Stop trying to put your ideals on people.
...........

I ignored your post cause I disagreed with what you stated. I then reply to another user who replied to me, yet you still continue to ramble, and I stress the word ramble on about your ideals.

Yet are claiming I am putting my ideals on people. When you want people in here to forsake their ideals to conform to you and those you're defending.

Hypocrisy has limits.
 
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I ignored your post cause I disagreed with what you stated. I then reply to another user who replied to me, yet you still continue to ramble, and I stress the word ramble on about your ideals.
If you think that I will let transphobic rethoric pass just because its not meant for me, you are underestimating my stubborness.


Yet are claiming I am putting my ideals on people. When you want people in here to forsake their ideals to conform to you and those you're defending.
Yes.

I should have added the word "toxic/transphobic" in front of ideal. You would have understood why my ideals have not the same value as yours in this context

:sanmoji:



Bon....



I have explained the reality of Trans people in different methods and pedagogy SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD.

I have shared scientific paper to make people understand the subject ALL OVER THIS THREAD.

I have shared testimonies of trans people and militant who work with trans people in difficulties CONSTANTLY

I have demonstrated the oppression of Trans people at EVERY STEP OF THIS THREAD.

By now, every one with good intentions should have been able to understand.

So taking that into account, I'm now lowering the bar.

I will now start to consider any type of transphobic rethoric or rethoric meant to question the legitimacy of trans people or their identity as part of an ideological and REACTIONNARY push to deny some rights to those people.
 
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If you think that I will let transphobic rethoric pass just because its not meant for me, you are underestimating my stubborness.



Yes.

I should have added the word "toxic/transphobic" in front of ideal. You would have understood why my ideals have not the



Bon....



I have explained the reality of Trans people in different methods and pedagogy SINCE THE BEGINNING.

I have shared scientific paper to make people understand the subject ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THIS THREAD.

I have shared testimonies of trans people and militant who work with trans people in difficulties at least CONSTANTLY

I have demonstrated the oppression of Trans people at EVERY STEP OF THIS THREAD.

By now, every one with good intentions should have been able to understand.

So taking that into account, I'm now lowering the bar.

I will now start to consider any type of transphobic rethoric or rethoric meant to question the legitimacy of trans people or their identity as part of an ideological and REACTIONNARY push to deny some rights to those people.
That is quite the rambling to just admit you're a hypocrite.
 
It's pretty clear what I called you a hypocrite on. There is absolutely no way your English comprehension is that low Logiko.
:seriously:
The only thing that is pretty clear is how badly you understand trans issues. Aside from that, no, I don't really understand what you are talking about mate.
 
Yet are claiming I am putting my ideals on people. When you want people in here to forsake their ideals to conform to you and those you're defending.
This ?

I replied already.

Your transphobic rethoric here does not have the same value as mine. Hence why I'm telling you to stop telling BS while explaining stuff you should understand.

You are imagining that my words about the subject are as valuable as yours. Its not the case.

So there is no hypocrisy here. I'm very clear with you.
 
Wait.. actually I'm not sure if I reported Ravager or not. I can't remember.

I just remembered something : The guy posted something so problematic that I choosed not to reply and let him marinate in his juice.

Can't remember what it was tho. @Uncle Van do you?
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Just reading this makes me go crazy lol

My thoughts and prayers are with those people who are actually surrounded by this insanity


@RayanOO I will no longer troll you - now I understand why are you so crazy :smoothy:
 
This ?

I replied already.

Your transphobic rethoric here does not have the same value as mine. Hence why I'm telling you to stop telling BS while explaining stuff you should understand.

You are imagining that my words about the subject are as valuable as yours. Its not the case.

So there is no hypocrisy here. I'm very clear with you.
Your claim: Stop putting your ideals on others
My statement: you despite being ignored of disagreement have continue to press your ideology on me.

You're being called hypocrite on the premise that you're telling me I am pushing my ideologies (transphobic or toxic doesn't matter) on to other people, while you're replying to my convos with other people after I ignored you due to disagreement that was not going to be solved, where you aggressively attack me. Not only have I not pushed anything on to other people, hell I don't even do that in anime debates, rather simply shared my viewpoint and then kept it moving once I saw there would no point in continuing further. You not only attacked me with hate speech, you then defamed me by claiming I'm pushing my ideology on to other people.... when there's only one person who I'd be able to push ideology on in this chat, which is you... and yet I haven't even done that. You will now try to counter this by manipulating the English language into your weird French mindset, instead of acknowledging your fuck up.

