way.

Recon is simply one of the most respected, if not the most respected content creator in the current One Piece sphere; so I personally bounce off that respect and I think what he says here has alot of weight.

I know not everyone will grasp it that way, and on another sad note, I think many people simply refuse to have their eyes opened and/or understand the story better on a metalevel.
Afterall, One Piece most of the time is told on such metalevels.


So my final thoughts to this: One Piece is not just easy fast food that you can chew up every week. Especially after running for 1k+ chapters. The longer such a story gets told, the more the metalevels have to be factored in, in order to get payoffs, like cultural or emotional impacts/weights...inspirations etc.
There will only be One Piece in my life time and I am glad when I can witness such discussions and deconstructions as for example King_Recon serves them in this example.

Also credits to Aleczanxr, check this guy out, he just recently caught up with One Piece and he already deconstructs it better than most One Piece theorists.

Thanks for checking out my tedtalk and I hope I could show the one or other some specialities of the One Piece fandoms.
See ya around.

I remember finding videos of Recon around 7 years ago and being instantly hooked to his reactions. There was two things that amazed me with him:

- First is his memory. While remembering the story and its details is quite easy when you read it 3 or 4 times, remembering the numbers of the chapters on the other is an incredible skill. I know that from experiences. I must have spent 1 quarter of my life just checking chapters to either creates arguments, analyse or simply read the story. i've done that for pretty much each chapters multiple time and yet, I can only remember the most memorable number, but this guy remember large numbers of chapters ! He has a computing power of extrem precision. And this goes hand in hand with his second skill

- He has a way to reintepret the story in a very organic and efficient way. Everything that he says makes the story engaging and fun. So its really cool to hear him talk about One Piece.

But this is not surprising. The guys is a writer. I don't really know what he writes, (I haven't checked in a while) but he has a lot of knowledge and seems to have some skills.


Yes. One Piece is IT. Its such a great story on so many levels ! Its not perfect but MY GOD USOPP I'm glad its not because it would literally become such a powerful icon that it would wreck the world. It would make Romeo and Juliette look like a studient work and the Odyssey seems like a bedtime story. Such a story would literally become dangerous and ascend to the status of an holy book.

So.. I'M GLAD that One Piece has a lot of flaws and the fact that it can be criticized. But damn... we have to recognize the beauty of this story.. and the sad thing is.. most people will never really understand it. (I hope they do tho, that's why we need to make big threads)

Finally, I'm glad there are still people here who understand the awesomeness of this masterpiece.

 

[Rej]

Finally, I'm glad there are still people here who understand the awesomeness of this masterpiece.

I have always been there lmao, Sadly this forum is either too cluttered and the space to share this thoughts is barely available, or the negativity of certain users and their dire obsession to talk about the negatives is draining on the motivation to hold deep meta discussions here.

If we gather more peeps to talk on metas, then I would be ready to reengage in more discussions here in a positive and respectful manner ofc.

 

[Logiko]

I have always been there lmao, Sadly this forum is either too cluttered and the space to share this thoughts is barely available, or the negativity of certain users and their dire obsession to talk about the negatives is draining on the motivation to hold deep meta discussions here.

If we gather more peeps to talk on metas, then I would be ready to reengage in more discussions here in a positive and respectful manner ofc.

I'm trying to push as hard as I can for some restructuration in the forum to limitate this kind of negativity, but the moderation is kinda.. "absent" right now.

If you want and if you think that negativity is a big problem that must change, I can invite you to a convo I started with the staff (I'm waiting for their answer). You might talked to them about your appreciation of said negativity, it might help move the lines a little.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Yes, it's sad that things have come this way for One Piece starting with Whole Cake Island arc after the Tamatebakko box explosion, and truly falling with Wano arc, but I guess that unfortunately no story can last this long without knowing the inevitability of decline.

It's sad that I have become this cynical and jaded about One Piece currently, knowing how much I loved the manga and its story before the Yonko saga, with Whole Cake Island being the first fracture and Wano being still a fresh injury in my relation with the manga.

I enjoyed some parts of WCI but the wedding cake plot was an horrible idea.
But there were great characters during this arc, like Katakuri, Mont D'or, Pedro, Perospero, Bege, that I really liked.

I will finish OP because there are still some characters that I love and simply because after so many chapters I want to see the end of it.

 

[Rej]

I'm trying to push as hard as I can for some restructuration in the forum to limitate this kind of negativity, but the moderation is kinda.. "absent" right now.

If you want and if you think that negativity is a big problem that must change, I can invite you to a convo I started with the staff (I'm waiting for their answer). You might talked to them about your appreciation of said negativity, it might help move the lines a little.

