Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

Are you really trying to compare someone who has a psychic suffering and therefore an eating disorder because of it, to trans people here ?


Planned parenthood is an institution which allows young LGBTQI+ people and young women (or men in some cases) to survive people like you.

Its a globalist institution that promotes abortion and other abominations.

 

[Reborn]

@Xione bodied logiko to such an extent that latter had no counter arguments to former points

 

[Ravagerblade]

That word is derogatory in case you don't know.

It's plural.... It's time for people to stay being so sensitive. But sure let it be "derogatory" idc.

 

[Xione]

On a forum full of far rightist and confused liberals, I can only take this type of contempt as a W.

The one coming to defense of an oppressed people is the one to label people who even disagree with your labeling... very very interesting.

You are not gonna tell someone who has been fighting against transphobia for years what it is or what its not Billy.

This include all type of rethoric destined to delegitimize trans people

Uhhh I am? And I just did? One of the very first things I stated in the initial post you replied to is how the term has been used wrong continuously lol. Now let's go with the wikipedia definition you posted. You labeled me as transphobic, so let's see if I have expressed any of the below towards transgender:
- Fear? nope
- aversion? nope
- hatred? nope
- violence? nope
- anger? nope

So let alone the actual terminology, you're not even using the social definition of the term that you claim to be going by from Wikipedia.

No its not fine. Its called a prejudice. Why ? For the exact F. reason I'm talking about just two line above:

It creates a discourse meant to delegitimize trans people.

And this is also for the moderation that has a STRONG problem recognizing transphobia here: @AL sama @Uncle Van @Natalija

I don't care if you people don't like trans people or if you think trans women are not women. You have the right to think it. Again, no one F. care.

BUT

You have no right to say it and thus delegitimize the existence of millions of people on this planet on a forum when said person could see your message !

Is that clear ?

Sweetheart Mary, please read this carefully.

Discourse can be created by good things or bad things. People who are going to delegitimize somebody as a human being will do so regardless of what I say or what I don't say. To use this as an excuse to confine people from having open discussions in public regarding their personal beliefs is in itself expressing a form of social tyranny. To then berate those people from having non-malice intent conversations on a topic that might hurt your feelings because you're not emotionally grown enough... is in hate speech. You are the one in the wrong. You are the one asserting your insecurities upon others. You are the one maliciously labeling people who don't fall under even the definition you go by for transphobia.. as transphobic. Mary my darling... you must reflect.

As long as you're a human being, you have the right to discuss all things related to human beings in public. That includes positive and negative views on transgender, homosexuality, religions of all sort, bisexuality, monogomy, polygomy, so on and so forth. That is your right as a human being

Is that 100% clear?

Yes it is. That's what you don't realize.

You saying "A trans woman is not a woman" is like me saying that you are not a human. Its the deny and delegitimization of your existence. This is an act of DEHUMANIZATION. So yes, this is hate speech 101

No, me saying a human who is a trans woman is not a woman... but a trans woman... is simply me saying they are a trans woman. It isn't dehumanization, you choosing to be trans is your choice. You chose to be a transwoman, why would you be accepted as a biologically born woman? Simply embrace your trans identity. For somebody who talks about accepting people for who they are, why do you want transwomen to be accepted as biological women when they're not, instead of simply as transwomen?

That is not dehumanizing them. That is calling them for who they are... transwomen.

Now if you're referring to my statement example of "Transwomen are men trying to be women"... then yes that is still not dehumanizing anybody, except telling you what a transwoman is. They are a man who is trying to be a woman, but they will not be a woman because they were sadly not biologically born as women... thus they are transwomen. Embrace that, why run from it????

Only person who has used anything coming close to hate speech in our posts is sadly you my friend.

T'es bouché ou quoi ?

I just told you that I do not believe.

You told me specifically, yes... that to not accept a way of life is to discriminate against that way of life when I gave you the various examples.

What does to accept mean? to believe or come to recognize (an opinion, explanation, etc.) as valid or correct.

You do not believe in Islam... you do not think it's valid or correct... meaning you do not accept Islam... meaning according to YOUR ideology shown in this post... you are an Islamophobe.