The value of your subject or my subject have 0 relevance here to the principle of pushing one's ideals on another.


As far as BS goes, not only have you continuously shown a very poor understanding of the English language in using basic terms like prejudice, racism, transphobia, and just recently a complete lack of understanding how the terms man and woman have been used. You then ramble continuously to people about things that aren't directly related to the point that's being addressed by spamming articles due to getting emotional. When myself & @Uncle Van attempted to explain to you the usage of prejudice, you tried to counter by posting the definition from dictionary.com, you then highlighted the specific listed definitions that you were implying you were going by... and despite that YOU STILL MISUSED IT AGAINST ME....rather than calling you a moron, a complete idiot, or such things. I ignored your post and kept it moving, figuring there's no point in continuing a discussion where you as a non-English speaker clearly don't have an understanding of terminology. Which we went through again today with man-woman...to which I proceeded to ignore you again.

Did it end there? Oh no, now you just displayed that you don't understand what the term identity means, where you attempt to counter the idea that identity is not just who the individual is socially but also biologically. By doing what? trying to change the definition of identity that'd fit your agenda. Which seems to be a common theme here in your posts and those who run your agenda, then you revert back to "ohh but-t-t-t-t in french alallala".

Hell you didn't even understand that accepting the ideology/lifestyle of Islam is believing in Islam's ideologies. Because you don't understand English terminology, which isn't an issue by any means. Then you continuously misuse the word "rights".

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You then continue to display that you like imagining arguments to argue against, which multiple people have called you out on. When people tell you they aren't transphobic and they're fine with Trans people having the same rights as them, you continuously push a label that doesn't fit them... because you personally want to push an agenda.

Majority if not all the people here understand everything related to trans folks, what most are arguing against is the terminology, which you're trying to force them to agree to. Yes people don't want to call those who aren't biological females, women... that is a matter of defining what the term refers to. You bringing science into it and spamming links to articles, is by no means helping your points... hence they're constantly ignored. Why? Because the same terminology disagreement would exist between us and the individuals writing those articles. Just as bringing up race dysmorphia in order to to support people should start labeling each other by the race they choose to identify with rather than their biology isn't going to be met with open arms... I reckon Transracial will be your next ideology to defend, and all the props to you if it is best of lucky.

Being Trans is not accepted in Islam (despite many people attempting to now change it to appease folks like yourself). You by trying to force those people to accepting being Trans, are infringing on their right to practice their religion and faith. Which would make you Islamophobic by the logic you go around throwing "transphobic" with. That doesn't mean Transpeople and Muslims cannot co-exist. But you'd probably want the billion+ Muslims to change their linguistics to accommodate the less than 1% transfolks, knowing how irrational it is.

People with different ideologies can co-exist and will continue to do so. I and others will continue to live alongside trans people respecting their human and government rights, while continuing to use the language how we've always used among ourselves in public and private.

Anyhow this is my final post on the thread, yourself and others can freely reply to it.
 
Your claim: Stop putting your ideals on others
My statement: you despite being ignored of disagreement have continue to press your ideology on me.
Yeah, and I replied. I forgot to add the terms "transphobic/toxic ideas" talking about your ideals. :)


(transphobic or toxic doesn't matter)
Yes it does.


Not only have I not pushed anything on to other people, hell I don't even do that in anime debates, rather simply shared my viewpoint
Sharing a transphobic viewpoint is pushing transphobia on potential trans people who could come here.

A viewpoint is not just a viewpoint. When shared, it can be something hurtfull.


You will now try to counter this by manipulating the English language into your weird French mindset, instead of acknowledging your fuck up.
Nop. Simply replying to you

:sanmoji:

I don't need to manipulate language in order to make my points.


The value of your subject or my subject have 0 relevance here to the principle of pushing one's ideals on another.
This sentence doesn't make sence.


not only have you continuously shown a very poor understanding of the English language in using basic terms like prejudice, racism, transphobia,
Hm.. nop.

