Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

Iindeed, english is blury on this part for example.

it really isnt though, thats why everyone except for you has man and woman defined by male and female respectively.
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"In order to do the roles men do, you want to be a man. In order to do the roles women do, you want to be a woman". So you're limiting the roles into two categories to define the "man/woman" gender.

yeah which is weird, because some people just dont care about man/woman shit. they are just individuals who happen to be either of the sexes.

Imo, ones true self should be how you're born. If you cannot embrace your true self, you're not accepting your identity. Rather you're attempting to change your identity. Your identity being not only your role in culture, but your very biological make up itself.

eeh, people change their physical appearance in many ways. what about piercings, tattoos, general plastic surgery?

im fine if people want to change their appearance, because ones self shouldnt be limited to that anyway?!. . .

 

[Xione]

eeh, people change their physical appearance in many ways. what about piercings, tattoos, general plastic surgery?

im fine if people want to change their appearance, because ones self shouldnt be limited to that anyway?!. . .

I mean I have 0 issues with people doing plastic surgery, hormonal therapy, etc. Your body and your choice to alter it how you want, but I would never advocate for those two. Though I don't think piercings/tattoos are in anyway comparable to actual modifications of hormones and surgery. Hence you don't see me going around making arguments based on "accepting ones identity". Because identities always change. But my point is your identity isn't limited to 1 thing, but totality of who you are.

 

[Yoho]

I have decided I will run in 2028 and become the first woman president.

Bet bet President's do all the work I'll be your VP

 

[Logiko]

Then we're not accepting of people as transwomen or transmen, aka men and women who've decided to transfer/change their gender/sex.

Trans people do not "decide" to change or transfert their gender, it simply their identity.

Also, women leader doesn't negate the presence of patriarchy in pretty much all societies.

I think the more interesting thing to me about the whole movement is in its essence it is truly a hypocritical stance.

I think you completely missunderstand the issue in reality. That's not a problem of your perception, its you only being uneducated (like many people here) on the subject.

You'd rather not help the person accept the body they were born with and help them be comfortable in that body, empower them to be feminine or masculine in their lifestyles while embracing their body... instead you'd advocate for changing ones body constitution through procedures that could be extremely harmful.

It's not that simple. There is something called gender disphoria, and it does not disappear just through the force of your will.

Most procedure are not harmfull and the VAST majority of trans people are happy to transition.

Educate yourself on the subject.

Imo, ones true self should be how you're born.

No, one true self is your identity, its your life, your experience, your feeling, your memory. Etc.

Stop trying to put your ideals on people.

If you cannot embrace your true self, you're not accepting your identity.

Rather you're attempting to change your identity.

Trans HAVE an identity, they just want their body to align with said identity and society to accept as they are maening the opposite gender assignate and birth.

In other words, instead of trying to let them be who they are here, you are trying to format them into something they are not.

So Again,, educate yourself.

it really isnt though, thats why everyone except for you has man and woman defined by male and female respectively.

See, you just proved it. A lot of people in english lack the knowledge to make the distinction.

Again, follow science, not made up dictionnaries.

 

[Xione]

Stop trying to put your ideals on people.

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I ignored your post cause I disagreed with what you stated. I then reply to another user who replied to me, yet you still continue to ramble, and I stress the word ramble on about your ideals.

Yet are claiming I am putting my ideals on people. When you want people in here to forsake their ideals to conform to you and those you're defending.

Hypocrisy has limits.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Watch this

 

[Logiko]

I ignored your post cause I disagreed with what you stated. I then reply to another user who replied to me, yet you still continue to ramble, and I stress the word ramble on about your ideals.

If you think that I will let transphobic rethoric pass just because its not meant for me, you are underestimating my stubborness.

Yet are claiming I am putting my ideals on people. When you want people in here to forsake their ideals to conform to you and those you're defending.

Yes.

I should have added the word "toxic/transphobic" in front of ideal. You would have understood why my ideals have not the same value as yours in this context





Bon....