Which I told you, disagreeing with Islam =/= discriminating against muslims.

Not in the case of an identity on a social plateform where said people can see and therefore be hurt by what you say. (and don't give me the "words don't hurt" BS or I will have to tell you how I know people who almost committed suicide because of simple words.

And do you care at all about if somebody is hurt by your continuous attempts at oppressing people from having an open conversation? I doubt it.

Nothing about what I said would hurt an actual transperson, since I've already expressed my ideology to them openly.
Nothing about what I said would hurt a muslim/christian/etc, since I've already expressed my ideology to them openly.

Interestingly they can recognize that me disagreeing with their viewpoints on their lifestyle doesn't prevent me from still supporting them having the same human and governmental rights as me.

This is literally what discrimination is : the action of prejudice against people because of their race, identity or believes.

Again, prejudice can come in a lot of forms.

Trust me that if you try to find excuse to be a despicable human being, we are not gonna be friend Bobby.

Prejudice:
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

Absolutely nothing I said had anything to do with prejudice, lol.

I'm not trying to be friends, my dear Lucy.

 

[NAMELESS]

@Xione bodied logiko to such an extent that latter had no counter arguments to former points

He said gender disphoria was of mental nature, now he backtracked for some reason. My guy will end up saying they have feminine soul or something at some point

 

[Xione]

As far as i'm aware, his native language is french.

Ahh ok, should've read this before replying then.

 

[NAMELESS]

Ahh ok, should've read this before replying then.

I think we broke Logiko. He has gone silent.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

On a forum full of far rightist and confused liberals, I can only take this type of contempt as a W.


You are not gonna tell someone who has been fighting against transphobia for years what it is or what its not Billy.

Do you honestly believe, that you are some type of Liberal Batman?

 

[NAMELESS]

The one coming to defense of an oppressed people is the one to label people who even disagree with your labeling... very very interesting.



Uhhh I am? And I just did? One of the very first things I stated in the initial post you replied to is how the term has been used wrong continuously lol. Now let's go with the wikipedia definition you posted. You labeled me as transphobic, so let's see if I have expressed any of the below towards transgender:
- Fear? nope
- aversion? nope
- hatred? nope
- violence? nope
- anger? nope

So let alone the actual terminology, you're not even using the social definition of the term that you claim to be going by from Wikipedia.




Sweetheart Mary, please read this carefully.

Discourse can be created by good things or bad things. People who are going to delegitimize somebody as a human being will do so regardless of what I say or what I don't say. To use this as an excuse to confine people from having open discussions in public regarding their personal beliefs is in itself expressing a form of social tyranny. To then berate those people from having non-malice intent conversations on a topic that might hurt your feelings because you're not emotionally grown enough... is in hate speech. You are the one in the wrong. You are the one asserting your insecurities upon others. You are the one maliciously labeling people who don't fall under even the definition you go by for transphobia.. as transphobic. Mary my darling... you must reflect.

As long as you're a human being, you have the right to discuss all things related to human beings on a public forum. That includes positive and negative views on transgender, homosexuality, religions of all sort, bisexuality, monogomy, polygomy, so on and so forth. That is your right as a human being

Is that 100% clear?


No, me saying a human who is a trans woman is not a woman... but a trans woman... is simply me saying they are a trans woman. It isn't dehumanization, you choosing to be trans is your choice. You chose to be a transwoman, why would you be accepted as a biologically born woman? Simply embrace your trans identity. For somebody who talks about accepting people for who they are, why do you want transwomen to be accepted as biological women when they're not, instead of simply as transwomen?

That is not dehumanizing them. That is calling them for who they are... transwomen.

Now if you're referring to my statement example of "Transwomen are men trying to be women"... then yes that is still not dehumanizing anybody, except telling you what a transwoman is. They are a man who is trying to be a woman, but they will not be a woman because they were sadly not biologically born as women... thus they are transwomen. Embrace that, why run from it????

Only person who has used anything coming close to hate speech in our posts is sadly you my friend.



You told me specifically, yes... that to not accept a way of life is to discriminate against that way of life when I gave you the various examples.