I think its you who don't understand those terms. I have a very precise and political knowledge of those terms mate


You then ramble continuously to people about things that aren't directly related to the point that's being addressed by spamming articles due to getting emotional.
You not understanding the link between an article about transidentity and transphobic rethoric might be a problem that has more to do with you rather than me

:wellwell:

When myself & @Uncle Van attempted to explain to you the usage of prejudice
Badly *


you tried to counter by posting the definition from dictionary.com
Yes, just like what you are constantly doing.

The usage of this word is quite clear.


YOU STILL MISUSED IT AGAINST ME
Nop. You simply didn't accept the definition. Prejudice can be used IN USAGE (linguistic term mate, check it up that might help you) not only has an opinion but also to an action. Now, weither you accept this usage or not does not really matter.


.rather than calling you a moron, a complete idiot, or such things. I ignored your post and kept it moving, figuring there's no point in continuing a discussion where you as a non-English speaker clearly don't have an understanding of terminology
Again, learn about linguistic and usages mate.

This is not something you will learn in dictionnaries.

And yes, if you are spreading BS, no matter if you talk to me or not, I will come and counter your argumentation. That's how I work.

Which we went through again today with man-woman...to which I proceeded to ignore you again
Ignore me all you want mate. I'm not doing that for you.



Oh no, now you just displayed that you don't understand what the term identity means, where you attempt to counter the idea that identity is not just who the individual is socially but also biologically. By doing what? trying to change the definition of identity that'd fit your agenda
Do you not think that it is YOU who is actually CHANGING the definition of identity to fit YOUR reactionnary agenda ?

Trans are clear on the question : Their gender (social construct) is part of their identity.

WHO THE F. ARE YOU TO QUESTION THAT ?



Which seems to be a common theme here in your posts and those who run your agenda, then you revert back to "ohh but-t-t-t-t in french alallala".
No, the problem is you and your reactionnary friend who DON'T UNDERSTAND the scientificity and REALITIES of some concepts in the first place and try to change them to fit YOUR agenda

We, leftist, follow reality. We believe in science and in linguistic.

We do not fix the language or try to fix it in place because we KNOW that the language evolve, so we usually avoid using dictionnaries and stick to actual scientific description instead.

But you guys are moved by your idealism and you preconception of reality. And since science can't help you with that, you stick to dictionnaries who are mainly outdated and try to change the meaning of words in order to twist reality on your side.

Spoiler : Reality is not on your side.


Hell you didn't even understand that accepting the ideology/lifestyle of Islam is believing in Islam's ideologies.
Because its not.

It doesn't take Einstein to understand the difference in accepting the beliefs of others and their lifestyle (tolerance) the the act of believing in something (belief)

And yet.. it seems like you can't even understand that simple difference.

I will not shame you. Its just... very dissapointing.


Then you continuously misuse the word "rights"
?
This is new.

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So basically all of this was to tell me that you were mad because I don't use dictionnaries and when I do, the definition don't go your way or that I do not respect your point of view ?

If you really think that by attacking my english usage, you will find a way to create a pertinent critic about me... I think you are delulu.

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You then continue to display that you like imagining arguments to argue against, which multiple people have called you out on.
Because a lot of reactionnary here are trying to tell me that I'm wrong doesn't mean that I am. Again the nuance comes with the term "reactionnaries" ;) (and also confused liberals in some case)


and they're fine with Trans people having the same rights as them
You can be fine with Trans having the same right as you and STILL be transphobic mate.

Its not mutually exclusive.


you continuously push a label that doesn't fit them...
I RARELY call someone a transphobe.

Instead I'm always VERY CAREFUL to always say "stop using transphobic rethoric". Which is not the same thing.

But nuance and actual observation doesn't seems to be your strong suits.. like a lot of your pals here.

And no. I won't stop when I see actual transphobic rethoric. I've been fighting transphobia for years. I have discussed and learned about it around trans and activists on the subject.. people who KNOW what they are talking about when it comes to transphobia.

You don't seems to be in the best place to teach me what is transphobia or what is not. So... back Off.


Majority if not all the people here understand everything related to trans folks
No. The majority do not.

If people were really informed on the subject here, they would not spread transphobic rethoric.

:beckmoji:


what most are arguing against is the terminology, which you're trying to force them to agree to.
Arguing on the terminology is ALREADY showing a problem of understanding of the issue that is transphobia.