I think mods won't listen to this, but maybe all the One Piece lovers and preachers should reach their hands out to eachother and slowbuild a vocal subcommunity here. We then can just ignore the negativity (not interact with it) and keep on cooking between each others.

Once we have our threads and people going we can come to the mods and ask them to filter uncontributive circlespinning shit from the threads. Pretty sure once we have something established they would have to give in to it.

Anyway on topic:

I love this geezers. They are real connoisseurs of stories and deconstruct the series while not even caught up with it. That is the spirit! xD

 

[Uncle Van]

One Piece has always been great at thematic story telling and that didn't change postskip. Problem is that the execution has substantially decreased in quality. Plot holes, wasted plot points and inconsistencies have become a mountain from a hill.

 

[Logiko]

I enjoyed some parts of WCI but the wedding cake plot was an horrible idea.

It was a great ideas. This was the perfect idea to conclude the character arc of Sanji.

One Piece has always been great at thematic story telling and that didn't change postskip. Problem is that the execution has substantially decreased in quality. Plot holes, wasted plot points and inconsistencies have become a mountain from a hill.

What plot holes, what wasted plot points ? Can you be more precise ?

 

[Owl Ki]

"One Piece is about open-mindedness!"

"So anyway, I want to create a closed echo chamber where I don't have to interact with people whose opinions I hate seeing and the mods should be my enforcers!"

Lel.

@Rej Just make a PM group chat, invite the people you want and stay on there if you hate dealing with the rest of us plebs. That or leave this forum and find a different one more suited to your sensibilities, no one is forcing you to be on this site.

The idea that the mods should have to bend over backwards to accommodate your inability to tolerate others not agreeing with you over a manga is comically narcissistic.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

If he didn't come up with the Nika bullshit after 1000 chapters, Wano could have been a great arc on a reread.

There were maybe too many characters involved and many of them didn't need the focus he gave them, especially because he did it at the expense of more important characters.
Also it seemed he didn't know what to do with BM. So he treated her very poorly.

These are minor critics but damn, the ending he went for with the whole Nika thing and Luffy's df retcon was just horrible.

And it keeps getting worse in Egghead now.

This. This is one of the only problems I have with post ts tbh.

 

[Logiko]

"One Piece is about open-mindedness!"

"So anyway, I want to create a closed echo chamber where I don't have to interact with people whose opinions I hate seeing and the mods should be my enforcers!"

Lel.

@Rej Just make a PM group chat, invite the people you want and stay on there if you hate dealing with the rest of us plebs. That or leave this forum and find a different one more suited to your sensibilities, no one is forcing you to be on this site.

The idea that the mods should have to bend over backwards to accommodate your inability to tolerate others not agreeing with you over a manga is comically narcissistic.

The problem is that you guys don't even understand that this for already became an echo chamber... but of HATRED toward One Piece. Its literally a system on auto-feed.

If he didn't come up with the Nika bullshit after 1000 chapters, Wano could have been a great arc on a reread.

He probably come up with Nika long before even writing the first chapter of the story bro. This is not even difficult to analyzse and understand. You are missing all the plantings of the power in the story.

Those who talk about retcon with G5 ABSOLUTELY DO NOT understand this revelation to the slightest. Not even one bit.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The problem is that you guys don't even understand that this for already became an echo chamber... but of HATRED toward One Piece. Its literally a system on auto-feed.



He probably come up with Nika long before even writing the first chapter of the story bro. This is not even difficult to analyzse and understand. You are missing all the plantings of the power in the story.

Those who talk about retcon with G5 ABSOLUTELY DO NOT understand this revelation to the slightest. Not even one bit.

We understand it. We just don't think it's well written.
Lol at the "Nika was written before even the first chapter" stuff

 

[Uncle Van]

Nika had no build up or foreshadowing leading up to the reveal(WsW randomly talking about it 7 chapters before isn't it), and created the plot hole of the Gorosei not giving a shit about the SHs for the longest time. Even when they knew exactly where Luffy was going, they did nothing or the bare minimum.

 

[Buusatan94]

One Piece has always been great at thematic story telling and that didn't change postskip. Problem is that the execution has substantially decreased in quality. Plot holes, wasted plot points and inconsistencies have become a mountain from a hill.

It certainely turned into a mountain during the Yonko saga, surely the best example of great ideas (but also several horrible ones) with poor execution in the manga, the manga being too bloated in terms of characters with several characters taking too much focus when they don't deserve to while others were cruelly neglected or wasted (such as the Calamities, especially Jack, BM and Smoothie, Hawkins and Apoo) the story cruelly lacking actual stakes and tensions, and of course the story being stalled and the arc being far too long during Wano, and of course the Nika retcon with zero foreshadowing before Wano.