What does to accept mean? to believe or come to recognize (an opinion, explanation, etc.) as valid or correct.

You do not believe in Islam... you do not think it's valid or correct... meaning you do not accept Islam... meaning according to YOUR ideology shown in this post... you are an Islamophobe.

Which I told you, disagreeing with Islam =/= discriminating against muslims.

And do you care at all about if somebody is hurt by your continuous attempts at oppressing people from having an open conversation? I doubt it.

Nothing about what I said would hurt an actual transperson, since I've already expressed my ideology to them openly.
Nothing about what I said would hurt a muslim/christian/etc, since I've already expressed my ideology to them openly.

Interestingly they can recognize that me disagreeing with their viewpoints on their lifestyle doesn't prevent me from still supporting them having the same human and governmental rights as me.



Prejudice:
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

Absolutely nothing I said had anything to do with prejudice, lol.

I'm not trying to be friends, my dear Lucy.

I think this is so basic and childlike that nobody cared to tell this to c4n/logiko. The guy has an urge to have his beliefs accepted. People like that will never be happy. Some serious validation issues. Insecurity basically.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

On a forum full of far rightist and confused liberals, I can only take this type of contempt as a W.

 

[Logiko]

I think we broke Logiko. He has gone silent.

Nah, I'm just typing, I have to debunk a lot of BS, so it takes time

You have no principles when you fight for trannies etc and making them a protected class above others.
That's just special rights.

When you will be rejected by your entire family and social circle and crying all the tears of your body not being able to find a job simply because you outed yourself as a trans. You will be glad to have people to count on who will place your interest a little bit on top of the people who just threw you out.

Prejudice:
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

Prejudice by definition is a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. Using words and terms by definition isn't prejudice. Some made up definition from some random website does not override textbook, universal definitions.

Van.. once again making big excuses not to moderate transphobia. Literally trying to dismiss the description of transphobia of an institution that fight transphobia and protect actively LGBTQI+ from transphobia.

At one point, I will start to ask some questions...

Saying that trans women are men or that trans men are women. Is a form of attitude that is HARMFULL to trans people in the sence that it delegitimizes them and dehumanizes them.

If you can't understand those simple words and this simple explanation, there is a big problem.

All I'm asking you, is to moderate said content.

@Logiko you said it was a "mental injury". What made you change your mind?

He said gender disphoria was of mental nature, now he backtracked for some reason. My guy will end up saying they have feminine soul or something at some point

didn't you say it was a "mental injury"?

Yes, talking about gender disphoria, which is not necessarily something that is eternal Freud.

I never said that trans identity is a mental injury, I described gender disphoria that way. Gender disphoria is a pathology that I prefer to see as a mental injury since it means that with time and a good treatment (transition), the wound can heal.

Pathology = / = Identity
Get it ?



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@Xione bodied logiko to such an extent that latter had no counter arguments to former points

That's what you saw ?

The one coming to defense of an oppressed people is the one to label people who even disagree with your labeling... very very interesting.

I never label people with discriminatory terms l'ami. I'm always respectful, even when I'm actually not respecting you.

Uhhh I am? And I just did? One of the very first things I stated in the initial post you replied to is how the term has been used wrong continuously lol. Now let's go with the wikipedia definition you posted. You labeled me as transphobic, so let's see if I have expressed any of the below towards transgender:
- Fear? nope
- aversion? nope
- hatred? nope
- violence? nope
- anger? nope

Prejudice, mate, the term you are seeking is prejudice ;)
Rethoric meant to deligitimize the identity, humanity or existence of trans people is literally what transphobia is. If you don't understand that maybe you will understand with this :

What would you think if said one day that black people are not human ?

You would think that its harmfull and racist right ?

So... what is the difference with saying that "trans women are not women" or that "trans men are not men"? Well NONE. Simply because in both case you are negating the existence and dehumanizing the person and its identity. You are denying its own self and humanity, you are denying what makes them all.

And SPOILERS, you can't even say that "racism stands on a systemic oppression and the other not" since BOTH stands on systemic oppressions.