And no, some people here are not simply arguing against the terminology, but against trans people themselves.

You are new here, so you can't really understand the extent of transphobia on this thread, but to explain it to you shortly:

I've been fighting against transphobia here since the beginning of this thread. Quite literally and I know that people here are not simply arguing on terminology.


Yes people don't want to call those who aren't biological females, women...
Which is LITERALLY what TRANSPHOBIA IS.

:beckmoji::beckmoji:


that is a matter of defining what the term refers to
No, its a matter of NOT being a transphobic and reactionnary confused a**hole.

If calling someone a woman (because they identify as such) is a problem for you, the problem is not the language, the problem is you.


You bringing science into it and spamming links to articles, is by no means helping your points...
Again, I'm not only doing it for you guys, but for other people who might come as well.

And yes, it does help my point. The problem is that you don't understand... the point.


Why? Because the same terminology disagreement would exist between us and the individuals writing those articles.
Yes.. thus proving that your point of view is purely ideological and not at all related to any kind of reality.

Hence why its problematic in this context.

I reckon Transracial will be your next ideology to defend
Ow... this is usually something used by people to delegitimize transgenderism.

Again.. another example of people here being completely ignorant on what we are talking about.

Gender disphoria is an actual pathology. Transidentity is therefore something real that comes with REAL LIFE OPPRESSIONS.. Transracialism is not and based on racist stereotypes and a missunderstanding of social constructs.


Being Trans is not accepted in Islam (despite many people attempting to now change it to appease folks like yourself). You by trying to force those people to accepting being Trans, are infringing on their right to practice their religion and faith
If accepting human being is problematic to you because of your faith, then there is a problem.

I know a few muslim that perfectly accept trans people.

Being a good person by accepting trans people and being a believer are two things that are not mutually exclusives.

Which would make you Islamophobic by the logic you go around throwing "transphobic" with
Thing is..

I've seen absolutely Z.E.R.O muslims here being transphobic because of their faith.

And if they were, I would simply attack their argumentation and not their faith or beliefs. Which would not be islamophobic.


:kata:


But you'd probably want the billion+ Muslims to change their linguistics to accommodate the less than 1% transfolks, knowing how irrational it is.
Yeah, in absolute, I would like that, but those who are actually fighting trans people are not the muslim but reactionnary conservative who are not muslim at all. So those who I need to fight in priority are those reactionnary people.

People with different ideologies can co-exist and will continue to do so.
Indeed. There are a LOT of ideologies in leftism.

But some ideologies are not compatible with others.

If you can't accept people based on their identity, then you don't have a place in the discussion.


Anyhow this is my final post on the thread, yourself and others can freely reply to it.
In conclusion.. nothing much really to take from this thread.

Just like others.. this is mostly a rant because you don't understand the subject at all and don't understand why calling a woman a woman and not a man in the context of trans people is important.

I hope you will find a way to understand it.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Yeah, and I replied. I forgot to add the terms "transphobic/toxic ideas" talking about your ideals. :)



Yes it does.



Sharing a transphobic viewpoint is pushing transphobia on potential trans people who could come here.

A viewpoint is not just a viewpoint. When shared, it can be something hurtfull.



Nop. Simply replying to you

:sanmoji:

I don't need to manipulate language in order to make my points.



This sentence doesn't make sence.



Hm.. nop.

I think its you who don't understand those terms. I have a very precise and political knowledge of those terms mate



You not understanding the link between an article about transidentity and transphobic rethoric might be a problem that has more to do with you rather than me

:wellwell:


Badly *



Yes, just like what you are constantly doing.

The usage of this word is quite clear.



Nop. You simply didn't accept the definition. Prejudice can be used IN USAGE (linguistic term mate, check it up that might help you) not only has an opinion but also to an action. Now, weither you accept this usage or not does not really matter.



Again, learn about linguistic and usages mate.

This is not something you will learn in dictionnaries.

And yes, if you are spreading BS, no matter if you talk to me or not, I will come and counter your argumentation. That's how I work.


Ignore me all you want mate. I'm not doing that for you.




Do you not think that it is YOU who is actually CHANGING the definition of identity to fit YOUR reactionnary agenda ?

Trans are clear on the question : Their gender (social construct) is part of their identity.