I have explained the reality of Trans people in different methods and pedagogy SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD.

I have shared scientific paper to make people understand the subject ALL OVER THIS THREAD.

I have shared testimonies of trans people and militant who work with trans people in difficulties CONSTANTLY

I have demonstrated the oppression of Trans people at EVERY STEP OF THIS THREAD.

By now, every one with good intentions should have been able to understand.

So taking that into account, I'm now lowering the bar.

I will now start to consider any type of transphobic rethoric or rethoric meant to question the legitimacy of trans people or their identity as part of an ideological and REACTIONNARY push to deny some rights to those people.

 

[Xione]

If you think that I will let transphobic rethoric pass just because its not meant for me, you are underestimating my stubborness.



Yes.

I should have added the word "toxic/transphobic" in front of ideal. You would have understood why my ideals have not the



Bon....



I have explained the reality of Trans people in different methods and pedagogy SINCE THE BEGINNING.

I have shared scientific paper to make people understand the subject ALL OVER THE PLACE ON THIS THREAD.

I have shared testimonies of trans people and militant who work with trans people in difficulties at least CONSTANTLY

I have demonstrated the oppression of Trans people at EVERY STEP OF THIS THREAD.

By now, every one with good intentions should have been able to understand.

So taking that into account, I'm now lowering the bar.

I will now start to consider any type of transphobic rethoric or rethoric meant to question the legitimacy of trans people or their identity as part of an ideological and REACTIONNARY push to deny some rights to those people.

That is quite the rambling to just admit you're a hypocrite.

 

[Zemmi]

Bet bet President's do all the work I'll be your VP

Deal. Our Motto: Make America Sane again

 

[Yoho]

Deal. Our Motto: Make America Sane again

perfect

 

[Logiko]

That is quite the rambling to just admit you're a hypocrite.

Hypocrite on what exactly ?

 

[Xione]

Hypocrite on what exactly ?

It's pretty clear what I called you a hypocrite on. There is absolutely no way your English comprehension is that low Logiko.

 

[Logiko]

It's pretty clear what I called you a hypocrite on. There is absolutely no way your English comprehension is that low Logiko.

The only thing that is pretty clear is how badly you understand trans issues. Aside from that, no, I don't really understand what you are talking about mate.

 

[Xione]

I don't really understand what you are talking about.

Seems to be an issue a good amount of the times you've argued against myself and other people, despite doing direct quotes. Atleast this time you've admit it instead of rambling on to something else.

 

[Logiko]

Seems to be an issue a good amount of the times you've argued against myself and other people, despite doing direct quotes. Atleast this time you've admit it instead of rambling on to something else.

So, what is the hypocrisy ?

 

[Xione]

So, what is the hypocrisy ?

Read the post in which I initially mentioned your hypocrisy in and see what you come up with for what your hypocrisy is.

 

[Logiko]

Yet are claiming I am putting my ideals on people. When you want people in here to forsake their ideals to conform to you and those you're defending.

This ?

I replied already.

Your transphobic rethoric here does not have the same value as mine. Hence why I'm telling you to stop telling BS while explaining stuff you should understand.

You are imagining that my words about the subject are as valuable as yours. Its not the case.

So there is no hypocrisy here. I'm very clear with you.

 

[NAMELESS]

I have decided I will run in 2028 and become the first woman president.

I would illegally immigrate to America to vote for you. Gotta ask Toby how to do it though...

 

[Logiko]

Wait.. actually I'm not sure if I reported Ravager or not. I can't remember.

I just remembered something : The guy posted something so problematic that I choosed not to reply and let him marinate in his juice.

Can't remember what it was tho. @Uncle Van do you?

 

[Reborn]

Just reading this makes me go crazy lol

My thoughts and prayers are with those people who are actually surrounded by this insanity


@RayanOO I will no longer troll you - now I understand why are you so crazy