So. Don't use transphobic rethoric.

Sweetheart Mary, please read this carefully.

Ow that's sweet. Someone nice and gentle for once, you guys are evolving.

People who are going to delegitimize somebody as a human being will do so regardless of what I say or what I don't say.

Yes. That's why moderations exist

To use this as an excuse to confine people from having open discussions in public regarding their personal beliefs is in itself expressing a form of social tyranny.

You can have all the BS beliefs you want as long as you are not being racist, transphobic, sexist or ableist.

You don't have to be a jerk to sound intelligent my dear.

To then berate those people from having non-malice intent conversations on a topic that might hurt your feelings because you're not emotionally grown enough... is in hate speech.

That's what you don't understand. I'm not hurt by it. In fact, you could storm the forum with transphobic or ableist rethoric and I would still not be hurt by it. But I have strenght in my left and I'm not tired. Some people are and some people don't have the strenght to read one more transphobic comment.

And don't give me the BS about "but in that case you don't come here, its toxic". Yes it can be toxic, but it doesn't have to be dangerous.

You are the one in the wrong. You are the one asserting your insecurities upon others.

Not really no. You are the one who either don't care who is completely uninformed about the subject.

Mary my darling... you must reflect.

I you must think mary cury wannabe. A little bit. Because right here, you might think that you are "owning" me because you have the entire reactionnary family and the confused liberal uncle backing you up...

.. but you are facing a mountain that you are not ready to climb just yet.

As long as you're a human being, you have the right to discuss all things related to human beings in public.

No, I don't think that you have the right to be a racist bigot in private social internet spaces. And this apply to transphobia as well.

Is that 100% clear?

Oh ! Interesting. So you really want to play with me then..



Then allow me to attack a little bit stronger.

No, me saying a human who is a trans woman is not a woman... but a trans woman...

Its both.
Delegitimizing the "womanhood" of a transwoman is refusing her existence, its delegitimizing her identity and her humanity.

It isn't dehumanization, you choosing to be trans is your choice.

1. Not as long as you do'nt refuse to call them "a woman".
2. Its not a choice Freud wannabe, its an identity. You don't "choose" to be trans, you are. Plain and simple.

"Transwomen are men trying to be women"... then yes that is still not dehumanizing anybody

Yes it is.

For somebody who talks about accepting people for who they are, why do you want transwomen to be accepted as biological women when they're not, instead of simply as transwomen?

And this is where I can see that you understand absolutely nothing about the subject overall.

Sex is not gender and gender is not sex.

https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender

So. Don't try to use biology just to excuse transphobia, it won't work.

Woman/man = Gender
Male/female = Sexual characteristics

So when a trans man want to be called a man, he doesn't refer to his biology, but his GENDER.

Now, please. have fun and educate yourself in the LEFTIST LIBRARY, I have an entire section on the subject full of ressources and studies just for you to explore.

What does to accept mean? to believe or come to recognize (an opinion, explanation, etc.) as valid or correct.

No. To accept a belief means to accept the legitimacy of people to be able to believe or have the right to believe.

Simple.

And do you care at all about if somebody is hurt by your continuous attempts at oppressing people from having an open conversation? I doubt it.

If you feel oppressed by me asking you to stop being a bad human being... then I can't really help you. That's beyond my paygrade.

Which I told you, disagreeing with Islam =/= discriminating against muslims.

Yeah. I long as you don't go against the right of people to believe, I see no problems with that.

We are not talking about an identity that you can't get rid off.

Nothing about what I said would hurt an actual transperson, since I've already expressed my ideology to them openly.

That I don't know, I only know that it has the potential to harm.

Nothing about what I said would hurt a muslim/christian/etc, since I've already expressed my ideology to them openly.

As long as you don't go against the right of people to believe and you don't repeat a form of oppression, I don't see a problem.

disagreeing with their viewpoints on their lifestyle

Delegitimizing the trans identity of someone is not "disagreeing" with their viewpoint or lifestyle, its dehumanizing and delegitimizing their identity.

Not the same thing.

Absolutely nothing I said had anything to do with prejudice, lol.