WHO THE F. ARE YOU TO QUESTION THAT ?



No, the problem is you and your reactionnary friend who DON'T UNDERSTAND the scientificity and REALITIES of some concepts in the first place and try to change them to fit YOUR agenda

We, leftist, follow reality. We believe in science and in linguistic.

We do not fix the language or try to fix it in place because we KNOW that the language evolve, so we usually avoid using dictionnaries and stick to actual scientific description instead.

But you guys are moved by your idealism and you preconception of reality. And since science can't help you with that, you stick to dictionnaries who are mainly outdated and try to change the meaning of words in order to twist reality on your side.

Spoiler : Reality is not on your side.


Because its not.

It doesn't take Einstein to understand the difference in accepting the beliefs of others and their lifestyle (tolerance) the the act of believing in something (belief)

And yet.. it seems like you can't even understand that simple difference.

I will not shame you. Its just... very dissapointing.



?
This is new.

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So basically all of this was to tell me that you were mad because I don't use dictionnaries and when I do, the definition don't go your way or that I do not respect your point of view ?

If you really think that by attacking my english usage, you will find a way to create a pertinent critic about me... I think you are delulu.

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Because a lot of reactionnary here are trying to tell me that I'm wrong doesn't mean that I am. Again the nuance comes with the term "reactionnaries" ;) (and also confused liberals in some case)



You can be fine with Trans having the same right as you and STILL be transphobic mate.

Its not mutually exclusive.



I RARELY call someone a transphobe.

Instead I'm always VERY CAREFUL to always say "stop using transphobic rethoric". Which is not the same thing.

But nuance and actual observation doesn't seems to be your strong suits.. like a lot of your pals here.

And no. I won't stop when I see actual transphobic rethoric. I've been fighting transphobia for years. I have discussed and learned about it around trans and activists on the subject.. people who KNOW what they are talking about when it comes to transphobia.

You don't seems to be in the best place to teach me what is transphobia or what is not. So... back Off.



No. The majority do not.

If people were really informed on the subject here, they would not spread transphobic rethoric.

:beckmoji:



Arguing on the terminology is ALREADY showing a problem of understanding of the issue that is transphobia.

And no, some people here are not simply arguing against the terminology, but against trans people themselves.

You are new here, so you can't really understand the extent of transphobia on this thread, but to explain it to you shortly:

I've been fighting against transphobia here since the beginning of this thread. Quite literally and I know that people here are not simply arguing on terminology.



Which is LITERALLY what TRANSPHOBIA IS.

:beckmoji::beckmoji:



No, its a matter of NOT being a transphobic and reactionnary confused a**hole.

If calling someone a woman (because they identify as such) is a problem for you, the problem is not the language, the problem is you.



Again, I'm not only doing it for you guys, but for other people who might come as well.

And yes, it does help my point. The problem is that you don't understand... the point.



Yes.. thus proving that your point of view is purely ideological and not at all related to any kind of reality.

Hence why its problematic in this context.




Ow... this is usually something used by people to delegitimize transgenderism.

Again.. another example of people here being completely ignorant on what we are talking about.

Gender disphoria is an actual pathology. Transidentity is therefore something real that comes with REAL LIFE OPPRESSIONS.. Transracialism is not and based on racist stereotypes and a missunderstanding of social constructs.



If accepting human being is problematic to you because of your faith, then there is a problem.

I know a few muslim that perfectly accept trans people.

Being a good person by accepting trans people and being a believer are two things that are not mutually exclusives.



Thing is..

I've seen absolutely Z.E.R.O muslims here being transphobic because of their faith.

And if they were, I would simply attack their argumentation and not their faith or beliefs. Which would not be islamophobic.


:kata:



Yeah, in absolute, I would like that, but those who are actually fighting trans people are not the muslim but reactionnary conservative who are not muslim at all. So those who I need to fight in priority are those reactionnary people.


Indeed. There are a LOT of ideologies in leftism.

But some ideologies are not compatible with others.

If you can't accept people based on their identity, then you don't have a place in the discussion.



In conclusion.. nothing much really to take from this thread.

Just like others.. this is mostly a rant because you don't understand the subject at all and don't understand why calling a woman a woman and not a man in the context of trans people is important.

I hope you will find a way to understand it.
:willight:
 
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