I'm not trying to be friends, my dear Lucy.

Everything you said as everything to do with prejudice mate. You lost an occasion to appear intelligent. Too bad Einstein.

that you are some type of Liberal Batman?

A liberal conservative ? (that's what Batman is)

Its not really pertinent to compare leftist to liberals, but its even less pertinent to compare leftists to super heroes.

Unless you know someone that is ready to redistribute the ressources, that is willing to open the borders and cut any frontiere walls, save migrants, that is promoting the end of patriarchy on TV, that is willing to block stormtroopers in the streets to help protesters, that is sabotaging in secrecy big anti-environemental process, that is helping people in strikes and promote unions, that making funding compaign and reversing everything to social services and institutes like Planned parenthood, that is kicking the sh*t of all the neonazi he can see...

.. Then yes.. I would be honored to be compared to this Super Hero. But I don't think they will exist anytime soon.

I think this is so basic and childlike that nobody cared to tell this to c4n/logiko. The guy has an urge to have his beliefs accepted. People like that will never be happy. Some serious validation issues. Insecurity basically.

Nah, its mainly for the plaisure of contradicting bigots like you

Nice ! Carrot would appreciate

 

[Akai2]

I listened to the new Eminem album and thought it sucked/was mid, but promised someone to give it another listen today after he explained the concept to me, so I can represent what Xione wants to say with this lol

http://imgur.com/a/jcuvdP3

On that note, can you give me a filler in the rap thread here? https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-vs-kendrick-all-out-war-thread.56129/page-40

 

[Ravagerblade]

@Logiko

 

[NAMELESS]

Nah, I'm just typing, I have to debunk a lot of BS, so it takes time



When you will be rejected by your entire family and social circle and crying all the tears of your body not being able to find a job simply because you outed yourself as a trans. You will be glad to have people to count on who will place your interest a little bit on top of the people who just threw you out.

Van.. once again making big excuses not to moderate transphobia. Literally trying to dismiss the description of transphobia of an institution that fight transphobia and protect actively LGBTQI+ from transphobia.

At one point, I will start to ask some questions...

Saying that trans women are men or that trans men are women. Is a form of attitude that is HARMFULL to trans people in the sence that it delegitimizes them and dehumanizes them.

If you can't understand those simple words and this simple explanation, there is a big problem.

All I'm asking you, is to moderate said content.





Yes, talking about gender disphoria, which is not necessarily something that is eternal Freud.

I never said that trans identity is a mental injury, I described gender disphoria that way. Gender disphoria is a pathology that I prefer to see as a mental injury since it means that with time and a good treatment (transition), the wound can heal.

Pathology = / = Identity
Get it ?



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That's what you saw ?






I never label people with discriminatory terms l'ami. I'm always respectful, even when I'm actually not respecting you.


Prejudice, mate, the term you are seeking is prejudice ;)
Rethoric meant to deligitimize the identity, humanity or existence of trans people is literally what transphobia is. If you don't understand that maybe you will understand with this :

What would you think if said one day that black people are not human ?

You would think that its harmfull and racist right ?

So... what is the difference with saying that "trans women are not women" or that "trans men are not men"? Well NONE. Simply because in both case you are negating the existence and dehumanizing the person and its identity. You are denying its own self and humanity, you are denying what makes them all.

And SPOILERS, you can't even say that "racism stands on a systemic oppression and the other not" since BOTH stands on systemic oppressions.

So. Don't use transphobic rethoric.




Ow that's sweet. Someone nice and gentle for once, you guys are evolving.


Yes. That's why moderations exist





You can have all the BS beliefs you want as long as you are not being racist, transphobic, sexist or ableist.

You don't have to be a jerk to sound intelligent my dear.


That's what you don't understand. I'm not hurt by it. In fact, you could storm the forum with transphobic or ableist rethoric and I would still not be hurt by it. But I have strenght in my left and I'm not tired. Some people are and some people don't have the strenght to read one more transphobic comment.

And don't give me the BS about "but in that case you don't come here, its toxic". Yes it can be toxic, but it doesn't have to be dangerous.



Not really no. You are the one who either don't care who is completely uninformed about the subject.



I you must think mary cury wannabe. A little bit. Because right here, you might think that you are "owning" me because you have the entire reactionnary family and the confused liberal uncle backing you up...

.. but you are facing a mountain that you are not ready to climb just yet.




No, I don't think that you have the right to be a racist bigot in private social internet spaces. And this apply to transphobia as well.


Oh ! Interesting. So you really want to play with me then..



Then allow me to attack a little bit stronger.


Its both.
Delegitimizing the "womanhood" of a transwoman is refusing her existence, its delegitimizing her identity and her humanity.



1. Not as long as you do'nt refuse to call them "a woman".
2. Its not a choice Freud wannabe, its an identity. You don't "choose" to be trans, you are. Plain and simple.


Yes it is.





And this is where I can see that you understand absolutely nothing about the subject overall.

Sex is not gender and gender is not sex.

https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender

So. Don't try to use biology just to excuse transphobia, it won't work.

Woman/man = Gender
Male/female = Sexual characteristics

So when a trans man want to be called a man, he doesn't refer to his biology, but his GENDER.

Now, please. have fun and educate yourself in the LEFTIST LIBRARY, I have an entire section on the subject full of ressources and studies just for you to explore.



No. To accept a belief means to accept the legitimacy of people to be able to believe or have the right to believe.

Simple.

If you feel oppressed by me asking you to stop being a bad human being... then I can't really help you. That's beyond my paygrade.



Yeah. I long as you don't go against the right of people to believe, I see no problems with that.

We are not talking about an identity that you can't get rid off.



That I don't know, I only know that it has the potential to harm.



As long as you don't go against the right of people to believe and you don't repeat a form of oppression, I don't see a problem.



Delegitimizing the trans identity of someone is not "disagreeing" with their viewpoint or lifestyle, its dehumanizing and delegitimizing their identity.

Not the same thing.


Everything you said as everything to do with prejudice mate. You lost an occasion to appear intelligent. Too bad Einstein.



A liberal conservative ? (that's what Batman is)

Its not really pertinent to compare leftist to liberals, but its even less pertinent to compare leftists to super heroes.

Unless you know someone that is ready to redistribute the ressources, that is willing to open the borders and cut any frontiere walls, save migrants, that is promoting the end of patriarchy on TV, that is willing to block stormtroopers in the streets to help protesters, that is sabotaging in secrecy big anti-environemental process, that is helping people in strikes and promote unions, that making funding compaign and reversing everything to social services and institutes like Planned parenthood, that is kicking the sh*t of all the neonazi he can see...

.. Then yes.. I would be honored to be compared to this Super Hero. But I don't think they will exist anytime soon.



Nah, its mainly for the plaisure of contradicting bigots like you



Nice ! Carrot would appreciate

Whenever i log in the forum,be it night or day,weekend or not, you are in here posting walls of text to somebody. You are doing this to seek attention and validation. Stop fooling yourself. You are 35. Get help. Change your life.

 

[Akai2]

Still #Logiko2024

 

[Logiko]

I listened to the new Eminem album and thought it sucked/was mid, but promised someone to give it another listen today after he explained the concept to me, so I can represent what Xione wants to say with this lol

Slim is such a Jerk

Whenever i log in the forum,be it night or day,weekend or not, you are in here posting walls of text to somebody. You are doing this to seek attention and validation. Stop fooling yourself. You are 35. Get help. Change your life.

You log on this forum "day night weekend or not"... and you want to give me lessons about attention and validation ?

Still #Logiko2024

Keep the good work

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Still #Logiko2024

He would (barely) be more competent than our current candidates

 

[Logiko]

He would (barely) be more competent than our current candidates

They would live in a real socialist country... trust me that they would never call liberals "leftists" ever again

 

[Akai2]

He would (barely) be more competent than our current candidates

Logiko is a good guy. I know people here disagree, but his heart is in the right place.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Logiko is a good guy. I know people here disagree, but his heart is in the right place.

I try to be nice to him and talk to him sometimes because he seems likely a genuinely great person, he just has really bad political takes lol